BFG KO2 vs Nitto Terra Grappler G2 vs Falken Wildpeak AT3W

Aren't such changes interesting, aside from being annoying?

My Toyo AT II got noisy similarly "overnight" around 20k. From great to flap-flap-flap.

My current Wildpeaks are being tracked way more carefully, in 32nds s mileage varies with use. Around 7/32nds the tire quite suddenly became less comfortable. It is hard for me to tell because my other two are at 10 but I definitely feel the ride a bit harsher, just like that.

My KO2s were used on a Subaru, so rain issues were nonexistent. I sold them at 8/32nds so never learned how they do later in their life.

My heavy Off Road days are behind me. Mostly running trails for hunting-fishing etc. All tires as they wear loose performance. Just before I took them off, they did great during hunting season. That said, 90% of driving on developed roads. Under light throttle starts with any wet road condition and the back wheels broke. Any water ponding on the roads and that wheel (s) lost traction.

It was as if someone threw a switch and turned off the water traction
 
I recently went through this decision matrix as well and ended up with the Wildpeak AT3 in 285/70r17 on my TRDORP. My driving habits are pretty much what you described, 95% on road.

I have about 4000 miles on them and drove about 500 miles in a torrential rain storm on the interstate. The 4runner felt and drove exceptionally well. The tires are only slightly louder than the stock Bridgestones and I've had zero balancing issues as well.

As an earlier poster said - go with the P metric tire - with your driving habits there is no reason to go with the LT tire.

My brother recently installed the Wildpeaks on his wife's Tacoma and his new F150 - his experience is the same as mine.

It seems to be a good value and very good tire. Good luck!
 
I recently went through this decision matrix as well and ended up with the Wildpeak AT3 in 285/70r17 on my TRDORP. My driving habits are pretty much what you described, 95% on road.

I have about 4000 miles on them and drove about 500 miles in a torrential rain storm on the interstate. The 4runner felt and drove exceptionally well. The tires are only slightly louder than the stock Bridgestones and I've had zero balancing issues as well.

As an earlier poster said - go with the P metric tire - with your driving habits there is no reason to go with the LT tire.

My brother recently installed the Wildpeaks on his wife's Tacoma and his new F150 - his experience is the same as mine.

It seems to be a good value and very good tire. Good luck!

Thanks for sharing your experience - much appreciated. I'm close to you by the way - Decatur, but spend plenty of time in Roswell. If you're a member of the Atlanta 4Runners group on FB, I'll probably see you around!
 
I have been researching tires for 3-4 months and my driving habits and needs are pretty much identical to yours. 90-95% on road with occasional forest service roads and some winter driving in the mountains for backpacking, fishing etc. I had KO2’s on my f150 and they got scary in the rain as the miles started to add up. Unless sidewall protection is crucial they are overkill for a 4runner. Especially if wet weather traction is key and I see tons of rain and wet roads in upstate SC and the N.C. mountains. I ran p metric michelins and Yokohama geo landers for many years on my Gen 3 and never had a single issue.

The Falken WP is probably going to be my next purchase. I like the aggressive look and they check all the boxes. They are 7lbs heavier per tire which is the only drawback vs the stock Dunlops. Other tires I have considered are the cooper at3 and the Toyo OC at2. The coopers just don’t appeal to me as much visually. The Toyo’s get mixed reviews but in P or SL load they do weight 41 lbs so some benefit there from a mpg perspective.

I plan to take the mileage hit and go with the Falkens. Hope this helps you out.
 
I have been researching tires for 3-4 months and my driving habits and needs are pretty much identical to yours. 90-95% on road with occasional forest service roads and some winter driving in the mountains for backpacking, fishing etc. I had KO2’s on my f150 and they got scary in the rain as the miles started to add up. Unless sidewall protection is crucial they are overkill for a 4runner. Especially if wet weather traction is key and I see tons of rain and wet roads in upstate SC and the N.C. mountains. I ran p metric michelins and Yokohama geo landers for many years on my Gen 3 and never had a single issue.



The Falken WP is probably going to be my next purchase. I like the aggressive look and they check all the boxes. They are 7lbs heavier per tire which is the only drawback vs the stock Dunlops. Other tires I have considered are the cooper at3 and the Toyo OC at2. The coopers just don’t appeal to me as much visually. The Toyo’s get mixed reviews but in P or SL load they do weight 41 lbs so some benefit there from a mpg perspective.



I plan to take the mileage hit and go with the Falkens. Hope this helps you out.
I didn't see a mileage hit really. However, getting them balanced and keeping them balanced has proven to be a real pain. I think I'll be looking elsewhere next time.
 
I have not had any balancing issues with my P 265 70 17 Wildpeaks (10% over stock wheel/tire combo). E-load are much heavier, so those might have balancing issues.

My LTD KO2s on my Outback (+26lb over stock despite lighter wheels) could never be fully balanced (I was fine with +16% Geolander ATS).
 
Has anybody looked into the P-rated Yokohama G015?

Field Tested: Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 – Expedition Portal

Yes. Newer AT designs, like the GO15 normally have an area where they excel, l just don't understand where the GO15 is supposed to excel.

I had two sets of the earlier ATS, two sizes, on my Outback totaling about 53,000 miles. It left much to be desired in cornering and braking. I am sure GO15 is much better but I have read a couple of people making similar complaints to those I used to have.

No idea how it does on 4R but, again, just fail to see any appealing feature vis-a-vis the competition.
 
Many people here say they have balancing problems with BFG KO2’s. However I have the opposite experience. They balanced on the first try. I had balancing problems with other tires.
 
I always find tire threads interesting, and curious? almost as much fun as oil threads... I have put over 100k miles on BFG K02's c-rated. Luv them! Best looking tire out there, amazing durability and have the confidence you need off road for my needs. Run them year round in Colorado. Never have had any wet traction issues? To each their own guess. Frequent balancing/rotation is required however...I do mine every 5k religiously!
Fwiw, I would look into that new Goodyear ultra terrain AT, Discount tire exclusive, Would love to hear feedback on this tire from any 5th gen drivers. I guess it is a 10 ply E-load rated tire.
 
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I didn't see a mileage hit really. However, getting them balanced and keeping them balanced has proven to be a real pain. I think I'll be looking elsewhere next time.

What tires\type you had before switching to Falkens? And what Falkens tires (size|type) you had balancing issue with?
 
I've had Terra Grappler G2's on my 2010 TE in stock size for over a year. I am very happy with them. Great traction in the rain, quiet, smooth riding, etc. Only bad thing is they are a little heavy, but it's not like I am taking off the vehicle very often. They replaced a set of Michelins when the left rear blew out the entire sidewall in the middle of nowhere.
 
Many people here say they have balancing problems with BFG KO2’s. However I have the opposite experience. They balanced on the first try. I had balancing problems with other tires.

You are running LTC. So I am not surprised they balanced on first try.

Same with Wildpeaks: balancing P vs E.
 
Just reading through this thread overwhelmed that i have to start over researching for the best tire. It took me 10+ years to find the 2 best tires for cars. Now i have to start all over and its going to drive me nuts.

Ill probably do a winter set and a summer set of tires on 2 sets of rims i have. But that may not be the solution like it was for my car (set of summer set of winter).

When i get closer to needing new tires ill check in with the community first.
 
Just reading through this thread overwhelmed that i have to start over researching for the best tire. It took me 10+ years to find the 2 best tires for cars. Now i have to start all over and its going to drive me nuts.

Ill probably do a winter set and a summer set of tires on 2 sets of rims i have. But that may not be the solution like it was for my car (set of summer set of winter).

When i get closer to needing new tires ill check in with the community first.

Yeah. It is very hard if the vehicle is used in multiple weather and surface scenarios regularly.

If I were in your shoes, I would look for a P metric AT that does great in rain and on road generally. They all will handle dirt roads and most trails anyway. Just make sure you have a good spare if you do happen to get a puncture.
 
Yes. Newer AT designs, like the GO15 normally have an area where they excel, l just don't understand where the GO15 is supposed to excel.

I had two sets of the earlier ATS, two sizes, on my Outback totaling about 53,000 miles. It left much to be desired in cornering and braking. I am sure GO15 is much better but I have read a couple of people making similar complaints to those I used to have.

No idea how it does on 4R but, again, just fail to see any appealing feature vis-a-vis the competition.

Very interesting, thanks.
 
First, P vs LT.

People say that all the time. Except those of us who actually use P-metric tires all over the place with rare issues.

Yes, you are more likely to lose a P-metric, but P-metric tires hold their own very well at or near street pressures. You can play with 28-33 psi depending on need, etc, I just normally use 33 on and offroad, but actual airing down should be limited to deep sand and similar.

Using a P-metric tire gives you a better tire literally 99% of the time. Unless you plan on driving difficult obstacles made of sharp granite in AZ or equivalent, there is no point in going LT with a third ply in the sidewall. Just going LTC is not necessarily a guarantee about anything here in AZ.

For most people, getting LT tires on 4Runners is the equivalent of getting a 4Runner to drive a fire road once in a blue moon. Total overkill.

Second, not all P-metric tires give you equal shot at strength. I have not been able to find anything conclusive but here is a list of P-metric tires that make a case for themselves in the strength department:

Goodyear Adventure with Kevlar, for Kevlar in the tread and "durawall" sidewalls.
Falken Wildpeak AT3W for high ply turn-ups simulating 4 ply sidewall and strong shoulder protectors
Nitto Ridge Grappler for strong shoulder protectors
Wrangler Duratrac for strong shoulder protectors
Wrangler Ultraterrain for strong shoulder protectors
General Grabber ATX for strong shoulder protectors

That's about it. All other P-metrics I can think of lack the strong shoulder protectors necessary to keep rocks at bay.

Third, rain and wet.

Look at Discount Tire Direct and search by vehicle and then select tire and then select Treadwell. You will see third party testing for stopping distances in dry and wet.

Best dry and wet braking

outstanding dry and wet braking:
Wrangler Trail Runner
Wrangler Adventure with Kevlar
Falken Wildpeak AT 3W

All three of these stop within feet of each other.

For your needs, I recommend the tire I use, the Wildpeak AT 3W. It is cheap in 265 70 17 yet great on and off road, does great in the rain, I have total confidence in its strength everywhere outside the Sonoran Desert and equivalent, and does well enough even in those harshest environments.

My rear tires are 7/32nds now and had no issues with all the Montana rain we experienced in July. They still perform very well offroad as well.

The tire makes no noise in 265 70 17 (can be noisier in 285) and is very comfortable. Only now, at 7/32, I am starting to feel a slight loss of comfort, which happens to all tires when tread gets shallower.

Ok now. I do love my AT3W's for their traction characteristics but after 30k they are louder than the 37" Swampers on my Jeep. They are more of a ***** to balance too. 2-3 tries each time so far to get them "acceptable". They do wear like iron though and grip very well at the same time. Great tire overall but it's not without its flaws. And yep I run stock sized 265's.
 
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Ok now. I do love my AT3W's for their traction characteristics but after 30k they are louder than the 37" Swampers on my Jeep. They are more of a ***** to balance too. 2-3 tries each time so far to get them "acceptable". They do wear like iron though and grip very well at the same time. Great tire overall but it's not without its flaws. And yep I run stock sized 265's.

Yes, I am getting to 30 as well.

I have got no balancing issues on my P-metric but I, too, am exploring other options. I do not like it that I spend only 10,000 miles at 10/32nds or higher. I may just keep buying Wildpeaks as they are so cheap but it is all TBD at this point.
 
I've been using BFG ATs for over 20 years. I've never experienced the wet weather issues that others have experienced. I put stock sized BFG ATs load range C on my 4Runner. I could hardly wait to get those noisy P rated factory tires off. I'm getting over 18 mpg for normal city driving. I'll get around 20 mpg on the highway.
 

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