2021nightshade4x4
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Something without auto start/stop, displacement on demand, a CVT, or traction control! LOL
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Anyone on fence between 5th gen 22’ or wait for potential madness by Toyota for 2023
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Something without auto start/stop, displacement on demand, a CVT, or traction control! LOL
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2021nightshade4x4
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Look at this chart, 2009 (-0.4%) was the only deflationary year we have had since 1955. (Also -0.4%). This year, Apr/May/Jun showed 4.2%/5.0%/5.4% rates. If this continues through the end of the year, do you realize how big of an event would be required to “undo” a 5% or 6% inflationary year? With its compounding nature, inflation never truly or fully gets undone (deflation never lasts more than a flash in the pan).
Hint: anyone pissed that their job gives a flat 3% raise each year won’t be concerned about that 3% losing ground, they’ll be out of a job entirely.
Current US Inflation Rates: 2000-2021 | US Inflation Calculator
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Insults guy that owns 4Runner bc he is honest about the platforms inherent weaknesses.*cool*
I have a 16 limited and have it set up with 15-20k of extras. Wheeled a lot in Colorado and Utah. You can be in a diesel wrangler rubicon with money to spend, or a trx or raptor for a few dollars more. All of those trucks I’d vastly prefer to my truck bc of engines and the significantly less amount of work to make them basically bulletproof.
Isaac(lawndart) moved from his trd pro to a raptor and was largely honest about the raptor being superior across the board. He went from a highly modded pro to a lightly modded raptor bc it doesn’t need much done to it from the factory. Mike glover from fieldcraft survival swapped out of a 4Runner to a 2500 ram bc of payload capacity issues. I don’t think he hates Toyota’s, but he’s honest about it’s limitations.
I like my 4Runner, it’s a good jack of all trades vehicle and it fits many needs. But, it has some pretty large inherent weaknesses as well. Engine is anemic in 2021. Interior is meh. 1/4 tons are inherently limited in what you can do with them from the weight standpoint. Be honest about 4runners, they are very solid suvs, not perfect.
This exactly. Add in the fed having no appetite for any sort of normal free market action and things get very weird.
There’s a lot less things and a lot more money. This isn’t rocket science.
Edit: just read the dems think continuing on the spend and inflate path will payoff at the same time they are downgrading gdp expectations. Fade Paul krugman and sleepy joe and buy the car. Inflation is about to be completely out of hand.
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CutthroatSlam
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I am not a fan of Krugman. He is more of a political activist than an economist. I do believe that he is a supporter of Modern Monetarist Theory which advocates printing currency as a solution for everything.
I do not believe that inflation will run out of control. It is only occurring in select areas of disruption in the face of pent up demand. We also still have the demographic headwind of retiring baby boomers. Retirees normally spend less. Ironically, it was a lot of retiring boomers who chased up home prices outside of urban areas.
We'll see on the claims of permanent inflation, but I'm not convinced. I think this herd mentality will run out of steam once they get back to their Barista jobs at Starbucks.
CutthroatSlam
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Goldman cutting their GDP forecast because of consumer lack of demand for services. More importantly, consumer demand for goods not sustainable. Just like the rush to hoard toilet paper, this herd demand for new and used cars will subside.
Goldman Sachs cuts U.S. economic growth forecast over weaker spending on services
Goldman Sachs cuts U.S. economic growth forecast over weaker spending on services
I'm getting a '22 as I want BSM and RCTA.
I really have no interest in the 6th Gen and the chance it'll be a small turbo'ed engine and not made in Japan.
Paying MSRP is fine with me as the most you ever seen to get off of a 4Rumner is 3-4% and waiting 6+ months just to try to save $1K just isn't worth it to me.
I really have no interest in the 6th Gen and the chance it'll be a small turbo'ed engine and not made in Japan.
Paying MSRP is fine with me as the most you ever seen to get off of a 4Rumner is 3-4% and waiting 6+ months just to try to save $1K just isn't worth it to me.
They can add whatever they want to it but a Turbo 4-cylinder means that I won't be a buyer of it. I have no desire for a turbo on a daily driver when some of my drives may be less than 2 miles each way in the winter.
nimby
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The earliest the 6th gen will come is Spring 2024. It's tentatively on the schedule at the Guanajuato Plant to start building Q1 of 2024. That's if the hybrid development goes as planned (they're planning on allowing the driver to switch between electric and ICE power). The other motor option will be a I4 turbo.
Of course this is all speculation............but plan accordingly.
Of course this is all speculation............but plan accordingly.
MAST4R
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So that would truly be a radically new vehicle which should mean 5th gen prices remain high for a long time to come.
I assume the idea would be to at least double the size of that plant? A quick google search shows it is far too small at present.
I don't envy the buyers of year 1 production with so many changes, Toyota badge or not.
bijanayvazi
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I would definitely advise waiting and buying new when the 22's hit the lot. You'll be paying the same, if not less than what used market is. Remember, markets inflated 48%. They probably won't change anything in 2023 so might as well go for 2022.
AgentKooper
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I ordered a 2021 Pro in October 2020, when it still looked like they might introduce the 6th gen for the 2022 model year. I was considering a Bronco as well, but abandoned that idea fairly quickly when it became apparent that the wait would be long and indefinite.
Ultimately my thinking was that I knew I loved the 2021 Pro and that I would love it regardless of what the 6th gen (or the Bronco) turns out to be. If the 6th gen is awesome, I can always sell the 2021. If the 6th gen sucks, then I already made the right choice, and I'll drive what I've got for the next 250,000 miles.
So I say if you can find a 2021 at MSRP, go for it. If you have to wait until 2022, at least you'll get a couple extra goodies -- blind spot monitoring and more cameras. But life is short, so if you know you like current model and have the funds, get it and start enjoying it. The future will take care of itself.
Ultimately my thinking was that I knew I loved the 2021 Pro and that I would love it regardless of what the 6th gen (or the Bronco) turns out to be. If the 6th gen is awesome, I can always sell the 2021. If the 6th gen sucks, then I already made the right choice, and I'll drive what I've got for the next 250,000 miles.
So I say if you can find a 2021 at MSRP, go for it. If you have to wait until 2022, at least you'll get a couple extra goodies -- blind spot monitoring and more cameras. But life is short, so if you know you like current model and have the funds, get it and start enjoying it. The future will take care of itself.
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nimby
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It sounds like they have room for expansion according to this article.
Overview of Toyota’s Manufacturing Plant in Guanajuato, Mexico
Gone4Wheeling
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I too am wanting to get a new 4Runner. Initially convinced myself I wanted a full size 4 door Bronco, but would not buy a vehicle I can't see and touch before committing to serious money plus there is a serious waiting issue for one. Finally decided to go for a 4Runner then started the painful mind game of buy a 2021 or see what comes out in a couple months for a 2022. I look online everyday for any confirmation on what the 2022 4Runner will be but there's little to no real news coming out which leads me to believe not much is going to change for 2022. Plus if the 6th gen is a turbo engine.....I would prefer not, that's the one thing I had an issue with on the idea of a Bronco. Turbo's are great but adds a lot of complication and potential issues that I don't need if I can avoid - keep it simple as possible.
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While pondering when to buy, I have been figuring what trim to by and had narrowed it down to a TRD Off-Road or a Limited. The Limited has the lockable Torsen limited slip transfer case and ATRAC. The lockable Torsen limited slip transfer case is better in off-road turns when you are running 4WD and traction happens to be good (no drive line binding) and if the ATRAC works very effective, no need for locking rear differential otherwise can add a rear locker later. Not sure I need or want the Crawl Control and Multi-Terrain Select missing from the Limited compared to the TRD Off-Road.
Bottom line is I think I am going with a 2021 Limited as soon as I can find one locally.
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While pondering when to buy, I have been figuring what trim to by and had narrowed it down to a TRD Off-Road or a Limited. The Limited has the lockable Torsen limited slip transfer case and ATRAC. The lockable Torsen limited slip transfer case is better in off-road turns when you are running 4WD and traction happens to be good (no drive line binding) and if the ATRAC works very effective, no need for locking rear differential otherwise can add a rear locker later. Not sure I need or want the Crawl Control and Multi-Terrain Select missing from the Limited compared to the TRD Off-Road.
Bottom line is I think I am going with a 2021 Limited as soon as I can find one locally.
Mark Linkous
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Between all the myriad reports, I do think the writing is on the wall in terms of the 6th gen being built in Mexico or the US. Simply, with 4Runners only being sold in only a handful of countries outside the US/Canada, the logic for building them in North America is quite strong.
While many of us might appreciate greatly the 4R being made in Japan (heck most of us go so far as to refer to Aichi), doubt that many of the 100,000 plus buyers will care.
In terms of the 2022’s, adding BSM/RCTA does get the model up to currentish safety features and is long overdue. No doubt when the hybridized is announced, beyond whatever “final edition” hooey, the 2022’s will be sought after for BSM. That said, adding CarPlay certainly makes a bigger difference day to day in my experience.
While many of us might appreciate greatly the 4R being made in Japan (heck most of us go so far as to refer to Aichi), doubt that many of the 100,000 plus buyers will care.
In terms of the 2022’s, adding BSM/RCTA does get the model up to currentish safety features and is long overdue. No doubt when the hybridized is announced, beyond whatever “final edition” hooey, the 2022’s will be sought after for BSM. That said, adding CarPlay certainly makes a bigger difference day to day in my experience.
MAST4R
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Well, the Limited has worse traction, lower hanging plastics, and you would paying more for a street-oriented suspension that you would probably want to replace anyway. Installing rock sliders will likely require dealing with the rocker panels as well and you would want 17" wheels.
A-trac is ok, but I never use it because I really like MTS. There is a big difference between the different regimes as opposed to one size fits all with a-trac. Adding a rear locker is not exactly a minor mod as well.
Crawl control: I use it for difficult donwhill spots. It is phenomenal for that or anything else you want to crawl precisely; the chip has no wet foot to slip, etc, etc
. I have never tried it uphill because I don't trust it for that as the computer "cannot see" what is ahead and give it a little gas ahead of time. So I'd say crawl control is a cool luxury, but MTS is key in my use.
All in all, it is not at all cheap to bring a Limited to the OR level and the latter would still have bonus features.
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Magnetic
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Well, the Limited has worse traction, lower hanging plastics,
and you would paying more for a street-oriented suspension that you would probably want to replace anyway.
Installing rock sliders will likely require dealing with the rocker panels as well and you would want 17" wheels.
A-trac is ok, but I never use it because I really like MTS. There is a big difference between the different regimes as opposed to one size fits all with a-trac. Adding a rear locker is not exactly a minor mod as well.
Crawl control: I use it for difficult donwhill spots. It is phenomenal for that or anything else you want to crawl precisely; the chip has no wet foot to slip, etc, etc
So I'd say crawl control is a cool luxury, but MTS is key in my use.
All in all, it is not at all cheap to bring a Limited to the OR level and the latter would still have bonus features.
We looked hard at the limited, because of all of the interior upgrades compared to the ORP.
But for off-road the limited is, well, limited by the stock wheels, the low hanging plastic and fairings.
By the time we dumped the silly 20" rims and removed the low hanging plastic, it made no financial sense for us.
If I was to primarily use it on road in low traction circumstances, like snow or ice, the limited would have won out...
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