Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

Hopefully it's revealed by Jan 2024 but doesn't that seem a bit early? The Tundra was Sept for a Nov delivery. The Tacoma is supposed to be released tomorrow for fall delivery. I would love to see it in January as I plan on ordering a 2024 4Runner for spring delivery but if the 6th gen is amazing I might cancel that and get a 2025. I just hope there is time to see the 6th gen but buy a 5th gen.
 
It's hard to believe that we're in Q2 of 2023 already. When you think about it, January 2024 is not a long ways off...

Surprising that the Toyota Pressroom hasn't had anything about a Tacoma announcement tomorrow (4/4). The NY Auto Show press days are on 4/5 and 4/6, but Toyota isn't scheduled to make any announcements, according to their website.

Media and Press - New York International Auto Show

Maybe it'll just be another teaser? Or the reveal of the date for the reveal? Or Toyota just playing with everyone with that license plate in the photo?

In any case, I'm back to ordering a bZ4X and going full EV until the next 4Runner tempts me.
I just subscribed to their YouTube feed in case they live stream the reveal as rumored.

Toyota USA - YouTube
 
MAXimum i-FORCE! The Next Generation Toyota Tacoma is Coming Soon!

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PLANO, Texas (April 4, 2023) – The best-selling midsize pick-up in America is all-new for 2024 with electrifying i-FORCE MAX performance.

Stay tuned for updates on the Tacoma’s incredible new design and features.

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Thank you for this info. The Canadian International Auto Show is usually in February every year... I hope they can squeeze in the 4runner in there!

Most definitely, I hope it holds up, as they are not always so consistent with launch dates anymore, which can affect debut dates as well.

It's hard to believe that we're in Q2 of 2023 already. When you think about it, January 2024 is not a long ways off...

Surprising that the Toyota Pressroom hasn't had anything about a Tacoma announcement tomorrow (4/4). The NY Auto Show press days are on 4/5 and 4/6, but Toyota isn't scheduled to make any announcements, according to their website.

Media and Press - New York International Auto Show

Maybe it'll just be another teaser? Or the reveal of the date for the reveal? Or Toyota just playing with everyone with that license plate in the photo?

In any case, I'm back to ordering a bZ4X and going full EV until the next 4Runner tempts me.

The thing about it is, I remember back in February (14th) being told roughly verbatim, "So...what are you guys doing with the Ranger? We'll be making a press announcement on the new Tacoma the first week of April! Can't tell ya the exact date! Are you guys gonna beat us to it on the Ranger?"

That was our key conversation at a restaurant in Troy, MI during a double date and my spouse immediately silenced me on that subject (regarding Ranger). I've never seen her again, but if I wanted to find her again, I could. Just haven't really. I took the date and ran with it of course.

Back then, being caught up in 2-3 weeks (Jan-Feb) of predicting Toyota's reveal trajectory for this year, I interpreted this current week as similar to the 2023 Corolla GR in Q1 2022 (revealed April 1st). Fill in the blanks essentially.

She didn't necessarily say, we'll have a big photo spread and full reveal. Some online stranger has another date, which my cousin shared with me recently.

Maybe that one has more concreteness to it? IDK, just sharing, as it might not be fact. Probably is unfortunately. Late June 2023, guess we'll see.

Hopefully it's revealed by Jan 2024 but doesn't that seem a bit early? The Tundra was Sept for a Nov delivery. The Tacoma is supposed to be released tomorrow for fall delivery. I would love to see it in January as I plan on ordering a 2024 4Runner for spring delivery but if the 6th gen is amazing I might cancel that and get a 2025. I just hope there is time to see the 6th gen but buy a 5th gen.

Point is understood on that short gap for the Tundra, but that isn't the standard gap for reveal vs launch on most Toyotas.

The 2023 Sequoia was revealed January 25, 2022 and barely launched in October 2022, after the first production units rolled off on September 21st (production began in August).

Like the Sequoia in Jan 2022 and Grand Highlander this past February (July/Aug 2023 launch), the 2025 4Runner is intended as the first reveal of 2024 against September 2024 deliveries. Might be Jan or Feb.

It also wasn't really true in terms of November 2021 deliveries for the 2022 Tundra.
The first production 2022 Tundra didn't even leave the factory to be shipped until December?


I definitely recall launch being mid-late December 2021 (in very sparse volume), which I learned to be true as early as September 2019. Despite the COVID-19 pandemic, Toyota fought like hell to force that same date through, resulting in quality issues. They were about to not launch the truck until early 2022, but forced themselves to keep the "damn date" .

Bear in mind that the final Tundra launch date was originally set pre-pandemic, in mid-2019. As late as March 2019, the Tundra was a 2021 MY. They started development in early 2015 under 780B Program, once called 954A.

Ultimately, Tundra SOP in October/Nov 2021 was VERY rough and due to COVID, they revealed it so close to on sale date in December.

Couldn't do the big auto press gatherings they wanted in early-mid 2021. Easier by September. Ditto for the 2 year delayed James Bond "No Time To Die" movie, which debuted over 1 week later as well.

i-ForceMax versions were supposed to launch at the same time originally, but during pre-reveal development in 2020, hybrid Tundra got delayed again to March/April 2022. Regular Tundra arrived in December 2021, fighting like hell to get it done.

The hybrid was a major reason the redesign fell behind 1 MY originally, as in 2019 they wanted to launch all Tundra variants at the same time and not stagger them. Same reasoning happened with the 6G 4Runner, according to source

The i-ForceMax TTV6 proved challenging (just like 2021 Sienna) apparently to meet a Q4 2020 release date, so the whole redesign got delayed 1 year to Q4 2021.

Like a domino effect, many Toyota TNGA-F redesign delays followed. The Land Cruiser 300 was another domino effect contributor next to the Tundra, when its own hybrid system met similar issues too and ultimately didn't even arrive as planned. Plus some 300 restyling work ordered by Akio Toyoda in 2017-18 (production began spring 2021). 300 hybrid is now mid-cycle, sometime late next year alongside LX 700h.

The Tacoma isn't necessarily fall 2023. It is supposed to enter production at the very earliest, November 1st. I've said this several times, based on 3rd party SOP charts. Prior to that, most industry chatter had it listed for December 1, 2023 SOP since Q3 of 2021 and so have Toyota Motor North America. November 2023 SOP is suspicious to me, yet to be 100%.

From mid-2019 to Q3 of 2021, '24 Tacoma was listed as August 2023 SOP, late September '23 launch. Before mid-2019 domino delays, it was a 2023 model year redesign in August 2022.

No one will see a 2024 Tacoma in any moderate volume, let alone sufficient national volume, until early 2024. That's not my speculation necessarily, but good faith insight via Toyota. (Just don't ask about powertrains or they'll trick or ghost you.)

A reveal for the 2025 4Runner in late January is reasonable per Toyota MO, in observing many recent reveals. They'll be revealing the next Camry this fall, which is a 2025 model. Before that, 2024* Land Cruiser.


*Model Year can be altered very easily


I just subscribed to their YouTube feed in case they live stream the reveal as rumored.

Toyota USA - YouTube

SMH, unfortunately TexFR I think I should've asked my source on that reveal date more questions. I expected a full reveal, although she didn't even say that herself. She coyly asked about the Ranger and then bragged about the Tacoma press announcement the first week of April.

Looks like "press announcement" was more correct than what I even expected. Another flop on my end. SMH.

I can see why they'd do this though, based on the Job 1 date being at the very end of the year.

My question is though, why is Toyota copying the moniker for the V35A-FTS turbo hybrid of iForceMax for a likely much lesser T24A-FTS Hybrid?

Doesn't make sense to me, other than also being a pickup. Unless, they are using the same engine? Highly unlikely. We'll see.
 
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My question is though, why is Toyota copying the moniker for the V35A-FTS turbo hybrid of iForceMax for a likely much lesser T24A-FTS Hybrid?

Doesn't make sense to me, other than also being a pickup. Unless, they are using the same engine? Highly unlikely. We'll see.

I'm just guessing, but could it be the TRD Pro will use the iForceMax V35A-FTS turbo hybrid and it'll be exclusive to that trim? That could justify a significant pricing premium for the TRD Pro model.

I agree -- it is confusing if i-FORCE MAX and Hybrid MAX are used interchangeably to brand the same engine across Tacoma, Crown, and Grand Highlander. Unless, like you wrote, i-FORCE = truck and Hybrid = car/crossover.
 
She didn't necessarily say, we'll have a big photo spread and full reveal. Some online stranger has another date, which my cousin shared with me recently.

Maybe that one has more concreteness to it? IDK, just sharing, as it might not be fact. Probably is unfortunately. Late June 2023, guess we'll see.

Toyota’s fleet site does have MY2023 orders open up until July 10 so a June reveal date does certainly seem possible to me.
 
I'm just guessing, but could it be the TRD Pro will use the iForceMax V35A-FTS turbo hybrid and it'll be exclusive to that trim? That could justify a significant pricing premium for the TRD Pro model.

I just don't see Toyota doing something that aggressive. The Supra doesn't even have that much power.
 
I just don't see Toyota doing something that aggressive. The Supra doesn't even have that much power.

True, but they also squeezed 300+ HP into the RAV4 (Prime), so stranger things have happened.

I guess the question is whether Toyota is aligning their electrified vehicle naming scheme along the lines of “truck” vs. “car/crossover,” which makes sense.

The trucks will have an iForceMAX that’s a turbo + electric motor. Cars will have a HybridMAX that’s turbo + electric motor. The actual motors could vary within those lines.

Or, they could make it where iForceMAX = 6-cylinder turbo + electric motor and HybridMAX = 4-cylinder turbo + electric motor, regardless of body style.

Either one sounds plausible. Guess we’ll just need to wait and see.
 
There's no way Toyota will put the Sequoia engine in a Taco. The 2.4 turbo hybrid in the Crown makes 340hp and 400 torque. I think it's just a truck thing. Iforce Max in trucks. 340/400 are great numbers.
 
True, but they also squeezed 300+ HP into the RAV4 (Prime), so stranger things have happened.

There was no squeezing of anything. They just put a bigger battery and slightly large electric motor in - both of which had plenty of room on the regular hybrid to expand on.
 
I also think it would be wildly out of character for Toyota to put a 430hp powertrain in a Tacoma. Keep in mind that this is the same group of engineers and the same group of executives above who refused to put a low 300hp v8 in the 4Runner even though it had it in the prior generation. Instead they opted to put a 157hp 4cyl as the alternate engine option in a 4700lb suv. The same ones who told you that the 2GR in the tacoma with rear drum brakes in 2016 was great. They didn't even put the high output setup in the LX600 or the LS or the LC300 in any market. But now they're going to stuff it into the Tacoma? And would they then put a 10.5" rear axle in a taco? IMO - that's so unrealistic it's not really worth more than a passing thought about how the V35A alone would have been amazing in a Tacoma. If a Colorado had a badge that said VortecMAX - I wouldn't doubt GM might drop a 6.0 in a Colorado. Toyota? I think it's more likely to discover purple rabbits living on the moon.
 
Keep in mind that this is the same group of engineers and the same group of executives above who refused to put a low 300hp v8 in the 4Runner even though it had it in the prior generation.

If the 5th gen had the 4.6 V8 burning reg gas I think it would be as close to perfect as you can get. Aside from crappy speakers and backup camera;)
 
Do you think the 6th gen could follow the Grand Highlander motor options?

2024 Grand Highlander will come with:

2.4L turbo
2.5L Hybrid
2.4L Hybrid Max

Haven't seen much speculation of the 2.5L Hybrid making it into the 6th gen. Maybe it could? Thoughts?
 
There was no squeezing of anything. They just put a bigger battery and slightly large electric motor in - both of which had plenty of room on the regular hybrid to expand on.

I was using the term "squeezing" figuratively, not literally, but OK. Point taken.

A 400-hp Tacoma sounds ridiculous, but a 300-hp RAV4 does too. And yet, at least one of them exists.

If I had to put money on it, though, I'd go with:

- Base 4-cyl engine = the "yard man" special
- 4-cyl turbo = i-FORCE
- 4-cyl turbo + hybrid = i-FORCE MAX
 
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I was using the term "squeezing" figuratively, not literally, but OK. Point taken.

A 400-hp Tacoma sounds ridiculous, but a 300-hp RAV4 does too. And yet, at least one of them exists.

If I had to put money on it, though, I'd go with:

- Base 4-cyl engine = the "yard man" special
- 4-cyl turbo = i-FORCE
- 4-cyl turbo + hybrid = i-FORCE MAX

A base 4 cyl engine? Like the 2.5 in the RAv?
 
I would have said no NA 2.5/hybrid. But who knows. I think it'll be a horrible combo for anything other than a base 2wd model that'll never see a mountain pass. The newest 2.5 D4S makes up to 174hp in hybrid form, but that's at over 6k rpms. And that's where it'll live. The hybrid can help in acceleration, but it only has about a 60 second burst of extra power. Steady state up any mountain pass where the 1GR at 270hp felt anemic, the NA2.5 hybrid will be almost unbearable.

If this is accurate - it's basically all over for this segment other than PHEV. No other way to get a 4Runner to something like 35-40mpge.

New EPA Emissions Rules Will Push Automakers To More EVs | The Drive
 
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And anyone still using ICE vehicles will face crazy gas prices to convince them to buy electric or hybrid. I believe part of the allure of electric vehicles to the environmentalists are the reduced range you have. Road trips will be a thing of the past when you can only drive 200 miles at a time.
 

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