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[-JD-]

I stand corrected. Only 6 million Jews were killed during the holocaust.
11million Russian soldiers. 7-20 million Russian civilians depending on the historian reporting it. And there are still people alive today that actually lived it. To the best of my knowledge there are zero slaves alive today that were slaves in America. And very few people left that actually meet real slaves. Many of the black people that are here today had family that immigrated after slavery was done. So how were they affected by slavery.
If your saying it's because of the Jim Crow laws and the KKK. you should do some research. Both of those organizations were Democratic Party supported. The last surviving senator Aaron Byrd recently passed away. But he attained a very high ranking position in the KKK. When questioned on it he dismissed it as an honorary position and just something you did. While the KKK wasn't an official part of the Democratic Party it was most definitely started by southern democrats. So tell me how has the Democratic Party been helping blacks overcome slavery
Oh yea Hillary and Bill Clinton are southern Democrats. I'm not implying they are part of either affiliation. Just pointing out Arkansas is in the south and they are both democrats.

| National Review

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

State Sen. Stephen Martin says Democratic Party created the Ku Klux Klan | PolitiFact Virginia

This is really telling of the 'team' mentality you seem to have. I really dont give a fukk if democrats supported the KKK. I would still call it wrong, regardless of what 'team' it was.

Seems like a bit of stretch to try and make the 'they're both southern democrats' argument as if that somehow makes them all racist.

Besides the obvious generational wealth and education gap created as a result of slavery the very facts we have been debating in various threads would seem to suggest there are still cultural ramifications taking place today as a result.

 

[Thefishguy77]

So what do you propose be done about it. Don't say I don't know. As you have such passionate views on it you obviously have put some thought in to it.

And it does relate as if we are going to address the problem we first need to understand it. That's basic critical thinking. If you see a problem you do not have a very high chance of fixing it unless you can begin to understand how it began. And slavery was not the problem. It was how the black community has been kept down? Since the abolition of slavery. I related 2 non disputed ways this has happened and have multiple sources for both. Just trying to understand so we can help fix.

Those that fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it!
Very very true quote. Been proven correct time and time again through tour history


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[ThorInc]

The call for reparations is just plain ridiculous. If they want reparations maybe they should go to the descendants of the original slave owners in Africa who sold them, eh?

I'm mostly Irish with 30% Cherokee, I don't want anything from anyone except the opportunity to work hard to earn a living, for people to stop trying to limit and remove my rights and to leave me the hell alone.

If you are someone who thinks slavery from 100+ years ago is holding you down, you are a slave of a different sort.

A North Carolina judge just ruled that the voter ID laws in his state were designed to stop or make it difficult for blacks to vote, if you post is accurate, why is this still happening? Just asking or do we now say the judge is out to lunch and someone has him in their back pocket?

Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law - POLITICO

 

[Thefishguy77]

Most of the judges are in a political pocket. They al claim to be unbiased and not any member of a political party. But any person that pays attention will know that all judges are partisan.
Jessy Jackson and Al Sharpton both say it's racist to make minority's get ID's to vote. Because when they go down to the court house to get their picture taken and submit your information they will be arrested. Seriously I have seen video of them both saying almost the same things. Yet in most states you are required to have photo ID when you are over 18 and in public. How is that not racist?

Now the "racist" part. If your life is so unproductive that you do not need a photo ID. Then should you really vote? You need photo ID to rent a place. Buy a house, drive a car, write a check, get a bank account, go to a bar, rent a car, apply for a loan. The list is endless. Should they really be voting. And it's not blacks. There are just as many poor white folks living in trailers and tent cities. It's just our minority leaders don't give a damn


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[RunninInGA]

Looks like this guy is getting a taste of what's to come:
Dylann Roof, Accused Charleston Church Shooter, Assaulted in Jail - NBC News

 

[Thefishguy77]

Looks like this guy is getting a taste of what's to come:

Dylann Roof, Accused Charleston Church Shooter, Assaulted in Jail - NBC News

That guy deserves to be killed. We should net even be holding him in jail. We have witnesses, confession I believe, and weapon. Take him out and hang him in public. Set an example. Stop giving criminals more rights than their victims.


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[Gunslinger-13]

A North Carolina judge just ruled that the voter ID laws in his state were designed to stop or make it difficult for blacks to vote, if you post is accurate, why is this still happening? Just asking or do we now say the judge is out to lunch and someone has him in their back pocket?

Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law - POLITICO

When this judge starts applying that logic equally across the board I'll pay attention and care.

Fisrt off, it's racist as fvck to say that ONLY blacks are targeted with voter ID laws. As if ONLy blacks don't have and can't afford ID's to vote!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!! Racist!!!!!!

Second, how about having to show an ID and pass a background check for other rights- say owning a gun?

Convenient that only ones personal qualms/opinions/views are "racist" and whatever else that doesn't jive with personal opinions is "common sense".

Apply the logic across the board for all rights and all skin pigments- or STFU.

 

[ndcent]

It's always so telling who gets the most angry.

 

[ThorInc]

It's always so telling who gets the most angry.

Had the same thought.

 

[Gunslinger-13]

Passion mixed with equal parts frustration and being tired of folks pulling the "racist" "_phobic" "micro aggression" cards constantly, and a little anger yes- it's not a bad thing unless it's used in a bad way. Unless you are a "safe space/constantly offended by everything" type person.

Care to speak to the lack of application of logic across the board? You know like actually debate what I'm talking about instead of constantly labeling, putting into a box and ignoring or marginalizing?

So isn't he judge racist for his comments that voter ID laws are racist against black people? They affect folks of all skin pigment the same, poor people, not all of which, not even a majority of which are black. So why is the "everything's racist" crowd only focused on one form of racism? When it's white on black, but black on white racism is almost wholly ignored?

How come its racist to have ID's to vote, but not to buy a gun?

Again- apply the logic across all people and all rights or you have no argument.

Care to debate the merit of that?

It's always so telling the folks looking to negatively label or portray someone versus discuss and debate the issues.

 

[ndcent]

If you feel you're constantly met with "racist, phobic or agressive" maybe, just maybe there's something there.

 

[Gunslinger-13]

If you feel you're constantly met with "racist, phobic or agressive" maybe, just maybe there's something there.

I'm not. It is constantly thrown about in our society willy nilly. By you here on this web site also.

Do you even realize you're the one framing almost every discussion by "race" and at the same time calling others racist?

Again- do you care to speak to what I am saying instead of this incessant need to paint with a broad brush and trivialize?

Ive made many cogent responses to your posts and they are ignored in favor of responding with weak sauce like the post quoted above.

AGAIN- is it not racist to Believe ONLY black folks are targets/affected by voter ID laws?

AGAIN- why are voter ID laws verboten and racist, but requiring an ID and background check to practice other rights is just a-okay?

Apply the logic equally to all skin pigments and all rights. It's pretty simple stuff.

Wanna discuss it or not?

 

[ThorInc]

It's all about the premise....or lack of. Maybe I missed something but the N. Carolina ruling references a disproportionate, even targeted bias not an exclusive one. To assume that it is a mere partizan ruling just continues to feed a static perception and that is a self serving narrative.

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[Gunslinger-13]

It's all about the premise....or lack of. Maybe I missed something but the N. Carolina ruling references a disproportionate, even targeted bias not an exclusive one. To assume that it is a mere partizan ruling just continues to feed a static perception and that is a self serving narrative.

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So would those same judges also rule that gun laws in N Carolina are targeted and disproportionate?

Before you answer- maybe research where a lot of our modern day gun laws stem from and why the NRA was started- it might surprise you that most gun laws originated from wanting to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and the NRA was started to keep that from happening and to make certain ALL people in the USA enjoyed the same rights...

How do you believe black people were disproportionately targeted by the N Carolina law? I'm not finding any real intent- the judges themselves said that it's because the legislation was enacted after "Unprecedented African American Voter Participation".

Does that actually show intent to specifically stop blacks from voting? Having to show an ID? How is that targeting black people specifically- no one seems to answer this direcctly and merely say- "well more blacks voted than ever and then this legislation came out". Correlation does not equal causation. So WHY does showing an ID to vote SPECIFICALLY target black people and SPECIFICALLY keep only black people from voting?

How does this law SPECIFICALLY create a targeted and disproportionate burden or impediment SPECIFICALLY to black voters? Just because there is a history of impeding black rights? And just because the judges "Say so"?

There is a lot of negative history in this country and others- not all of it is relevant to legislation TODAY.

Especially given that in 2015 the state loosened the requirement by allowing folks to sign an affidavit saying they had a "Reasonable impediment" to getting one and allowing them to vote still.

 

[RunninInGA]

So would those same judges also rule that gun laws in N Carolina are targeted and disproportionate?

Before you answer- maybe research where a lot of our modern day gun laws stem from and why the NRA was started- it might surprise you that most gun laws originated from wanting to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and the NRA was started to keep that from happening and to make certain ALL people in the USA enjoyed the same rights...

How do you believe black people were disproportionately targeted by the N Carolina law? I'm not finding any real intent- the judges themselves said that it's because the legislation was enacted after "Unprecedented African American Voter Participation".

Does that actually show intent to specifically stop blacks from voting? Having to show an ID? How is that targeting black people specifically- no one seems to answer this direcctly and merely say- "well more blacks voted than ever and then this legislation came out". Correlation does not equal causation. So WHY does showing an ID to vote SPECIFICALLY target black people and SPECIFICALLY keep only black people from voting?

How does this law SPECIFICALLY create a targeted and disproportionate burden or impediment SPECIFICALLY to black voters?

Especially given that in 2015 the state loosened the requirement by allowing folks to sign an affidavit saying they had a "Reasonable impediment" to getting one and allowing them to vote still.

An article I read recently about this particular ruling suggested that blacks were afraid to register to vote or were afraid of the requirement to show ID because of the potential for being detained for things like outstanding warrants, unpaid child support, etc. While I can somehow understand the fear (if this truly is the case), I suppose an unintended consequence of my "white privilege" is that I was taught to keep up with my responsibilities if I wanted to enjoy all of my rights and freedoms.

 

[Thefishguy77]

The law only discriminates against you if you are not wealthy or a politician. So it discriminates equally for most. Law enforcement officers and judges my discriminate against you based off of race, background, employment. But that is based on a person not a law. It's judges that say a law targets black people unfairly. Well the poor white, black, Asian, Native American, ect wouldn't have to worry about getting brought up on charges if they obeyed the law and kept in good standing. I would actually imagine that this is only a real problem for a small portion of the potential voters.

As to gunslingers comment about the NRA forming and some of the first chapters were formed in the south to help black Americans defend themselves from the Klan. That is spot on but the MSM would loose the argument of how "racist" the NRA is if the public knew the truth. If we keep putting the truth out there some will see it each time. Let's hope they then have the courage to share it.


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[Gunslinger-13]

An article I read recently about this particular ruling suggested that blacks were afraid to register to vote or were afraid of the requirement to show ID because of the potential for being detained for things like outstanding warrants, unpaid child support, etc. While I can somehow understand the fear (if this truly is the case), I suppose an unintended consequence of my "white privilege" is that I was taught to keep up with my responsibilities if I wanted to enjoy all of my rights and freedoms.

If being afraid of having to be held accountable for ones personal decisions/mistakes/criminal acts is the reason anyone wouldn't get an ID to vote-- well that's on them and has nothing to do with racism.

 

[Thefishguy77]

An article I read recently about this particular ruling suggested that blacks were afraid to register to vote or were afraid of the requirement to show ID because of the potential for being detained for things like outstanding warrants, unpaid child support, etc. While I can somehow understand the fear (if this truly is the case), I suppose an unintended consequence of my "white privilege" is that I was taught to keep up with my responsibilities if I wanted to enjoy all of my rights and freedoms.

I don't think it's "white privilege". I think it was because you had good parent"s" growing up and they taught you to be accountable for your actions.


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[Hepar]

reparations

Ok so has it gone to far yet. Less than 10% of the population owned slaves. But apparently people today are still affected by something that stopped at the end of 1865. That would make them 151 years old to have experienced it. Not sure how black people are the only ones still affected by it. The Romans and Greeks and Americans for the matter had slaves of all races. It still goes in today in parts of Asia and the Middle East in forms of sex slaves.


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I think you need to also keep in mind that though slaves were "free" by 1865, there was still very much a caste divide with race. Consider that the civil rights movement was in the 50's to late 60's.

 

[Thefishguy77]

Still today as well affirmative action mandates the accepting on minorities even if they were less qualified. Hell that why I didn't get in to the University of Washington and a friend did. He was accepted because he is black. I had slightly better scores across the board. That's racist as well but you just move on. But let's use the 60's as a marker. So everyone alive at the end of the 60's in now 56 years old or older. I don't se many of them protesting in the streets at BLM rally's. Just saying. Their kids may be there but not them. Why is that? Could it be that as those that were affected by that realized racism is based in ignorance and the best way to fight it is to not teach your children to judge people by the color of their skin but by the content of their character? I have done jobs for black families that you could see the influence of the parent in the children. One child is a hot head that look at you like you think your better than him. And the other comes up quietly and feel the need to apologize for the actions of his brother because it's the "way he was raised".

Racism isn't a natural color thing, it a taught behavior. There are just so many influence that have that much effect on a child growing up. I guess it's up to everybody to make up their mind as to where those influences come from.


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