Black798's 98 limited build thread

[Black798]

Im just going to leave these here...

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Sorry for the crappy picture quality, didn't have much time to mess with stuff tonight

 

[ajordan1975]

Nice build!
I've been doing lots of reading on builds lately.
I'm going to be putting my 2gen crawler and tow rig up for sale soon and plan to build my 3rd gen.
It's going to be not a crawler, but not an overland rig ether. Just a very capable camping rig.

 

[Black798]

The 3rd gen is a great platform for the type of build you're going to be doing. Sounds similar to the route I have gone with my mine. My only complaint about this platform is how efficient you have to be with the cargo space but I suppose it just adds to the challenge of tailoring the rig to your needs

 

[Unner]

Im just going to leave these here...


Sorry for the crappy picture quality, didn't have much time to mess with stuff tonight

Lots of awesome stuff in those pictures!What gear ratio did you go with?

Do you plan to keep the stock lower mounts on the axle, or are you putting new ones on?

 

[Black798]

Lots of awesome stuff in those pictures!What gear ratio did you go with?

Do you plan to keep the stock lower mounts on the axle, or are you putting new ones on?

I went with 4.30 gearing so it isn't much of a regear from 4.10. The front is a used diff I pulled out of a junk yard a few hours away. I went with an arb in the back because the elocker just seemed like too much work and I've heard of all kinds of issues with the motors cracking and what not. I would have liked to have done front and rear lockers with 4.88s or 4.56s but my checkbook told me no.

I plan on keeping the stock lower mounts but cutting the stud off and welding on tabs in place of it. I need to buy a bigger welder first so next weekend is hopefully when the shocks will go on and the diffs are happening this week.

 

[Unner]

I went with 4.30 gearing so it isn't much of a regear from 4.10. The front is a used diff I pulled out of a junk yard a few hours away. I went with an arb in the back because the elocker just seemed like too much work and I've heard of all kinds of issues with the motors cracking and what not. I would have liked to have done front and rear lockers with 4.88s or 4.56s but my checkbook told me no.

I plan on keeping the stock lower mounts but cutting the stud off and welding on tabs in place of it. I need to buy a bigger welder first so next weekend is hopefully when the shocks will go on and the diffs are happening this week.

Nice, I'd probably go ARB too because at this point all E-lockers are almost 20 years old... Looking forward to seeing it all come together!

 

[Black798]

Nice, I'd probably go ARB too because at this point all E-lockers are almost 20 years old... Looking forward to seeing it all come together!

That was my thought, by going arb I get a 5 year unlimited mile warranty with new bearings and gears. No elocker can give me that. But if anyone is looking there's like 5 or 6 elocked 4runners sitting in a junkyard in Missoula MT with front and rear diffs lol.

The weekend cant come soon enough to put this stuff in!

 

[Black798]

New diff install

It has been a long few days. A few weeks ago I went and pulled a new front diff from a junkyard but it had 4.30 gears so I ordered a fully built diff from ECGS that arrived last week. I also decided to repaint the rear axle since it was looking pretty bad.

Friday night I started buy pulling the rear axle to prep it for paint and to swap in the new 3rd member. Time to have the axle completely removed, 2 hours and 35 minutes.

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Saturday morning I started off by pulling out the innards of the axle to start prepping for paint and to weld on my marlin crawler diff skid that I modified slightly to work with the 4runner ebrake cable

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Then sprayed on some primer. I also decided to paint the lower control arms to make them match and then I was left waiting for paint to dry.

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The tailless 4runner in its natural habitat
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Out with the old and in with the new
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Fully assembled and ready to go under the truck
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Next was the front which I didn't take many pictures of because it was such a pain in the ass. This is one project that if I ever have to do again I will be going all out with a fully built unit with arb locker and cryo treated stub shaft and all that because it is such a pain to wrestle the diff in and out.

Old diff
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It was obvious the old diff was in full self-destruct mode since the oil was changed 2 weeks ago and had already made this many shavings. Ill probaly split the case open tomorrow to see how bad it really is
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Next weekend I will be installing the new rear shocks which Im really excited for

 

[Black798]

Pulled apart the front diff to see how bad the damage was. Both spider gears are totally trashed with maybe 50% of the teeth reaming. Still can't figure out how this didn't make any noise or when it happened. Hopefully, the replacement lasts a little longer so my checkbook can afford to get a fully built unit.

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[BrianSD_42]

I've really got to get up to Montana one of these years. Pics look awesome btw.

 

[Black798]

Rear Outboard Shocks!!

After 3 months of waiting, I finally got to put my new rear shock setup together. I went with a set of 2x10 king prerunner series with remote reservoirs and compression adjusters and all I have to say is it is sweet, the ride is much more stable and controlled. It was lot more work than I thought it would be but Im really happy with the results and it was awesome to see a design I came up with sitting in my chem lecture come together and work almost perfectly with only a couple changes.

Pictures of my old setup for referance. Rancho rs5000 shocks made for a stock height 4th gen.
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Comparison shot between new and old
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And what all the kids seem to care about now.... shaft size
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Welded the first mount together
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Tacked in place
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Cycling the suspension and checking at full bump
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I had to go back and modify the mount slightly to gain some clearance with the frame
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Then repeat the process on the other side and was done.

Anyone interested in some "lightly used" rancho shocks...
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I originally wanted to be able to do this without having to notch the frame or run wheel spacers. I was mostly able to accomlish this but unfortunetely will be running 1.25 wheel spacers. The shocks clear the frame by 1/8th of an inch at the closest point but the tire rubs slightly on the back of the reservoir and the shock body at full compression when the axle is articulated.
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Finished Product
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Now to get some different rims and bigger tires

 

[Road Bull]

Well, that's quite an upgrade you got there. Well done! So do you think with the wheel spacers, or wheels with different back spacing that you would clear the reservoirs just fine? Keep up the good work.

 

[Black798]

[MENTION=119532]Road Bull[/MENTION] different backspacing or a spacer would solve the issue. Its really just the side lugs on my tires that are hitting and I had some 1/4 inch spacers laying around and with those on the rubbing was significantly less. I just got the bigger spacers because they are a better design, being a hub adapter rather than an aluminum puck between the wheel and hub.

The wheels I am going to get later this year are scs ray 10s in matte gray, assuming I can get in on an order, but they only come with 4.5 backspacing which is the same as stock wheels. Ideally 3.5 backspacing would be used so the need for a spacer was eliminated.

 

[Road Bull]

[MENTION=119532]Road Bull[/MENTION] different backspacing or a spacer would solve the issue. Its really just the side lugs on my tires that are hitting and I had some 1/4 inch spacers laying around and with those on the rubbing was significantly less. I just got the bigger spacers because they are a better design, being a hub adapter rather than an aluminum puck between the wheel and hub.

The wheels I am going to get later this year are scs ray 10s in matte gray, assuming I can get in on an order, but they only come with 4.5 backspacing which is the same as stock wheels. Ideally 3.5 backspacing would be used so the need for a spacer was eliminated.

Right on. I dig the Ray 10s, but I do wish that they came with more backspacing options. I really like my F5s in 3.5 BS, but my rig doesn't stay clean for long, especially without any fender flares. Hahaha. I think those Rays will look good though. Good luck getting your hands on some.

How are you liking the ride so far?

 

[Black798]

[MENTION=119532]Road Bull[/MENTION] I have been trying for over a year to get a set of those rims but its damn tough when they sell out in 2 minutes. I think Im going to try to just by them 1 or 2 at a time instead of all 5 at once.

So far the ride has been awesome, and very eye-opening. I've only put about 10 miles on them but sections of road I used to think the truck handled well are on a whole new level of smooth. It settles out immediately but isnt harsh at all. It makes the 5100 billies I have up front feel like an old cadillac with blown shocks which means theyll be getting replaced by Kings soon as well. I can see theyre starting to weep from the piston seal so that will be the perfect excuse.

 

[Road Bull]

[MENTION=119532]Road Bull[/MENTION] I have been trying for over a year to get a set of those rims but its damn tough when they sell out in 2 minutes. I think Im going to try to just by them 1 or 2 at a time instead of all 5 at once.

So far the ride has been awesome, and very eye-opening. I've only put about 10 miles on them but sections of road I used to think the truck handled well are on a whole new level of smooth. It settles out immediately but isnt harsh at all. It makes the 5100 billies I have up front feel like an old cadillac with blown shocks which means theyll be getting replaced by Kings soon as well. I can see theyre starting to weep from the piston seal so that will be the perfect excuse.

Well, if you get desperate, and have the money, you could go through a dealer. I was just about to pull the trigger on some Ray 10s and found out I could order them through one of their authorized dealers. They made it sound like it is a sure thing. I was a bit puzzled. I know how hard they are to get and they sell out quickly. They said that they had "X" amount of a few coming in, and that I could just reserve a set of five. They said that they put an order in and pretty much get what they order. I put my order in, but changed my mind a day or so later and went with the easier to get F5s that I ordered through the SCS site. We are lucky because we have two shops that carry SCS here in Washington. To me, going the easy route and getting them through a dealer took the "sport" of it out of the equation. Hahaha.

I am sure those new Kings will get some good use.

 

[Black798]

I may look into going through the dealer if push comes to shove I didnt know that was an option. I'll need new tires by this fall and I have decided on 285s but Id like to get the new rims at the same time so if I don't get a set by then I'll have to go through the dealer.

Ill really be putting the kings through their paces in about a month when I head to Moab, I'm pretty stoked

 

[Black798]

Ray 10 Ordered

[MENTION=119532]Road Bull[/MENTION] thanks for putting the idea of the ray 10s back in my head. Logged onto SCS's sight out of curiosity and would you look at that, they had a whole bunch of Ray 10s in matte gray in stock. Ordered 4. I'll get the fifth one later this year when I make the jump to 33s

Man do I hate this forum and all the money it sucks out of my bank account
Screenshot (3) by Phoenix Black, on Flickr

 

[Road Bull]

[MENTION=121903]Black798[/MENTION] Hahaha.. Tell your bank account that I am sorry for mentioning it. LOL. Those will look great on your rig too. Enjoy!

 

[Black798]

It definitely put a hurting on my bank account but I figure I had to pull the trigger eventually. Super stoked to see how it looks