BFG All-Terrain T/A KO2 went on sale today

I don't know how I missed that, watched a similar review from them on the Coopers. Costco has a decent deal going on them right now where I live. Although I'm waiting to hear how the Cooper S/T Maxx does in snow/ice, doesn't seem to have any data or 3rd party reviews yet.
IIRC the Maxx did well in the snow, but were rather lacking on ice. I never looked very hard for a review on them because of the higher road noise that many reported with them though.
 
Just throwing this out there. Looks like there is a recall on some sizes. *EDIT* nevermind no TA KO2 on the list.

Safety Recall : Commercial Light truck Tire Sizes | BFGoodrich Tires

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As an FYI, those tires were down at 18 psi and at full stuff. I've found the D load range sidewalls on these to be quite stiff...

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35 seems a bit squishy to me for on road :( That's also a lot of tread contact area which increases rolling resistance a LOT. You can even hear the difference with the window rolled down when driving slowly (5-10 mph) on the road. Try 40 pounds if 45 is too much, it's a big difference in feel. I run 44 for mileage, 30 for desert offroad, 24 for rock climbing and 20 for sand dunes.

Do you get much sidewall bulge when aired down to 24 for rock climbing?
 
I had my load range C KO2's down to 20 on my 4th gen a couple weeks ago with very little bulge on flat land. Seemed to be much smoother on the road stuff and had excellent grip everywhere else. I guess it just depends how heavy your rig is.
 
LT275/70r17 Pressure

So, I recently purchased the KO2's in the 275/70r17 size for my stock 2014 Trail, and decided to follow the advice on this thread to get me started. Over the last few weeks, I've learned a little more, and thought I'd share for anyone else looking at them for their ride.

1. LT275/70r17, E load tires at 45 psi are a hell of a lot stiffer than stock tires. I read this before buying them, and knew it to be the case, but didn't really KNOW it until I drove it. The problem for me wasn't the "comfort" aspect, as much as the combination of the higher spring rate of the tire itself and its added mass. The result was that sharp bumps like potholes or abrupt changes in pavement caused the wheels to loose contact with the road momentarily, since my stock suspension isn't exactly setup for that much stiffness and weight on the end that touches the ground. I was like: :lookout:

2. After lowering my pressure down to 42 psi for the safety aspect, I definitely felt the tires become a little more compliant with the staccato road features, and I was generally satisfied with them, but noticed a different issue. It happened to rain on my way to work one morning, and I pulled under the canopy of a gas station to fill up. When I did, I noticed that none of my tires were leaving wet tread marks on the dry concrete past about 1/4" out the outer lugs. Basically, I was only riding on the middle three lugs of the tires, and a very minimal amount beyond that (sorry, no pics). Surely this is not good for tread life or ultimate traction on pavement.

3. After #2, I broke out the big guns, and called my cousin; he's an engineer for Michelin (who makes BFG, for the uninitiated). I gave him the vehicle specs, and he said 45 was probably fine if I'm fully loaded, but recommended I try something like 35-38 when empty, to get a full contact patch. I went down to 38, and I have to agree. The ride is now [nearly] as comfortable as stock on the interstate (never had issues around town), and it seems to give a much better contact patch. No wet-to-dry footprints to see yet, but I can feel the weight of the steering changed a bit, and it gives me a lot more confidence at high speed.

Obviously, your mileage may vary :drum:
...but I'm happy at 38 psi for on-road use, and glad I got the 275's for that little bit of off-road advantage now that the pressure isn't causing them to jump around on the road. Hope it helps.
 
So, I recently purchased the KO2's in the 275/70r17 size for my stock 2014 Trail, and decided to follow the advice on this thread to get me started. Over the last few weeks, I've learned a little more, and thought I'd share for anyone else looking at them for their ride.

1. LT275/70r17, E load tires at 45 psi are a hell of a lot stiffer than stock tires. I read this before buying them, and knew it to be the case, but didn't really KNOW it until I drove it. The problem for me wasn't the "comfort" aspect, as much as the combination of the higher spring rate of the tire itself and its added mass. The result was that sharp bumps like potholes or abrupt changes in pavement caused the wheels to loose contact with the road momentarily, since my stock suspension isn't exactly setup for that much stiffness and weight on the end that touches the ground. I was like: :lookout:

2. After lowering my pressure down to 42 psi for the safety aspect, I definitely felt the tires become a little more compliant with the staccato road features, and I was generally satisfied with them, but noticed a different issue. It happened to rain on my way to work one morning, and I pulled under the canopy of a gas station to fill up. When I did, I noticed that none of my tires were leaving wet tread marks on the dry concrete past about 1/4" out the outer lugs. Basically, I was only riding on the middle three lugs of the tires, and a very minimal amount beyond that (sorry, no pics). Surely this is not good for tread life or ultimate traction on pavement.

3. After #2, I broke out the big guns, and called my cousin; he's an engineer for Michelin (who makes BFG, for the uninitiated). I gave him the vehicle specs, and he said 45 was probably fine if I'm fully loaded, but recommended I try something like 35-38 when empty, to get a full contact patch. I went down to 38, and I have to agree. The ride is now [nearly] as comfortable as stock on the interstate (never had issues around town), and it seems to give a much better contact patch. No wet-to-dry footprints to see yet, but I can feel the weight of the steering changed a bit, and it gives me a lot more confidence at high speed.

Obviously, your mileage may vary :drum:
...but I'm happy at 38 psi for on-road use, and glad I got the 275's for that little bit of off-road advantage now that the pressure isn't causing them to jump around on the road. Hope it helps.

I have been running 36-38 on mine in the past year after some experimenting. It is the sweet spot for me.
 
Do you get much sidewall bulge when aired down to 24 for rock climbing?

To tell you the truth, I don't know! I'll have to specifically look for it. I just gauged that on how it rode over the rocks in the Needles District earlier this year.

I personally tend to shy on the side of too much pressure as I've seen people lose beads and that's kind of a PITA. (Just happened last week at Pismo)

So I personally only lower to the point that is seems to do well without pushing it. Just not that "Extreme" an offroader I guess :D
 
So no one has any issues running 275/70 on stock SR5 suspension?

also curious how the people who have had them for awhile like them? New to the offroad game and have been looking at the BF's and the Nittos. Daily driving these tires any complaints? Noise? vibrations etc.
 
also curious how the people who have had them for awhile like them? New to the offroad game and have been looking at the BF's and the Nittos. Daily driving these tires any complaints? Noise? vibrations etc.

I'm not sure if there's any difference in the suspension between SR5 and Trail, but they ride fine on mine. No vibrations, unless I drove through some gravel. Then it's like :uzi: until it all comes out.
 
Is there a certain model for the BF's that are correct? I know on DTD there are two different ones with different prices?
 

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