Taint_Hammer
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Any idea how it happened?
Another 5th gen flipped on Black Bear Pass...
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guitarsail
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Yes the driver clearly can’t drive. After doing this section my wife asked “wait was that it?” It’s honestly not a problem spot at all unless you have no experience
Been through that area before. Not a very tough area. If I had to guess (and it would be just that), I would say they tried to navigate a downward stair by coming at a sharp angle instead of letting both front wheels roll off it.
Its the type of thing that an IFS suspension does not do well, and skid plates are your friend
Its the type of thing that an IFS suspension does not do well, and skid plates are your friend
guitarsail
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Looking at where he landed he went WAAY to the right up the right side. If he was on the proper line he would have been in the creek had he flipped. Where he landed he Had to have been way farther to the right and up that wall.
Taint_Hammer
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Thanks! Headed there with a group over Labor Day
cmilviper
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I agree, He probably got the passenger side, front tire going up the wall just enough, trying to stay away from the ledge on the other side.....
I had two older guys in a Jeep Wrangler, following me down last year in this same section.... I looked in the rear mirror, and they were driving up the rock wall, as their front tire got a good 1-2 feet up the wall before they realized it....Luckily they stopped, before they flipped the rig.
This particular section isn't really tippy, at all......
Now the video posted on the first page, of the FJ flipping... that particular section can be tippy if you take the wrong line.
guitarsail
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Ha, it’s definitely not too wide. This looks like terrible driving.
RedRunner_87
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Yup. We took a completely stock 3rd Gen Tacoma down it. We didn't have any issues, but I spotted while my buddy drove. Definitely helps if you are unsure to have some spot and make sure you are heading down the right line.
IMG_3622 by redrunner87, on Flickr
IMG_3619 by redrunner87, on Flickr
MAST4R
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That's what I thought as well. It has happened even to Wranglers on BB.
I wonder how many other trails in the area the driver had done prior to BB.
And/or any off-camber/shelf/tilted trail driving.
I am really worried about the future of that trail given the combination of popularity and accidents.
Do you know that it is possible to legally drive it uphill? But during special events only.
RedRunner_87
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It is a Two Way Road till you get closer to the switchbacks, then it becomes a One Way Road. I believe there are "Special Events" where you can drive up it. But I am not 100% sure about that.
MAST4R
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Yes, that's what I was referring to. They used to happen annually, not sure if they still do them.
guitarsail
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They do indeed, during FJ summit. Not that it makes a difference
slide531
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Search for Justin King on YouTube. He's posted a bunch of tricky recovery videos.
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redneckj
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So, your saying the trail that the 4runner flipped over on is a state road or Highway? Like it is patrolled by the State patrol, sheriff or local police department. If there is a problem on this state Highway/road the EMT and fire department can respond? Please explain
I have never seen Black Bear Pass in particular patrolled by any local or state law enforcement up top (that doesn't meant that they don't) but I have certainly seen NFS Rangers up there and on all of the other passes on the Alpine Loop. All of the passes in that part of Colorado can be traversed by bone stock 4x4's except for maybe PoughKeepsie Gulch. Others have noted in the past that it is treated as a road (not a trail) and therefor in the past has been covered by insurance companies in similar scenarios, of course YMMV. I know I called and checked with my insurance companies for both my 4x4 vehicle and my dirt bike both times I have gone and they both said that I would be covered in the event of a similar incident.
This isn't a closed park off-road system, it requires a tagged and registered over the road vehicle or a stickered OHV to traverse it legally and there is no cost to a user other than the OHV sticker for off-highway vehicles (non-plated dirt bikes and SxS's). I find it hard to believe that you would be denied coverage under those circumstances unless otherwise outlined within your particular policy. Of course there is always an exception to the rule.
sn_85
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That is not why it flipped. This trail has been done by full-size trucks, Ford Raptors, and 3500 trucks. That 4Runner was top heavy with an RTT and some jerry cans. Driver was probably inexperienced as well. I mean he's still running the stock oval nerf bars. Can't imagine he's been in too many off-camber situations if he still has those. But hey an RTT looks good up top.
MAST4R
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Lol, she's going to stick around until I can be tempted into something else. For the time being she's safe and I have already started ordering more parts for her this week.
TNorman
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YIKES!! FunTreks rates that pass as difficult. To my beginner abilities and stock 4wd truck. It's not even on my radar yet.. FWIW, runners still look cool upside down.. It's better than on fire I guess, but then again, fire is kinda cool too... Ok, now I'm just trying to make light of a bad situation.. Sorry dood in the upside down truck. If I was there I'd help however I could. Maybe a chinook? charlie baker 1-9er we've got a 4 Richard on it's 12 o'clock. roger that charlie baker, we'll send the dancers thumping on your 20 asap. <<<WTF was that?? :beer:
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