Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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TexasFunRunner
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There are never "Official" announcements before the reveal. Just look at how the Land Cruiser reveal occurred last summer, insider leaks let us know it was coming, then we saw the teaser ads and finally the reveal.
The 4Runner will happen the same way, endless delays, more delays, then insiders will throw more chum in the water to string us along, the faithful will salivate, and as usual, certain members will s**t all over the information as they do not care to read speculation in the speculation thread.
Az4runnin
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2025 Rendering
This is supposed to be very close to the Real Deal. Who knows.
It's Time To Talk about the All New 2025 Toyota 4Runner! [TFL] | 2025 4Runner Forum (6th Gen) News, Specs, Models - 2.4L, Hybrid, TRD Pro, Off-Road, SR5, Limited -- 4Runner6G.com
This is supposed to be very close to the Real Deal. Who knows.
It's Time To Talk about the All New 2025 Toyota 4Runner! [TFL] | 2025 4Runner Forum (6th Gen) News, Specs, Models - 2.4L, Hybrid, TRD Pro, Off-Road, SR5, Limited -- 4Runner6G.com
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TexasFunRunner
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That is from the TFL video, Tommy created it using AI tools just to see what would happen, you can see he stitched together the back end of the old 5th gen model and the new Tacoma model, listen to the video to hear more how he did it.
So is the "TROARA" close to the Real Deal?, only in Tommy's AI tools.
By the way, this was already posted on Jan 9th.
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That's a Grand Theft Auto version. It's close enough that you would be like "yea, that's inspired by a 4runner". But it is pretty much all wrong if you start looking at the details.
Blackwatch
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Toyota.com is listing the Tacoma hybrid at 21 mpg city and 26 mpg hwy (estimates).
Trob20
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That's exciting potential for the 4runner. Somewhat surprised the highway numbers are considerably more than the city since with hybrids the city numbers tend to be pretty close to highway numbers.
MAST4R
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Yeah, could that be a mistake? For me personally, it is the highway number that matters for a 4R.
Today, I saw the new Land Cruiser and the new Tacoma on a show. Well, very unimpressed with the undercarriage of the Land Cruiser. Nothing wrong with it, just nothing worth north of 50k. And the shocks would have to go right away, yikes, assuming this is what it comes with. It was labeled as a prototype and had a Subaru style plastic under-guard instead of a front skid plate, which, whatever. But it better have good plates with that Subaru clearance (I am sure it will not). Its offroad credentials off the box in terms of angles, clearance, etc are just a joke compared to the Bronco that was sitting about 10 yards away. At some point, reliability is just not enough even for me, the solo wolf.
As for the Tacoma, its rear, from underneath, looked very much like my 4Runner which is generally a good thing (why fix what works so well) but I want the next 4R to have an improved departure angle. Do not ask me why I did not spend more time looking at the front suspension geometry and spacing. That was always my major point of interest in the new Tacoma. I can really use more wheel travel. I guess the rear seat just drained my interest right then and there.
That's only good to put there Jeep drivers you have saved along the way.
I don't need the next 4R to match the Bronco in rocks but I need something more than incremental and marginal improvements to buy a new vehicle.
My 4R is fully owned and has all the mods I need. It is staying home anyway (me, son, both, whatever) and so to add a new one will take, as a start, easy, no-mods needed 35s.
Today, I saw the new Land Cruiser and the new Tacoma on a show. Well, very unimpressed with the undercarriage of the Land Cruiser. Nothing wrong with it, just nothing worth north of 50k. And the shocks would have to go right away, yikes, assuming this is what it comes with. It was labeled as a prototype and had a Subaru style plastic under-guard instead of a front skid plate, which, whatever. But it better have good plates with that Subaru clearance (I am sure it will not). Its offroad credentials off the box in terms of angles, clearance, etc are just a joke compared to the Bronco that was sitting about 10 yards away. At some point, reliability is just not enough even for me, the solo wolf.
As for the Tacoma, its rear, from underneath, looked very much like my 4Runner which is generally a good thing (why fix what works so well) but I want the next 4R to have an improved departure angle. Do not ask me why I did not spend more time looking at the front suspension geometry and spacing. That was always my major point of interest in the new Tacoma. I can really use more wheel travel. I guess the rear seat just drained my interest right then and there.
That's only good to put there Jeep drivers you have saved along the way.
I don't need the next 4R to match the Bronco in rocks but I need something more than incremental and marginal improvements to buy a new vehicle.
My 4R is fully owned and has all the mods I need. It is staying home anyway (me, son, both, whatever) and so to add a new one will take, as a start, easy, no-mods needed 35s.
HiluxSurf SSR-G
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That is expected because it's a prado, not the real Land Cruiser. Toyota Australia once said that the Prado has been designed on the basis that 90% of prados do not leave the bitumen.
TheSpinDoctor
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Interior Dimensions
Toyota/Lexus finally published the interior dimensions specs for the new GX. It was worth the wait.
Even with the sub/pano roofs, there’s plenty of headroom compared to the GX460 and LX600.
Leg, shoulder and hip room also appear to be quite generous.
Here’s a homemade chart comparing the GX550 to the GX460, GX470, LX600, LX570, Sequoia and 4Runner.
2024 GX550
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 39.4 / 41.7 / 35.5 (with moonroof)
- 40.3 / 41.9 / 35.3 (with pano roof)
- 41.7 / 43.2 / NA (no moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.2 / 36.7 / 37.9
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 59.5 / 57.2 / 57.8
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 56.5 / 56.4 / 45.3
2023 GX460
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 38.0 / 40.4 / 35.2 (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.7 / 34.1 / 29.3
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 55.4 / 57.3 / 54.5
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 56.5 / 55.2 / 43.1
2008 GX470
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 40.2 / 40.4 / ? (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.8 / 36.8 / ?
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 57.5 / 57.4 / ?
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 55.1 / 54.8 / ?
2024 LX600
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 37.8 / 38.9 / 35.2 (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.1 / 36.6 / 31.1
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 61.4 / 58.8 / 56.1
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 59.6 / 58.8 / 49.0
2021 LX570
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 38.3 / 38.9 / 35.8 (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 42.9 / 34.4 / 28.3
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 61.0 / 59.1 / 62.3
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 58.7 / 58.5 / 56.6
2024 4Runner
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 38.6 / 38.6 / 35.6 (with moonroof)
- 39.3 / 38.6 / 34.3 (no moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.7 / 32.9 / 29.3
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 57.8 / 57.8 / 57.7
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 56.5 / 55.7 / 43.3
2024 Sequoia
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 39.2 / 38.4 /35.6 (with moonroof)
- 39.3/ 37.5 / 35.6 (with pano roof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.2 / 39.2 / 28.1-33.7
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 65.0 / 61.8 / 62.6
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 62.6 / 60.8 / 50.9
Toyota/Lexus finally published the interior dimensions specs for the new GX. It was worth the wait.
Even with the sub/pano roofs, there’s plenty of headroom compared to the GX460 and LX600.
Leg, shoulder and hip room also appear to be quite generous.
Here’s a homemade chart comparing the GX550 to the GX460, GX470, LX600, LX570, Sequoia and 4Runner.
2024 GX550
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 39.4 / 41.7 / 35.5 (with moonroof)
- 40.3 / 41.9 / 35.3 (with pano roof)
- 41.7 / 43.2 / NA (no moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.2 / 36.7 / 37.9
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 59.5 / 57.2 / 57.8
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 56.5 / 56.4 / 45.3
2023 GX460
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 38.0 / 40.4 / 35.2 (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.7 / 34.1 / 29.3
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 55.4 / 57.3 / 54.5
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 56.5 / 55.2 / 43.1
2008 GX470
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 40.2 / 40.4 / ? (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.8 / 36.8 / ?
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 57.5 / 57.4 / ?
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 55.1 / 54.8 / ?
2024 LX600
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 37.8 / 38.9 / 35.2 (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.1 / 36.6 / 31.1
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 61.4 / 58.8 / 56.1
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 59.6 / 58.8 / 49.0
2021 LX570
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 38.3 / 38.9 / 35.8 (with moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 42.9 / 34.4 / 28.3
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 61.0 / 59.1 / 62.3
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 58.7 / 58.5 / 56.6
2024 4Runner
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 38.6 / 38.6 / 35.6 (with moonroof)
- 39.3 / 38.6 / 34.3 (no moonroof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.7 / 32.9 / 29.3
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 57.8 / 57.8 / 57.7
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 56.5 / 55.7 / 43.3
2024 Sequoia
Headroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 39.2 / 38.4 /35.6 (with moonroof)
- 39.3/ 37.5 / 35.6 (with pano roof)
Legroom 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 41.2 / 39.2 / 28.1-33.7
Shoulder room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 65.0 / 61.8 / 62.6
Hip room 1st / 2nd / 3rd row
- 62.6 / 60.8 / 50.9
TexasFunRunner
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Great chart, thank you.
"Leg room also appear to be quite generous." 100% disagree, for those of us that are taller and long legged...
41" is so average and absolutely nothing to be glad about, most likely we will pass on vehicles with 41" leg room.
42", minimally acceptable, you have to search, but there are some.
43" or more, ideal, but somewhat of a unicorn, there are a few, but it seems to be fewer and fewer every year.
YMMY
TheSpinDoctor
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You are right. The front legroom is indeed fairly average on the GX550.
I should’ve been more precise that it’s the second row’s legroom that pleasantly surprised me.
And as my wife and I are both quite tall, every inch of head and legroom is crucial for us.
Blackwatch
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I think it's because the hybrid trucks can't run in EV mode around town like a RAV4 so the engine is always working.
TheSpinDoctor
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I just saw this post on Reddit.
No clue if the last picture is genuine or not.
If we look at the “Vol (000s)” column, Toyota seems to believe that the LC250 will definitely cannibalise sales from the 4Runner.
The “Vol (000s)” column refers to the FJ Cruiser replacement.
The “platform volumes” line is a bit puzzling to me. Aren’t figures a bit low when factoring in the upcoming 4Runner and FJ Cruiser, the new Tacoma, LC250, GX550, and the current LC300, LX600, Sequoia and Tundra?
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No clue if the last picture is genuine or not.
The “Vol (000s)” column refers to the FJ Cruiser replacement.
The “platform volumes” line is a bit puzzling to me. Aren’t figures a bit low when factoring in the upcoming 4Runner and FJ Cruiser, the new Tacoma, LC250, GX550, and the current LC300, LX600, Sequoia and Tundra?
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TheSpinDoctor
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I am convinced that the LC250 will cannibalise 4Runner sales. The upcoming FJ Cruiser type will eat some too, especially if there’s an ICE version.
Still, Toyota predicts that the new 4Runner will sell best in its first model year despite a late production start scheduled for January.
TexasFunRunner
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Are you confusing the posted numbers for the Mini FJ Cruiser with the 6th gen 4Runner?
TexasFunRunner
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Have you seen something to give you confidence the 6th gen 4Runner starts production in Jan 2025, or are you confusing it with the just posted info about the Mini FJ Cruiser?
Note, the posting specifies "C-SUV" or Compact-SUV which = Mini FJ Cruiser.
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TexasFunRunner
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For those in doubt about inside sources (like those from Philly), I posted this on July 10, 2023.
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