Big Bear II

Thai said:
Airing down makes a huge difference in traction.

Could not be more true, but since we did not have one problem in BB relatively high grip environment, we stayed aired up, just dealt with a little wheel spin here and there and we were fine.
 
Thai said:
EXACTLY why i gave back the Nittos many moons ago and went with BFG AT KO and Firestone Destination M/T. If you're gonna off-road, then you need good tires with strong sidewall so that you can air down. Airing down makes a huge difference in traction.

If driving on the road and say light forest trails where would you be at with a BFG AT , then if you air down for some of the stuff you see Josh & Blair go through. Just wondering and to educate myself.

Josh are you and Blair what tires are you switching to ?
 
Falls said:
If driving on the road and say light forest trails where would you be at with a BFG AT , then if you air down for some of the stuff you see Josh & Blair go through. Just wondering and to educate myself.

Josh are you and Blair what tires are you switching to ?

That was worded a little funky, and is a bit hard to decipher, but the part to Blair and I, I am still deciding what tires. I really like the Nitto's, but I am just unsure. I want to do plenty of research before I buy. And with only 9K-ish miles on my Nitto's, I am in no hurry. Maybe BFG or Nitto's in the LT rating.

However, there are a few things I don't like about BFG's from experience, as well as others opinions.
a. not the best hydro-plane resistance
b. they are very good at kicking up rocks, etc.
c. handle poorly in snow

Anything I am missing?
 
Falls said:
If driving on the road and say light forest trails where would you be at with a BFG AT , then if you air down for some of the stuff you see Josh & Blair go through. Just wondering and to educate myself.

Josh are you and Blair what tires are you switching to ?

It depends on how fast you're going. You can run regular air pressure if you're going fast. However, anytime that i have to be in 4-LO or in an off-road park/area, i air down to at least 18 psi.
 
HB 4X4 said:
However, there are a few things I don't like about BFG's from experience, as well as others opinions.
a. not the best hydro-plane resistance
b. they are very good at kicking up rocks, etc.
c. handle poorly in snow

Anything I am missing?

Not the best in preventing hydroplaning?? I guess that i am missing a lot of the action because i never had this problem...and i am on my 3rd set of bFG AT KO. But then again, i drive carefully in rain and with VSC, i guess that may have helped.

Any tires will kick up rocks because rocks get into those tread grooves. If you want to avoid this, then get Mud-terrains. Trust me, any ATs will kick up stones as do highway tires.

Snow? That is highly debatable. If it was so bad, then how did it get snowflake symbol?? I love how those "haters" mention this and how the snowflake is junk...show me some evidence. Show me where snowflake symbol is worthless. There is not any.

When people go with AT tires, where do they spend their $$ on?? What is the best selling AT tire?? Like i said earlier, yeah, you can look at Tire Rack review, but where do people end up spending their money??
 
Thai said:
Not the best in preventing hydroplaning?? I guess that i am missing a lot of the action because i never had this problem...and i am on my 3rd set of bFG AT KO. But then again, i drive carefully in rain and with VSC, i guess that may have helped.

Any tires will kick up rocks because rocks get into those tread grooves. If you want to avoid this, then get Mud-terrains. Trust me, any ATs will kick up stones as do highway tires.

Snow? That is highly debatable. If it was so bad, then how did it get snowflake symbol?? I love how those "haters" mention this and how the snowflake is junk...show me some evidence. Show me where snowflake symbol is worthless. There is not any.

When people go with AT tires, where do they spend their $$ on?? What is the best selling AT tire?? Like i said earlier, yeah, you can look at Tire Rack review, but where do people end up spending their money??

I thought you didnt trust Tirerack reviews...lol

I agree snow is very debatable. Hard packed glazed over snow they were no better than my Revo's , normal mixture snow they performed very well , and I must say that in very very cold weather my Revos did better. It's very subjective.

When I had them on vehicles with and without traction control they were always fine , I do think the Revos were better in wet rain.

I also must say that AT tires will always kick up more stones rocks , I have noticed this too , but it seems the BFG was worse than others I've tried .

Like I've determined , there is no perfect tire , BFG AT remains my favorite AT to this day , has its good points and bad like all of them . I would say it's probably the most aggressive and toughest AT tire that I PERSONALLY have used.
 
Thai said:
It depends on how fast you're going. You can run regular air pressure if you're going fast. However, anytime that i have to be in 4-LO or in an off-road park/area, i air down to at least 18 psi.

Interesting , what would you run on road driving with a C rated , being an empty truck ?
 
Thai,
You crack me up. I wasn't challenging your little snowflake. I was simply speaking from experience with bfgs on one of my previous trucks, as well as on my step fathers truck. They performed poorly in snow from Wyoming, every state between, as well as Alaska last winter.
 
There are a lot of AT tires that do very well in snow and severe snow/blizzards without having the snowflake on it.
 
Falls said:
Interesting , what would you run on road driving with a C rated , being an empty truck ?

I would use the same psi as what the factory recommends or a bit higher (35 psi?).

Falls said:
I thought you didnt trust Tirerack reviews...lol

I don't...read again what i wrote...no matter what TireRack consumer surveys may say, you just have to look at the sales figures to see where people put their money on.
 
Thai said:
I don't...read again what i wrote...no matter what TireRack consumer surveys may say, you just have to look at the sales figures to see where people put their money on.

Those same surveys also say they rank 9th or 10th in the AT line up.
 
Thai said:
I am confused...are you saying that BFG AT KO ranks 9th in sales???

I don't know where the biased sales figures are but the biased ranking is 9th or 10th .

I typed in survey like you said , thats what came up.
 
Falls said:
I don't know where the biased sales figures are but the biased ranking is 9th or 10th .

I typed in survey like you said , thats what came up.

Ok, i can see where you got confused with what i wrote...so, let me rephrase it.

DESPITE what TireRack consumer surveys say, the BFG AT KO is still the best selling AT tire in America. THUS, i wrote that you should look at what people BUY instead of the TR ranking. This is why i do NOT trust TR surveys, among other reasons i wrote before in THIS thread.

BTW, how are sales figures bias??
 
BlairB said:
t4r.org always gets so hostile...

:mad:

Well, it's sometimes hard to get points across over the net...it does get frustrating sometimes. The main thing is that...nothing is personal. Take everything with a grain of salt, whether on this forum or other forums. You will always find some form of discussion or disagreement among members of any forum.
 
Thai said:
Well, it's sometimes hard to get points across over the net...it does get frustrating sometimes. The main thing is that...nothing is personal. Take everything with a grain of salt, whether on this forum or other forums. You will always find some form of discussion or disagreement among members of any forum.

Too bad someone didn't take that approach with previous matters. :D

Back on topic after 4 pages of tires, what a fun trip.
 
BlairB said:
t4r.org always gets so hostile...

:mad:

No, keep in mind with text it's up to the reader's interpretation. Emoticons help, but without being able to hear how you expressed the above statement, I can't tell if you're pissed off or if you're being sarcastic.

In my line of work, the majority of communication is via email and sometimes instant messaging. Without talking to some of my customers and business partners on the phone, I would never been able to read their sense of humor.

Anything written it's best to keep it professional, so no misunderstanding can be made. For my coworker with a twisted sense of humor, he disagrees with me for using email. He prefers calling the person and BSing around. I use email for two reasons, keeps the conversation short, on topic, no phone tag and more importantly, I have it in writing.

My two cents... and we now return this thread back to regularly scheduled topic. :p
 
Agreed !!

Sorry to go off topic guy's Josh & Blair.

OK , so what light bar did you order Blair ?

I really do envy those pics , quite different than my wheeling , but a hell of a lot more scenic.
 

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