Another 5th gen flipped on Black Bear Pass...
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Spanky4R
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Slow down, pay attn & keep the IFS lined up right. He was top heavy, moving too fast, pass front riding up the wall with driver front dropping down, & mixed road conditions.
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Jetboy
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FWIW, comprehensive insurance is for the bank, not the owner. It practically always covers the damage regardless of where or why. Usually only things like war or terrorism are excluded. Lenders want security. And they lobby well. So in most states insurance law requires very expansive coverage for the comprehensive policy. Insurance companies don't stay up at night worrying about occasional $40k claims. It's the hurricane with $500,000,000 worth of claims they worry about.
Bummer about the flop. Very lucky he didn't go off the edge.
Bummer about the flop. Very lucky he didn't go off the edge.
Red Dog Leader
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If I recall that spot I told my passenger to make sure I was close to the wall but not on it.
The staircase is slick even when dry due to loose rock. Getting too high (Colorado), being top heavy, speed, and wheeling alone look like they were all factors in this roll. Too many negatives that could have been avoided. There are always folks willing to wheel Black Bear...make a friend and gain a spotter.
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Xtremluck
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Not saying this would have saved the driver in this case but as mentioned above avoid stabbing your brakes when things get tippy. Vehicles don’t like abrupt inputs (Brakes, throttle, steering inputs etc). This applies to everything from racetrack driving to wheeling a rig off-road. Brake modulation is key.
If you feel the rig tipping really badly turn into the lean and if it’s really severe give it some gas. Seen plenty of saves that way.
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jayhat
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One of the main guys to coordinated the recovery said he is fairly sure the rack and tent stopped it from rolling/sliding any more and also dampened it a little bit.
More pics and description : GXOR - GX OffRoad Public Group | Facebook
jayhat
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As someone states later on, insurance speak for "off road" is literally over ground with no dirt road etc. Riding around on dirt roads is not off road. They will most assuredly cover something like this on any kind of dirt road.
jayhat
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They drilled some 1" bolts into the rock and used cables and come alongs.
More pics and description : GXOR - GX OffRoad Public Group | Facebook
jayhat
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drilled into the rock with a hammer drill, 1" bolts, come alongs and cables to flip. Brake function check, fixed one off bead tire, and drove it down the mountain.
More pics and description : GXOR - GX OffRoad Public Group | Facebook
Bumbo
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I saw that statement and do agree with what they said.
I only mentioned it because ever since adding a roof rack, I have noticed the weight up top. It certainly takes away from some stability when pushing the capabilities of the truck, or even maneuvering on the freeway at speed.
Maybe it was a contributing factor, maybe it wasn’t. Great that it stopped it from rolling further, but if it helped contribute to the roll in the first place, then the weight and it’s placement is still a valid concern.
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CutthroatSlam
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Damn, those tires look sweet!
YotaMD
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Wow, I've been seeing this story on another forum, but hadn't seen the GXOR post with all the added info. Excellent read. I thought the other photos were embellishing how close he was to the cliff - these help show he really was close to a much larger fall.
I ran Black Bear a few years back during Hundreds in the Hills and hope to run it again. Incredible views, but not without risk. Glad this guy made it out ok and glad the rig made it out under its own power!
Toyota should make a commercial with this, the Top Gear Hilux and the California fires rescue truck.
I ran Black Bear a few years back during Hundreds in the Hills and hope to run it again. Incredible views, but not without risk. Glad this guy made it out ok and glad the rig made it out under its own power!
Toyota should make a commercial with this, the Top Gear Hilux and the California fires rescue truck.
jaemz
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Blu42
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While I am certainly no expert here, I would probably guess that in any given situation these crews are going to choose the safest most stable recovery option available to them. Looking at the photos it's possible they were concerned about the vehicle shifting and sliding over the edge further. In this instance they had a stable surface to anchor to and the tools to do it.
These guys aren't some random trail bros. It's a recovery crew. There is a lot at stake when taking easier options. Not to mention if they take their time they can probably minimize additional damage to the vehicle caused by the recovery effort.
sn_85
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Do you do off-road recovery for a living? Have you ever been on Black Bear Pass? It's a single shelf road with high cliffs on either side. There is no way to position another car to get that type of leverage and angle to flip the car over in a safe way. But I guess you're the expert.
dont think so. they had almost no space.
This is a FANTASTIC picture for showing how lucky that guy got and also how difficult of a recovery that would be
Jetboy
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I think this is pretty spot on. I've been along for a few recoveries that were off road and complex. It's a lot different when you're being paid to recover someone else's vehicle than when you're with your buddies and someone gets stuck. One time the jeep wasn't even stuck. It was just a lady who was too scared to drive it back down the trail, so she called for a recovery and the guy I was with who owns the shop just drove it back to the road and that was it. Generally there's no rush. And safety is paramount. The recovery company is now taking a lot of liability for additional damage. So solid anchor points are set and you take your time and do everything slowly and safely.
This is pretty unusual idea to go drill bolts into the rock in most places, but it's a solution that is probably common for that particular area because of the lack of any alternatives. Probably developed locally as an offshoot of the mining history there and the folks who do it most often are familiar with the technique. I really can't think of a better way you could do this safely on that road. The only other alternative I can really think of would be to take a skidder or similar vehicle up there that has enough weight that it could safely pull up the 4Runner by virtue of just being so much bigger and heavier.
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