Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

[Pedro367]

New Taco images today. Front fox shocks are adjustable?? I almost missed the adjuster dial when I first looked at it. They are Quick Switch 3 shocks. I can't deny I like what I see. But I'm also scared of how much Toyota is going to think they're worth.

Funny. Just came here to post the exact same thing. 3 way adjustable 2.5 IB Foxes and the ARB stuff is exciting. Wish they chose something other than Goodyers for once. I still can't understand how every single manufacturer is going to those Territory tires. Chevy ZR2s, Ford Broncos, Toyota, etc. Terrible.

Not going to lie though, I'm all for a decent 4cyl turbo hybrid for the new 4R. Plug in hybrid would be even better. If Toyota can come close to Jeeps HP and torque numbers (Hybrid MAX?) from the 4XE with great Fox suspension I think we'd have an absolute winner.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Rest in Peace FJ Cruiser:
Toyota FJ Cruiser Production Ends After 17 Years

Now, to tie it in with speculation, since the FJ Cruiser is built at the Hamura Plant, this frees up factory space for the new US based Land Cruiser.

List of Toyota factories - Wikipedia

 

[AZ Craig]

Rest in Peace FJ Cruiser:
Toyota FJ Cruiser Production Ends After 17 Years

Now, to tie it in with speculation, since the FJ Cruiser is built at the Hamura Plant, this frees up factory space for the new US based Land Cruiser.

List of Toyota factories - Wikipedia

I had no idea it was still being produced for some world markets actually... Been gone in the US for almost ten years!

 

[Pyral]

I had no idea it was still being produced for some world markets actually... Been gone in the US for almost ten years!

Happens all the time, the FJ40 was made into the 2000s as the Bandeirante, the 3rd gen Sentra (1990-1994) was sold in Mexico until 2017.

The FJC was sold in South Africa and the Middle East last I checked

 

[vermontmike]

That first rendering looks great. Sign me up for a plug in hybrid.

LOL yeah you can plug it into that tree, right over there!

 

[mscot]

LOL yeah you can plug it into that tree, right over there!

You do realize phevs can run in regular hybrid mode without needing to be plugged in, right?
THey're not as efficient but they run just fine.
If you can protect the batteries and ensure reliability, there's no reason not to have a PHEV offroad vehicle. Those may be big ifs tho.

 

[hoppyjr]

You do realize phevs can run in regular hybrid mode without needing to be plugged in, right?
THey're not as efficient but they run just fine.
If you can protect the batteries and ensure reliability, there's no reason not to have a PHEV offroad vehicle. Those may be big ifs tho.

* Added cost.
* Added weight.
* Eventual battery replacement (not to mention the environmental cost for both production and disposal)
* Our grid is already old and failing, so let’s tax it more!

No thanks, I’ll stay old school.

“Save the planet” at your peril.

 

[Jetboy]

PHEV is the ultimate reliability option. If it's done right. Much less use of brakes, less wear on engine, backup drive system, ability to ford deep water or extremely dusty areas without running the engine. Lots of potential benefits. But only if it's done right. The Rav4 Prime - excellent for it's purpose. The Tundra/Sequoia hybrids - disappointing.

IMO the best bet is to offer it as ICE, HEV, and PHEV. Let buyers choose what is best. No one would complain about the Sequoia hybrid if it wasn't the only option. Toyota has offered its popular vehicles in all 3 options, but hasn't done so in the BOF market yet. And when it does, it is highly restrictive of mixing and matching trims and engine options. Toyota needs to do better in that respect. The car market is moving heavily toward more special orders and less inventory sitting on lots. Why not offer each powertrain across the full lineup of trims?

 

[Blackwatch]

I'm assuming the turbos in the 2.4 turbo hybrid option will last longer than the 2.4 turbo engines.

It would be interesting if the hybrid models had a meter to show how many miles are on the gas engine vs how many miles on the electric motors. You could have 30% less miles on a hybrid than a reg vehicle. If the battery holds out it should last longer if the engine is made to the same standard.

 

[Jetboy]

I'm assuming the turbos in the 2.4 turbo hybrid option will last longer than the 2.4 turbo engines.

It would be interesting if the hybrid models had a meter to show how many miles are on the gas engine vs how many miles on the electric motors. You could have 30% less miles on a hybrid than a reg vehicle. If the battery holds out it should last longer if the engine is made to the same standard.

I'm surprised that Toyota (and others?) don't do this. It's such an important piece of info for so many owners that it's kinda remarkable that it's not included as a standard feature. Like how basically all commercial vehicles and powersports have hours and miles. PHEVs should have a breakdown at a minimum of engine running hours. The hybrid part is probably the hardest to separate easily because often both the electric motor and engine are running at the same time. But engine hours would at least tell you quite a bit about the mix.

From what I can tell, the only way people are sorting this out now is by logging the fuel and then calculating the mpg based on typical fuel consumption, and then estimating the EV/ICE balance.

I don't think Toyota has ever done a PHEV with a turbo engine. I can't think of one - but maybe I'm forgetting some.

 

[Pedro367]

* Added cost.
* Added weight.
* Eventual battery replacement (not to mention the environmental cost for both production and disposal)
* Our grid is already old and failing, so let’s tax it more!

No thanks, I’ll stay old school.

“Save the planet” at your peril.

You make great points here. I'm all for the PHEV movement, but the cost needs to get in line. I'd prefer to avoid the electric movement all together until the infrastructure catches up, but it's why the PHEV is so great being able to do both. But, $12k+ more for a 4XE version will take forever to make up in gas savings, if ever.

The biggest issue you mention is the environmental impact of just making a new car to go electric and the battery disposal later. If you wanted to be environmentally friendly you wouldn't have Tesla make you a new car. You'd drive what you had until it died. But, that's not the way the market and our government is going.

 

[mscot]

I don't think Toyota has ever done a PHEV with a turbo engine. I can't think of one - but maybe I'm forgetting some.

I think they've only done PHEV in Prius and Rav4 in the US market, so far. Right?

 

[mscot]

* Added cost.
* Added weight.
* Eventual battery replacement (not to mention the environmental cost for both production and disposal)
* Our grid is already old and failing, so let’s tax it more!

No thanks, I’ll stay old school.

“Save the planet” at your peril.

I wouldnt argue with what you're saying in this post, but it has zero to do with anything you or I stated in our prior posts. Nice attempt at a strawman.

 

[hoppyjr]

I wouldnt argue with what you're saying in this post, but it has zero to do with anything you or I stated in our prior posts. Nice attempt at a strawman.

Nope, not a “straw man” just stating my opinion, which I believe is relevant.

 

[Blackwatch]

Is THIS the next Toyota Land Cruiser coming to America!? - YouTube
Cant remember how to embed...

If the new Land Cruiser looks like this I might have to be OK with the new turbo hybrid stuff.

 

[thatoneguy]

PHEV is the ultimate reliability option. If it's done right. Much less use of brakes, less wear on engine, backup drive system, ability to ford deep water or extremely dusty areas without running the engine. Lots of potential benefits.

I have to disagree with this on principle alone. A PHEV is the most mechanically complex vehicle currently being sold. Lugging around an entire EV drivetrain, and lugging around an entire ICE drivetrain. If some study shows up in 10 years claiming that PHEVs are somehow the most reliable type of vehicles sold, I'll eat my words, but I don't anticipate that happening.

I'm personally staying pure ICE until I go pure EV. EV drivetrains are way mechanically simpler than ICE, orders of magnitude fewer moving parts, which will be great once they're really dialed in. I don't want both in the same vehicle at once.

 

[Anthony88]

Is THIS the next Toyota Land Cruiser coming to America!? - YouTube
Cant remember how to embed...

If the new Land Cruiser looks like this I might have to be OK with the new turbo hybrid stuff.

Did he say the next gen Lexus GX is getting announced in June? I don’t think I’ve heard that before?

 

[Jetboy]

I have to disagree with this on principle alone. A PHEV is the most mechanically complex vehicle currently being sold. Lugging around an entire EV drivetrain, and lugging around an entire ICE drivetrain. If some study shows up in 10 years claiming that PHEVs are somehow the most reliable type of vehicles sold, I'll eat my words, but I don't anticipate that happening.

I'm personally staying pure ICE until I go pure EV. EV drivetrains are way mechanically simpler than ICE, orders of magnitude fewer moving parts, which will be great once they're really dialed in. I don't want both in the same vehicle at once.

Hybrids and PHEVs are already more reliable than their ICE counterparts in the info I can find. EVs as a category are the worst for reliability. ICE is in the middle.

A Prius is more reliable than a Land Cruiser based on defect rates. It's not purely apples to apples given the higher average miles of the Land Cruisers. I've also included a Corolla, which I think is as close of an apples to apples comparison between ICE and hybrid as we'll get. Hybrid also beats ICE in that case.

 

[KimchiJae]

I have to disagree with this on principle alone. A PHEV is the most mechanically complex vehicle currently being sold. Lugging around an entire EV drivetrain, and lugging around an entire ICE drivetrain. If some study shows up in 10 years claiming that PHEVs are somehow the most reliable type of vehicles sold, I'll eat my words, but I don't anticipate that happening.

I'm personally staying pure ICE until I go pure EV. EV drivetrains are way mechanically simpler than ICE, orders of magnitude fewer moving parts, which will be great once they're really dialed in. I don't want both in the same vehicle at once.

While initially this makes sense, after giving it some more thought -- it's a slight contradiction. If EV drivetrains are way mechanically simpler and orders of magnitude fewer moving parts, then adding it to an ICE vehicle in turn doesn't add much complexity at all. You say "full EV" drive train but something like the Rav4 Prime only has motors and batteries suited for 42 miles of electric range. Plenty enough to perform someone's daily commute but nothing like the powerful motors and huge batteries true EVs have. PHEV batteries and motors are comparably light and small.

Now if EVs were complex and then adding it to an ICE vehicle then I would agree that mixing the two would be a bad idea. But as we know, EVs ARE very simple so in turn add little complexity to gas powered vehicles.

Now I'm not saying that it adds no complexity. But the benefits of PHEV are very compelling in our current state of transit.

 

[Blackwatch]

Did he say the next gen Lexus GX is getting announced in June? I don’t think I’ve heard that before?

I'm not sure about June but the speculation was GX, Land Cruiser then 4Runner reveals. I did hear the Land Cruiser would be on sale by the end of this year so I could see a GX reveal in the summer with the LC being revealed end of August and the 4Runner revealed by February.