How are you guys adjusting the clips on the 6112? Are you removing the entire assembly from the vehicle? I have mine set for 2.4", but it is still not leveled with my rears with 5112 & icon 2" springs. Looking to bump the fronts a notch higher, but don't want to go through the pain of reassembling since I have KDSS
Bilstein 6112/5160 + B12 Springs
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honda250xtitan
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doubt you can compress the spring while mounted on the truck. Just pull them off and have a shop compress them and move the clip up. its worth the hassle for that extra lift. i'm on top setting, with KDSS and DirtKing uppers. Drives amazing.
esteban008
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Thought I'd add to the thread... Installed 6112s(6th circlip)/5160s with B12 1.5" springs in the rear on my 2016 Trail Edition (w/KDSS). Gained ~2.5" up front and ~1.25" in the rear. I initially installed the 1" B12 rear springs (only gave ~3/4" lift), and wanted a little more so I swapped them out for the 1.5".
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Question for people running Bilstein 6112's! I just got mine in today and the instructions say that the 5/3 settings give 1.6 inches of lift, and the 6/4 give 2 inches. This is different from before where where they said 5/4 gives 1.85 which is what I intended to do... Has anyone installed it recently, and if so, what did you go with? Did the 6/4 actually give you 2 inches on a non KDSS model, or was it more? I tried to call them to ask what has changed to have them tell you to go 2 clips lower on one side, versus 1 before, and he basically told me he had no idea...
MAST4R
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It all depends.
With 600lb springs and the 1.2 setting (4/2) I got more like the 0.8" setting with just 3/16 steel skids and sliders. With the 650lb springs and everything else the same, I am getting a bit more than 1.2" in the front.
I personally replaced the springs because the 600lb is too soft with the 6112 for any serious desert use.
From your experience, is the 2 inch option actually 2? I'm trying to avoid having to get UCAs for now as well and maintain MPG's, not sure how much lifting will impact it tho really, especially if im raising the back too so its not level. I also ordered the wheels t13 rear springs which are stated to give 1.5, but others have said 1.25 is what it really does. I read through some of your posts to see stuff you said about having the same setup, which was help. Ive also been torn on the 1 or 1.5 rear springs..... I want to keep it simple and avoid having to get UCAs for now, so I dont want to lift it too much. I also want to have some rake to keep it how Toyota intended, and also when I row my time attack car. My experience is also from the racing world where springs have nothing to do with height, because you adjust it all at the coilover.... so this has been a bit different since you end up preloading the spring and get that height, versus picking the spring rate you want and adjust height separately...
What is your 2 cents for someone in my shoes? Do the 1.6 setting and get a 1 inch spring? Go for 2 and stick with 1.5 rear spring? My logic initially was even if i do 1,6 in the front and get a 1,5 rear spring, it will retain what is stock. However, the TRD Pro is an incher higher in the stoc to begin with, so its really not a big deal going 1 or 1.5 even with the front raised 1.6 inches. I have the springs ordered as of an hour ago, but can always call in the morning to try to have them send me different ones, I suppose.
I've been going back and forth a lot on what to do here, so input is welcome...
What is your 2 cents for someone in my shoes? Do the 1.6 setting and get a 1 inch spring? Go for 2 and stick with 1.5 rear spring? My logic initially was even if i do 1,6 in the front and get a 1,5 rear spring, it will retain what is stock. However, the TRD Pro is an incher higher in the stoc to begin with, so its really not a big deal going 1 or 1.5 even with the front raised 1.6 inches. I have the springs ordered as of an hour ago, but can always call in the morning to try to have them send me different ones, I suppose.
I've been going back and forth a lot on what to do here, so input is welcome...
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SnowYeti
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Here is what I did, if it helps at all. The rear spring guess work can drive you nuts. It is compounded for me since I tow and have a RTT in the summer.
The height adjustable rear springs from Eibach were my solution. I bought the medium version for 250 lb load. I installed them first at the lowest setting and measured the difference front to back. (No tent)
I already had my 6112 assemblies on clip #4 (KDSS) for 2”. I have read and heard the more preload the harsher the ride with these, so instead of having to disassemble I bought a 1/2” spacer. (1” lift) After measuring I decide to use it to get a 3” lift. VERY tight fit BTW.
The front was crazy high. Ran it up and down the bump in my driveway a dozen times and it settled. More around 2.75 of lift in the end.
This gave me 1/2” of rake, which looked great but..
Then I put my RTT on and the trailer, negative 1/2” rake.
No biggie since I had adjustable springs that can go up another 2.5”. It does require lifting the back to lessen spring tension and removing the tires. Now I am around 1/2-3/4” rake loaded up. MUCH easier adjustment than pulling the 6112s. Pricier...yes, worth it for me...YES!!
The height adjustable rear springs from Eibach were my solution. I bought the medium version for 250 lb load. I installed them first at the lowest setting and measured the difference front to back. (No tent)
I already had my 6112 assemblies on clip #4 (KDSS) for 2”. I have read and heard the more preload the harsher the ride with these, so instead of having to disassemble I bought a 1/2” spacer. (1” lift) After measuring I decide to use it to get a 3” lift. VERY tight fit BTW.
The front was crazy high. Ran it up and down the bump in my driveway a dozen times and it settled. More around 2.75 of lift in the end.
This gave me 1/2” of rake, which looked great but..
Then I put my RTT on and the trailer, negative 1/2” rake.
No biggie since I had adjustable springs that can go up another 2.5”. It does require lifting the back to lessen spring tension and removing the tires. Now I am around 1/2-3/4” rake loaded up. MUCH easier adjustment than pulling the 6112s. Pricier...yes, worth it for me...YES!!
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Run Forrest Run
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I have a 2021 TRD ORP, no KDSS, no 3rd row, only added weight is Sliders. This is a daily driver.
On order is 6112 (600 lb springs) & 5100’s and 1” Bilstein B12 (BIL-36-281817) rear coils.
From reports I’ve read, I’m planning on setting Circlip to #5/3 for 1.6 up front to lift/level PLUS expecting @ 3/4-1” in rear from B12’s.
I hope to end with a small lift, maintain 1” rake, easily maintain factory alignment, and run A/T 265/275’s.
Anyone have feedback on actual lift obtained with 6112 front setting at 1.6” vs 2”?
Anyone have actual lift measurements from this 1” coil?
I want to get this ‘right’ the first time and avoid a reverse rake at all cost. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
On order is 6112 (600 lb springs) & 5100’s and 1” Bilstein B12 (BIL-36-281817) rear coils.
From reports I’ve read, I’m planning on setting Circlip to #5/3 for 1.6 up front to lift/level PLUS expecting @ 3/4-1” in rear from B12’s.
I hope to end with a small lift, maintain 1” rake, easily maintain factory alignment, and run A/T 265/275’s.
Anyone have feedback on actual lift obtained with 6112 front setting at 1.6” vs 2”?
Anyone have actual lift measurements from this 1” coil?
I want to get this ‘right’ the first time and avoid a reverse rake at all cost. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Run Forrest Run
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Completed install and reporting back in the event it helps someone else. There are conflicting reports of actual lift achieved with different circleclip settings. I almost went with 1.6” setting based on reports of getting more than expected. I ended up choosing 6/4 for 2” and glad I did.
** 2 days and a few miles of settling in, I’m very pleased with the result. Front lean leveled perfectly and ended up 2” up front and 1.125” in the rear. Below are specs and parts used:
Front- Bilstein 6112 set at circle clip 6/4 for 2” on non-KDSS
Rear- Bilstein 5100 and Bilstein 1” coils
Measurements, taken from base of rim to wheel well, full tank.
Before:
DF- 28.625”
PF- 29”
DR- 30.875”
PR- 31”
After:
DF- 31” (+ 2.375”)
PF- 31” (+2”)
DR- 32.125” (+1.25”)
PR- 32.125” (+1.125”)
** 2 days and a few miles of settling in, I’m very pleased with the result. Front lean leveled perfectly and ended up 2” up front and 1.125” in the rear. Below are specs and parts used:
Front- Bilstein 6112 set at circle clip 6/4 for 2” on non-KDSS
Rear- Bilstein 5100 and Bilstein 1” coils
Measurements, taken from base of rim to wheel well, full tank.
Before:
DF- 28.625”
PF- 29”
DR- 30.875”
PR- 31”
After:
DF- 31” (+ 2.375”)
PF- 31” (+2”)
DR- 32.125” (+1.25”)
PR- 32.125” (+1.125”)
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Run Forrest Run
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Correct, 1.25” with B12’s in the rear. I will report back after a few weeks should things settle further after more time and miles.
Installed 17x7” TRD wheels with stock 265 sized Falken WP AT3 in SL. These tires compliment the Bilstein ride. Very happy with the result so far.
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MAST4R
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So that is the correct way of putting it, which I did not know until yesterday.
The spring is NOT 600lb. The spring is much softer than that while the valving is stronger. This explains the puzzling behavior in extreme for suspensions terrain (where the front felt many times it would bottom out but did not at the last moment as the shock prevented it).
It also better explains why offroad comfort is superb on the standard springs.
(no complaints on 650lb, it is good but it is not plush)
Looks great, thanks for sharing! So your total lift in front was 2.0-2.5'' and rear was ~1.25''? Looks like there is still about 1'' of rake. Did it align alright without UCA?
Run Forrest Run
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Glad to help. Yes, Bilstein 2” setting of 6/4 compensated for drivers side lean perfectly. Lifted 2” on passenger side and brought drivers side up 2.375” to level.
Stock UCA’s- My alignment tech got caster to 2.9 on both sides. All is within spec and drives great.
You’re the man, thanks for the follow up! If you ever come up to PDX I owe you a beer or three.
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6112 with 5150 rear and original rear springs
Looking for input from the thread... recently upgraded my suspension from factory stock to: Bilstein 6112's at 1.2" (4/2) setting in front and Bilstein 5160 in the rear but left the factory stock springs untouched. Both front and back level at 21.5" center of wheel to fender, but it seems that the truck tends to have a reverse rake at times, especially when 100 to 200lbs are added, or the truck sits on an incline. I'm considering upgrading the rear springs to Bilstein B12's to get an extra 3/4" to 1" in the rear, for just a slight forward rake and I figure the B12's are better able to support the occasional 100-200lbs vs factory springs, when adding weight without having a reverse rake.
Anyone have any similar experience and how did you correct any reverse rake?
Thanks!
2018 TRD Off Road Premium - Non KDSS
Looking for input from the thread... recently upgraded my suspension from factory stock to: Bilstein 6112's at 1.2" (4/2) setting in front and Bilstein 5160 in the rear but left the factory stock springs untouched. Both front and back level at 21.5" center of wheel to fender, but it seems that the truck tends to have a reverse rake at times, especially when 100 to 200lbs are added, or the truck sits on an incline. I'm considering upgrading the rear springs to Bilstein B12's to get an extra 3/4" to 1" in the rear, for just a slight forward rake and I figure the B12's are better able to support the occasional 100-200lbs vs factory springs, when adding weight without having a reverse rake.
Anyone have any similar experience and how did you correct any reverse rake?
Thanks!
2018 TRD Off Road Premium - Non KDSS
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Mr_Bingley
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Looks great! what was the rough cost for this, since you saved a good amount by not getting the KDSS?
Run Forrest Run
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Sounds like you potentially got more than 1.2”. Recommend that you measure ground to frame behind front tires and in front of rears. I also suggest bottom of wheel to fender (as finding center of hub can be difficult to get an accurate reading).
Those measurements will help you find true rake under different loads. From there, you can consider rear spring and/or different setting up front.
Run Forrest Run
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6112- $750
5100- $200
B12- $200
I ended up buying from 3 different companies to avoid lengthy back order wait times.
I had Ironman lift with UCA on my 2020. It was good, but this Bilstein setup is a much more accurate result and I like the ride better for a DD.
