Anyone thinking of picking up a Gladiator?

It’ll be capable, but it’s still a Jeep. Just google Jeep reliability and Toyota/4Runner reliability. I like Jeeps, but their is a reason I went Toyota—superior reliability and build quality.

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Funny for me cuz I went to a 4runner to get a break from fixing my jeeps and now I am going back to jeeps cuz I am fixing this 4runner more than them.


As for the Gladiatoe, nope. I could never pay that much for any vehicle. It is ridiculous. I bought a brand new Dakota back when it first came out and it was $18k.

$30k+ is insane for something I would wheel. I rather buy a used TJ and a trailer.
 
i'm seriously considering one, it looks better than i expected

i'd get the rubicon, i think it's priced okay.

the only thing stopping me so far is build quality, the idea that i would need to do a prepurchase inspection and check weld quality on a $40K+ vehicle is a pill too big for me to swallow
 
Thought long and hard about it and several things bug me

-too long, would buy a 2-door in a heartbeat
-jeep has had frame weld issues with this generation of Wranglers
-FCA's future is uncertain at best
-I'm getting to the age where a drafty, leaky, SFA vehicle with scary highway manners is no longer fun
-price is nuts
 
Thought long and hard about it and several things bug me

-too long, would buy a 2-door in a heartbeat
-jeep has had frame weld issues with this generation of Wranglers
-FCA's future is uncertain at best
-I'm getting to the age where a drafty, leaky, SFA vehicle with scary highway manners is no longer fun
-price is nuts

Guess I have been in that age, mentally anyway, for a while.

I agree. Too much money for what it really is. On the face of it, the Gladiator is so much better than a Tacoma, but a closer look shows a TRD Tacoma to be a much better value.

I don't think the Gladiator's size will allow its Rubicon trim to really outdo a 4R or a Tacoma offroad, except in some very specific scenarios. Once they are old enough to have the bed chopped etc, that's another story. But will they last that long?

That said, the Gladiator is so overdone that it should sell exceptionally well, in its home market, anyway.
 
Guess I have been in that age, mentally anyway, for a while.

I agree. Too much money for what it really is. On the face of it, the Gladiator is so much better than a Tacoma, but a closer look shows a TRD Tacoma to be a much better value.

I don't think the Gladiator's size will allow its Rubicon trim to really outdo a 4R or a Tacoma offroad, except in some very specific scenarios. Once they are old enough to have the bed chopped etc, that's another story. But will they last that long?

That said, the Gladiator is so overdone that it should sell exceptionally well, in its home market, anyway.

Chopping the bed would get you back to the JLU...

Although the DK look has been rocked by LCs and LRs across the world. Land-Cruiser-Pick-up-Double-Cab-21-1030x687.jpg
 

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I also believe it is too long as someone else mentioned. I think they should offer a two-door model, not everybody wants four doors on a pickup.
 
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Guess I have been in that age, mentally anyway, for a while.

I agree. Too much money for what it really is. On the face of it, the Gladiator is so much better than a Tacoma, but a closer look shows a TRD Tacoma to be a much better value.

I don't think the Gladiator's size will allow its Rubicon trim to really outdo a 4R or a Tacoma offroad, except in some very specific scenarios. Once they are old enough to have the bed chopped etc, that's another story. But will they last that long?

That said, the Gladiator is so overdone that it should sell exceptionally well, in its home market, anyway.

I believe the RubiGlad is more capable than either Tacoma or 4Runner due to it's flexible solid axle suspension, locking diffs, disconnecting sway bar, and aggressive 33" tires. The fact that they designed it to fit 35's stock (even the spare) is pretty much what most are gonna run and that increases the clearance.

I also agree it is too expensive. I remember buying my first TJ in 2001 for $13k. These prices nowadays are silly.
 
I believe the RubiGlad is more capable than either Tacoma or 4Runner due to it's flexible solid axle suspension, locking diffs, disconnecting sway bar, and aggressive 33" tires. The fact that they designed it to fit 35's stock (even the spare) is pretty much what most are gonna run and that increases the clearance.

I also agree it is too expensive. I remember buying my first TJ in 2001 for $13k. These prices nowadays are silly.

I miss the days you could get a 2-door MT Jeep for about 20k and then "splurge" a grand on AC, lol.
 
I believe the RubiGlad is more capable than either Tacoma or 4Runner due to it's flexible solid axle suspension, locking diffs, disconnecting sway bar, and aggressive 33" tires. The fact that they designed it to fit 35's stock (even the spare) is pretty much what most are gonna run and that increases the clearance.

I also agree it is too expensive. I remember buying my first TJ in 2001 for $13k. These prices nowadays are silly.

Yes, I agree, there is no question that it is more capable in absolute terms and there may be parts of the country where it matters. It is also true that there are offroad scenarios where bigger is better, such as big open spaces and certain types of ledges and hills where the longer wheelbase adds stability.

However, I am questioning the practical use for that capability from the perspective of trails in states like Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Montana, and probably California as well.

Size would be a big issue on most of the harder trails in those states.

In addition, there is a difference between looks and reality. Looks are deceptive because size also requires more capability. So a TJ with minor mods can still run circles around big flashy pickups in the realities of the Southwest (yeah, the TJ won't cut it in Australia, that's for sure!).

A long wheelbase requires a lot of clearance to offset it hence the Gladiator ends up with about the same mediocre brakeover angle of a 4Runner, 20sh degrees despite everything else. More weight requires better traction and from what I can tell more height requires more traction, too.

The SFA front is a big deal in many cases, sure, but if the vehicle is too big, it won't matter what front it has :)

So, I am not sold on the practicality of the Gladiator Rubicon.

Now, 70-series Land Cruisers are definitely super practical in Australia or Africa, etc.

Lastly, there is too much talk about capability on the internet. A TRD 4Runner or Tacoma has all the capability needed to get on most difficult Southwestern trails that involve getting out and seeing things. With very few exceptions, the trails that actually require Rubicon capability are driven for the sake of driving and nothing else. They are driven for the sport alone. In which case the 2dr Wrangler is the winner among new vehicles and old trucks with giant lifts and welded differentials are best for the truly extreme trails of which we have some really amazing ones right around Phoenix (more than Moab). The same should be true of offroad parks in the eastern half of the country. Aren't old modded trucks and purpose-build crawlers the best for those?

I don't mind the Gladiator Rubicon one little bit, it is a welcome addition. It is just that I personally like products that have perfectly matching characteristics. The JLU has proven to be able to get the job done on some seriously tight trails. But the Gladiator adds another 20" of wheelbase or so.
 
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Being the first year of sales, if it goes well, maybe they will make other options like a 2door or different bed figurations down the road ?
 
Regarding price, how much you want to bet the 6th gen 4Runner if it ever comes out will be well over 50k too (TRD Off-Road, TRD Pro, and Limited). All that additional electronics and fancy transmissions and additional pollution controls cost a lot to manufacture.

Also if you look at it, the 4Runner is in its 11th year. (2020). The Wrangler went 12 years before a refresh. So expect at least a 2022 before you see those high prices on 6th gens if Toyota is similar to Jeep. Maybe 2023 for a new FJ with solid front and rear axles with locking diffs and swaybar disconnect. Too much money being lost for Toyota not to get into that segment.
 
You are mostly like right. People complain about that the current 4Runner DOESN'T have and they still sell well. You add more tech, and Toyota has all the leverage in the world to increase the price of the 6th Gen 4Runner closer to what you are predicting. Inherently, vehicles will continue to get more and more expensive as people continue to demand more features/tech/creature comforts. Ain't no reversing it.
 
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Jeep makes 2 door Gladiator and then tells us "**** you, you can't have one."

Thanks, I was going to go grab that pic. Saw it earlier today.

Those @!*!@$! at Jeep have been doing this for years! They teased a Gladiator concept before the JK was even released, IIRC. A few years ago they built an awesome J10. They also made a sweet FC. I think they'd make money hand over fist if they offered the Gladiator in 2 and 4 door versions and sold them alongside that J10 concept (in both 2 and 4 door), plus the FC.

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There is a 2020 Gladiator Rubicon for sale at the local dealership "autoserv" in Tilton New Hampshire. They want $60k for it.
 

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