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just curious but any pics of the electric fans on a 4th gen. with v8 or was that only done on a v6?

I'm the guy who tried the electric fan mod with a v8. It did not work, it does not work and it can not work...ever. I tried every fan from every car and truck in existence and at one point had 4 300 watt fans on the truck and it still could not cool off the engine. I did the CFD flowsim calculation of what the factory fan puts out to cool off the v8 and it runs about 10,000CFM minimum. This is an impossible cooling number to get with electric fans in a 4runner so just don't waste your time with it.

I even purchased integrated Omron PID controllers and custom designed a PWM pulse shifting circuit to increase the max speed of the mercedes v12 fans to no effect. There is a reason that no v8 trucks in the world have electric fans and if they do, the truck can no longer go offroad or tow. It is simply not mathematically possible to increase the horsepower in a v8 4runner using an electric fan. If anything, the fans take 2x more horsepower to operate than they free up from the engine and the heat soak from heavy usage cannot be overcome with any combination of electric fans.
 
I'm the guy who tried the electric fan mod with a v8. It did not work, it does not work and it can not work...ever. I tried every fan from every car and truck in existence and at one point had 4 300 watt fans on the truck and it still could not cool off the engine. I did the CFD flowsim calculation of what the factory fan puts out to cool off the v8 and it runs about 10,000CFM minimum. This is an impossible cooling number to get with electric fans in a 4runner so just don't waste your time with it.

I even purchased integrated Omron PID controllers and custom designed a PWM pulse shifting circuit to increase the max speed of the mercedes v12 fans to no effect. There is a reason that no v8 trucks in the world have electric fans and if they do, the truck can no longer go offroad or tow. It is simply not mathematically possible to increase the horsepower in a v8 4runner using an electric fan. If anything, the fans take 2x more horsepower to operate than they free up from the engine and the heat soak from heavy usage cannot be overcome with any combination of electric fans.

TCP Performance was advertising a 4th gen 4R V8 kit on their site...

Toyota truck 4 Runner electric cooling fan conversion kits.

They replaced it with a generic statement, but at one time they were advertising a kit that came with a custom fan shroud and 2x electric fans.
 
TCP Performance was advertising a 4th gen 4R V8 kit on their site...

Toyota truck 4 Runner electric cooling fan conversion kits.

They replaced it with a generic statement, but at one time they were advertising a kit that came with a custom fan shroud and 2x electric fans.

There is no possible way that any system using anything currently manufactured by derale works. I tried all of the derale solutions and none of them were strong enough to cool the truck off when towing. I made a custom shroud also. They probably just copied my design...which doesn't work. To end any argument about whether or not to install an electric fan, just find the CFM of the fan system and compare it to the 10,000CFM MINIMUM of the v8 stock fan and then decide if you still want to do that mod. I still have my dual 70A main fan relays, dual 40A front fan relays and fan controller(s) installed in my truck with the two temp senders. They just sit there to remind me of the hell I went through trying to get electric fans to work as well as the stock fan.

For anyone interested in this mod, you will need the most powerful electric 15" fans out there- each one pulls 65A, then you will additionally need the most powerful 12" fans out there. Each one pulls 35A. When both fans on both banks are on, you are pulling 200A constant from the electrical system. The alternator can't handle that and will burn out in 1 month (guess how I know), so now you need a new alternator with better current capacity. But wait! how do you get an accurate read on the engine coolant temp at the radiator? Omron makes several 24V 1/32 DIN PID controllers that can mount in the pocket underneath an aftermarket deck with a 12-24V boost converter to power it. Just get the appropriate K-type probe and drill a hole in your radiator top to mount it. Then, figure out how to program the PID to turn on the fan banks in sequence to have low, med, high and tow modes and also a river crossing mode where both banks are off. "But I have an air conditioner" you say- well fine, just make and inductive pickup using a TIP transistor which indicates when the AC circuit is powered on and sends that signal to the PID to engage low-constant mode. That is, unless you are towing... In which case you will need to intercept values on the CANBUS by creating a network node out of an arduino to indicate the calculated load on the engine and feed that data in hexadecimal to the PID using a network bridge to allow the PID to alter its progressive values for the fan boost converter. "What fan boost converter?" You say. Well... since the low, med and high modes are not powerful enough to cool the engine, you came up with a solution that you also designed specifically for "towing mode" which is wired in parallel to the existing fan circuit using high current diodes to OR both the existing current from the 75A relays and the current from the boost converter to create an even more powerful fan which operates in what I like to call the "overload" or "emergency" mode. This mode engages everything possible to attempt to cool the engine when it is still overheating.

I did all that. None of the solutions worked as well as the Toyota-designed belt driven fan in all cases.
 
There is no possible way that any system using anything currently manufactured by derale works. I tried all of the derale solutions and none of them were strong enough to cool the truck off when towing. I made a custom shroud also. They probably just copied my design...which doesn't work. To end any argument about whether or not to install an electric fan, just find the CFM of the fan system and compare it to the 10,000CFM MINIMUM of the v8 stock fan and then decide if you still want to do that mod. I still have my dual 70A main fan relays, dual 40A front fan relays and fan controller(s) installed in my truck with the two temp senders. They just sit there to remind me of the hell I went through trying to get electric fans to work as well as the stock fan.

For anyone interested in this mod, you will need the most powerful electric 15" fans out there- each one pulls 65A, then you will additionally need the most powerful 12" fans out there. Each one pulls 35A. When both fans on both banks are on, you are pulling 200A constant from the electrical system. The alternator can't handle that and will burn out in 1 month (guess how I know), so now you need a new alternator with better current capacity. But wait! how do you get an accurate read on the engine coolant temp at the radiator? Omron makes several 24V 1/32 DIN PID controllers that can mount in the pocket underneath an aftermarket deck with a 12-24V boost converter to power it. Just get the appropriate K-type probe and drill a hole in your radiator top to mount it. Then, figure out how to program the PID to turn on the fan banks in sequence to have low, med, high and tow modes and also a river crossing mode where both banks are off. "But I have an air conditioner" you say- well fine, just make and inductive pickup using a TIP transistor which indicates when the AC circuit is powered on and sends that signal to the PID to engage low-constant mode. That is, unless you are towing... In which case you will need to intercept values on the CANBUS by creating a network node out of an arduino to indicate the calculated load on the engine and feed that data in hexadecimal to the PID using a network bridge to allow the PID to alter its progressive values for the fan boost converter. "What fan boost converter?" You say. Well... since the low, med and high modes are not powerful enough to cool the engine, you came up with a solution that you also designed specifically for "towing mode" which is wired in parallel to the existing fan circuit using high current diodes to OR both the existing current from the 75A relays and the current from the boost converter to create an even more powerful fan which operates in what I like to call the "overload" or "emergency" mode. This mode engages everything possible to attempt to cool the engine when it is still overheating.

I did all that. None of the solutions worked as well as the Toyota-designed belt driven fan in all cases.

Maybe it's worth giving them a call and asking what the system looks like? You're clearly more knowledgeable on the topic than I.

Maybe a silly question, but did you try a bigger/more efficient radiator?
 
Maybe it's worth giving them a call and asking what the system looks like? You're clearly more knowledgeable on the topic than I.

Maybe a silly question, but did you try a bigger/more efficient radiator?

I bet you a box of donuts that they simply took 2 of the 15" high flow fans, put them on a shroud and then claimed that the system worked. There are no currently manufactured products worldwide that can cool off a 4.7L v8 using electrical power when the engine is under full load. It is not mathematically possible.

There are no better radiator solutions for the 4runner than the OEM japanese radiators. And yes, I tried 3 different craptermarket radiators. All 3 "claimed" that they were more efficient, but were not in real world tests.
 
So... mine ended up at 208 HP and 240 Torq.
Also added a intake manifold plate.
Average 15.3 mpg.

There are all kinds of peeps that have used E-fans.
I had one on the old 1992 T4R... worked fine just didnt really add any HP.
Is 3rd gen guys that run E-fans, no problems.
I am sure the proper size E-fan would work just fine on a 4.0 T4R V6 if one was so inclined.

Not alot to be had in the V6 over OEM without dumping some coin.

The OV tune is a popular thing with the tacoma guys but i have not seen much love for the early 1GRFE V6.
 

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I have an e-fan on on my 1989 t4r 3.0L also. It doesn't do much for power honestly, but the engine still overheats sometimes when rockcrawling.
 
I know this form is 12 years old but I'm curious about the Doug Thorley headers and if the short tube or long tube are better? I got a 2006 V6
 
What are the best and most beneficial performance mods? Its going on an 2006 4runner limited 4.0 V6. Please specify brand and models. Would like lists like chips, exhausts, etc.


I'm not sure if you just want more power or not. But, If you want better track times, one of the best performance mods you can do is to lower the car. (Not slam it, just a minor lower) It will lower the center of mass for the vehicle and increase the tires grip to the road. You'll also be able to pull more tricks than a regular 4runner would be able to do (Drifting, J-Turns, High speed corners)
If you have XREAS buy lower springs and bleed a few drops, I remember there being a post about a guy who lowered his 4th gen. I think he had bought Moog springs and cut them a few inches lower. Looked bad-ass. Burtman industries also have some pretty good lowering springs.
You'll also have to remember that smaller wheels may be needed as to avoid rubbing.
Suspension tuning is usually overlooked but can drastically help your time. I've even thought about it, soccermom car sleeper!
 

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