Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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Blackwatch
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Yes, my rav4 works like that but these hybrids are able to shut the engine off and run on just EV mode when driving and start the engine as needed.
I believe the truck hybrids always have the engine running and take from the battery to supplement power.
Not saying it won’t have the ability to turn the engine on when the plug in the back is being used just that the truck doesn’t have that back and forth ability when driving so it might just run the battery down or you might need to idle the truck.
thatoneguy
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However useful it is, it will be a damned sight more useful than the 5th gen's inverter, where you can pull a whopping 400W if you idle a 4.0L engine over it while stopped. If I can get 1800W idling a 2.4L, or cycling the hybrid battery, much better than before.
Jetboy
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The hybrid tundra will sometimes run on EV only under low speed and light load conditions, but there's no way to select that option or to force it to do so. I haven't driven one, so this is second hand info. I've only driven the non-hybrid. One nice thing is that the accessories are run off the HV battery - so things like the AC compressor do not require the engine running. Much like the Rav4. That seems to indicate that Toyota is using the HV battery to run other components when the engine is not running and can engage the engine as a generator periodically.
But it doesn't have the twin motor/generator setup like the Rav, so it definitely can't run as a parallel hybrid, only a series. The Rav can run in all combinations depending on what the software calls for.
We should know pretty soon when the LC250 finally hits the showrooms. I'd imagine that's one of the first things people will test out. I camped next to an F150 powerboost last summer that could use the truck as the generator for the trailer and it was all automatic start/stop. Very slick system that is really unobtrusive in a campground vs the obnoxious generators. I'd ban generators from public campgrounds if I were making the rules.
It raises the load floor about the equivalent of the sliding cargo deck in my 5th gen. I haven't noticed the loss in cargo space over my older 5th gen that didn't have the deck. The 25mpg highway instead of 21mpg highway AND on 87 instead of 93 is a massive swing to the LC over the GX, though, IMO. That's $810/yr fuel difference for me at current gas prices. (12k/yr, 24 vs 20mpg, $3.30/gal versus $4.10/gal).
22/25 is outstanding MPG. And almost 100% will only require regular too.
I will say pricing is a bit of a miss for me. $55k for the base model sure. But I was hoping $65k for loaded Land Cruiser and $70k for a First Edition.
As far as the discussion comparing the LC and the GX. I personally prefer the LC powertrain. The 2400w inverter sounds like a god send to power a fridge and then an induction burner so I don't have to lug around my heavy camp stove or deal with propane tanks anymore. Toyota hybrid systems are incredibly reliable and I personally prefer the simplicity of an inline engine vs a V. (half as many gaskets, cams, valves, headers, turbos, etc etc).
I will say up to 9000lbs towing on the GX is very impressive. For those that require that, the GX is a no brainer.
I will say pricing is a bit of a miss for me. $55k for the base model sure. But I was hoping $65k for loaded Land Cruiser and $70k for a First Edition.
As far as the discussion comparing the LC and the GX. I personally prefer the LC powertrain. The 2400w inverter sounds like a god send to power a fridge and then an induction burner so I don't have to lug around my heavy camp stove or deal with propane tanks anymore. Toyota hybrid systems are incredibly reliable and I personally prefer the simplicity of an inline engine vs a V. (half as many gaskets, cams, valves, headers, turbos, etc etc).
I will say up to 9000lbs towing on the GX is very impressive. For those that require that, the GX is a no brainer.
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I avoided the sliding cargo deck though for this exact reason. When transporting 4 people (including two younger kids) and all their crap for 1 to 2 week long road trips, I need every ounce of cargo space I can get. Otherwise I end up with a roof box further destroying my mediocre gas mileage.
When I want to save gas I'll take my EV
. My point is if you're debating on spending $70K versus $80K on a truck, what the hell difference is $810 a year in fuel? Just saying!
Blackwatch
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New rumours out of Japan have this as a BOF. this would cut into a lot of 4Runner sales. I like it better than the Tacoma front end we are supposed to get.
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TexasFunRunner
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Kirk is a month late, [MENTION=87897]Trob20[/MENTION] clued us in a month ago.
thatoneguy
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Official Tacoma fuel economy numbers from EPA finally got released, non-hybrid models only
Gas Mileage of 2024 Toyota Tacoma
Those are some good improvements, especially from the old 4cyl to the new 4cyl. 2WDs have lots of torque and are pushing 21/26/23mpg; 6mpg better than the rating of a current 2WD 4Runner and with more usable torque. 4WD models now in the 19/23/21 and 19/24/21 range for automatics. In the Tacoma's case, it's good to note that they pulled off the mpg increase (with power increase), while also increasing the tire size by an inch. The new 4Runner may potentially get a tire size increase to 32.6" like the new Land Cruiser 250. Or it might not.
Gas Mileage of 2024 Toyota Tacoma
Those are some good improvements, especially from the old 4cyl to the new 4cyl. 2WDs have lots of torque and are pushing 21/26/23mpg; 6mpg better than the rating of a current 2WD 4Runner and with more usable torque. 4WD models now in the 19/23/21 and 19/24/21 range for automatics. In the Tacoma's case, it's good to note that they pulled off the mpg increase (with power increase), while also increasing the tire size by an inch. The new 4Runner may potentially get a tire size increase to 32.6" like the new Land Cruiser 250. Or it might not.
I avoided the sliding cargo deck though for this exact reason. When transporting 4 people (including two younger kids) and all their crap for 1 to 2 week long road trips, I need every ounce of cargo space I can get. Otherwise I end up with a roof box further destroying my mediocre gas mileage.
When I want to save gas I'll take my EV
It's less about the savings for me. We all live busy lives and having to spend time getting fuel is such a chore. The fuel savings is just an additional bonus for me.
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Jetboy
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This is one of the big reasons I'd LOVE to have it be a PHEV with 30-40 miles of range. I'd buy a decent amount of fuel still, but not very often. In my Tundra I daily drive now I get about 600 miles per tank. It costs a lot, but I don't have to do it very often. With a PHEV I could go a lot longer between fill ups. The number of 100+ mile days are not that many for me and they tend to be bunched together. I think during winter seasons I could go for multiple months sometimes between gas station stops. I'm pretty sure my next daily driver is either going to be an EV or PHEV.
I avoided the sliding cargo deck though for this exact reason. When transporting 4 people (including two younger kids) and all their crap for 1 to 2 week long road trips, I need every ounce of cargo space I can get. Otherwise I end up with a roof box further destroying my mediocre gas mileage.
When I want to save gas I'll take my EV
If I see $810 on the ground, I'm going to pick it up. It depends what you value. I like the hybrid driving experience, the lower up front cost, and the lower operating costs. The only downside is a little cargo room. Easy choice for me. When the GX550h comes out, it will be a much more difficult choice because I really do like the look of the GX.
Blackwatch
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Our Brand-New 2024 Toyota Tacoma Almost Left Us Stranded...Here's What Happened! - YouTube
Not a good sign for the 6th gen 4Runner.
Not a good sign for the 6th gen 4Runner.
The one positive I see is it will get a lot of attention from Toyota so hopefully it gets resolved quickly.
thatoneguy
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That was interesting! I wonder what it'll end up being. Shouldn't have failed under those relatively moderate offroading conditions.
I don't think it's "a sign" of anything. Maybe if it happens to 200 more 2024 trucks in the same fashion. If the 2016 Tacoma was released today in the mass internet/youtube influencer era, I'm sure someone would've easily busted one offroad and spammed it on a million subscriber youtube channel all the same.
It's a sexy beast!
trainman605
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I have not put my new 4 runner into 4WL as of yet, I do know that there is a process that needs to be done. First my 2024 TRD Off Road after watching YouTube videos is to start in 2WH and then go to 4WH, then let the RPM's drop to idle in neutral , then you can shift to 4WL. Is this the correct way to do it. I assume my rear diff will only lock in when it's in 4WL, do I turn the lockers off before I take it out of 4WL. I realize the new 2025 4 Runner will probably be like the new 2024 Tacoma, watching the video looks like the same operation as the present operation is, I don't see Toyota changing was works. It will be curious what they find went wrong.
Only downside cargo room? How about lack of third row if you want one, lack of 2000 to 3000 pounds of tow capacity, lack of better interior materials and potentially standard/optional equipment (like the Mark Levinson system and massaging seats), etc.
To me the fuel economy of the GX550 is a small sacrifice for everything I'd pick up versus a loaded Land Cruiser. Plus Lexus is less susceptible to BS ADM than Toyota dealerships by far.
I've driven 1,200 miles and still on my first tank of gas in my '24 RAV4 Prime. I'm getting around 40 miles of full EV driving and charge at home on a standard 110v outlet (I have a PV system). Most of my trips are under 30 miles round-trip.
I'd go for a PHEV 4Runner with a 30-40 mile range in a heartbeat.
