I'm more confident about Toyota's hybrids given their track record. I've read articles about their longevity when used as taxis.
Not so sure about their turbos, though they've used them extensively in the Lexus product line.
Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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I'm more confident about Toyota's hybrids given their track record. I've read articles about their longevity when used as taxis.
Not so sure about their turbos, though they've used them extensively in the Lexus product line.
I pesonally believe that 6th Gen 4runner will have 2 powertrain options.
1) Inline 4 Turbo
2) V6 Hybrid.
The main reason they used turbos in Tundra is because they replaced the V8! And it's a workhorse people genuinely tow a lot with those things! NA V6 Hybrid wasn't going to cut it! And that's also the reason why I believe 4R V6 will be NA! No point of giving it that much torque and HP, but from reliability standpoint it makes perfect sense! Give the MPG chasers/ Soccer moms I4 turbos keeping it relatively in budget for lower trims and for the TRD, Trail, offroad and higher trims v6 Hybrid! And I have no doubt Toyota will go that route because that's the most logical configuration with long-term reliability as the main focus which is how they do things!
And they didn't do terrible with the new Tundra IMO. In the mild commercial truck area the garbage GM and Ford is pushing off the line Thundra will still be a 10X more reliable truck if you punctual with the oil changes and proper driving habits! You won't have valves, cams failures or any other premature engine components failures due to poor design! Plus you gotta pay to play specially in these times with the amount of restrictions they have! Also most of those trucks generate money for people/business can afford to keep up with the turbos! I know 18 year Olds keeping up with turbo beaters LOL!
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Colorado buff
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Because the 5th gen has been around for over 10 years and a lot of people like myself think the 3rd gen is the best and hope the new one has a little bit of third gen flavor.
I’m familiar with them, but curious what you’d specifically like to see resembling 3rd gen.
Colorado buff
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I like the size do the third gen. The rounded look vs the 5th which is more square everywhere. Also, less pregnant, the 5th gen looks really bloated.
The you tube rendering is pretty interesting. The front that looks like the land cruiser is a winner for me.
Jetboy
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I don't doubt that this may happen. But I find it very disappointing. And I think it'll be a long term mistake. Just like how Toyota overpriced the LC200 so badly that it killed the product line. I think they'll lose a lot of current GX buyers going that route and not pick up many new ones.
A lot of people like me would have bought an LC200 if it were offered in a mid-range trim that didn't weigh 6k lbs. I want the hardware. The v8, the 8AT, the larger axles and longer travel suspension. I not only don't need the luxury - I actively do not want the 500+lbs of bloat to haul around. And it's a PITA to strip the weight back out.
The biggest disappointment is that Toyota is withholding the functional components and products to make it tied in with the luxury side. But basically only for the USA market. And only in some segments. Tundra will offer the V35A hybrid in a base model work truck for around $45k. But if I want the same parts in an SUV it has to be $100k?? There's a disconnect going on between the marketing teams for the two product lines.
Anyway - love the idea of a boxy SUV that's closer in form to the LC70. I hate the fact that it'll likely only come in Lexus trim for $100k and rarely be seen on anything more than a dirt road for the next 20 years like the GX.
Maybe the next 4R will be great. I hope so. But it's just so so late to the game and if it's like the new Tundra it'll be pretty underwhelming too because it's taken so long and the world has moved on.
OTOH - I do expect the next Rav4 to be pretty great. Toyota seems to actually care about the Rav.
NoDak
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well thanks for the info on the MY24 pushback @Carmaker1 . works out wonderfully for my budget timeline of jan-2023 of buying a new 4runner and dragging my 2014 (dec-2013) 4runner limited along for a few more years. only thing we have to decide is whether we trade in our 2018 platinum tundra for the new 2022 tundra platinum or hold off on the new tacoma in MY24
RPDBluemoon
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I won't comment on the Lexus because I do not like any of their SUVs except for the RX350. The GX a cool idea but it just looks so ugly.
Regarding the Tundra, well traditonally its always been underwhelming. Out of the big 3 (US Automakers), Toyota is the only company that actually sells more than the trucks from Honda and Nissan. So it doesn't have the highest market share but it is enough. I do think with the new Tundra it will attract some buyers, because the Tundra was really old.
I just hope the new 4Runner doesn't look bad. I don't think the 4Runner is late to the game, it sells well and the only other car that it competes with is the Jeep Wrangler, there is no other off-road inspired SUV like it. SUV sales have been dramatically increasing, just look at what they did with the Toyota Highlander and Lexus NX. So I think the 4Runner will be really good.
RPDBluemoon
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Same, 2023 is the perfect time for me to buy a car. The benefit is that by then We will know what the 6th gen looks like so we can decide to buy the last gen or get the new gen. Im just curious what the TRD colors will be by then.
Whoaaaa, back up the bus. What do you mean regarding the 2024.5 Land Cruiser? Do you mean just a regular refresh for the 300 series outside of the US... or is there a chance it could come to the US?
Jetboy
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The current tundra was a real world beater when it came out. It was basically an hd truck running gear and had the best specs in the truck world for a half ton. Compare an 07 tundra to the half tons of that era. It was bigger stronger, faster, etc than anything on the market. It still holds up seriously well other than mpg. Mpg is a killer though.
The new one would have been a world beater in 2015 or so when it was time for a new model. In 2021 it's immediately 5 years out of date. I still might buy one. It does what I need. But to be broadly competitive it had to have a PHEV at a minimum and probably needs a full EV option too.
I can already buy a PHEV Wrangler. And the 4runner doesn't even have a 6 speed transmission.* If the next gen in 3 years is just a mild hybrid as the top model, it's not going to compete very well. Kinda like it does now. It sells more than it used to. And that's some indication of success. But in comparison to the segment the 4R is actually doing quite poorly. It hasn't kept up with them market growth like it should have. It went from selling more than the Wrangler to less than half of the sales in one generation. Another generation that falls even further behind? It'll be the last one I fear.
* Technically it is a six-speed. Toyota just won't let 4Runner owners use all six gears. Because Toyota gives zero f's about the 4R to the point that Toyota seemingly goes out of its way to make the 4Runner worse.
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TexasFunRunner
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Thank you, but when you drop a bombshell, please post details, sources and links. If we are to believe David at Automotive Press he is now saying in today's video that the 6th Gen 4Runner will be released on schedule in late 2022 as a MY23 and will not be delayed to 2024.
Highlights: Stays BOF, Powertrain from Lexus NX 2.4 turbocharged four cylinder, 275 HP, 317 ft lbs torque at launch. Lots more details on Hybrid or Plug in Hybrid in the video, however the hybrid(s) are possibly delayed until MY24. Improved front and rear suspension, quieter, performs better, better MPG. He also says it will still be built in the Toyota Japan Tahara factory and not moving to the Mexico factory.
ENGINEER'S DETAILED AND COMPLETE PREDICTIONS FOR 2023 TOYOTA 4RUNNER - Five Reasons to Wait for 2023 - YouTube
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Very interesting...and exciting, if true. I guess we'll see who's right in under a year.
Some of the things he mentioned seemed like things anybody could guess -- like that it'll be quieter, handles better, better fuel economy, much better packaging, etc.
He seemed pretty confident that the rumors of delays aren't true and that production is remaining at the Tahara plant. Would have been very easy for him to go along with the rumors of delays and that production would move to Mexico.
Then again, anyone can post a video and sound authoritative on YouTube.
Blackwatch
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It makes the most sense to build it in Mexico since the taco and 4R will most likely share the same powertrain. David seems like a nice guy but the video was very simplistic, not much in there the average 4Runner enthusiast wouldn't say but still nice to see 4Runner videos.
If I ever met David in person, I'd want to ask him, "So what line of work are you in?"
[For those who haven't watched his videos, he mentions he's an engineer or automotive engineer almost every other sentence. The description of his YouTube channel mentions he's an engineer twice...in the first two sentences.]
In all seriousness, he seems to be much more connected to Toyota from a production standpoint than any of the other Toyota YouTubers. Most of the others seem to gather their information from Toyota Marketing or from the sales channels -- or from third-hand knowledge from someone like David who has production connections.
Based on Toyota's typical way of launching vehicles by showing them months ahead of production, maybe we'll see it debut at one of the major auto shows in early or mid '22? They still need to launch the Sequoia.
You can make rational arguments both ways — for a release in 2023 or delayed until 2024, or assembled in Mexico or remains in Japan.
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Blackwatch
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That does get a little old... I hope he's right and the next gen is better than this one. The only real thing that makes me nervous about this and the Tundra is the reliability.
