Black798's 98 limited build thread

[Black798]

Just finishing up some other random things from the last post due to picture count. For an upcoming trip I needed to add a flag, so I just put a quick mount on the tire carrier...
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I also added a set of turnbuckles to the rear cargo box to finally secure it after having it for over a year. I've never had an issue with it moving but figured it I were to roll or crest something too fast or whatever I don't want 150 pounds of tools and wood hitting me in the head. I am also thinking of adding an extension to the front to make it a full-length sleeping platform for when I have solo trips that last longer than a day.

 

[Unner]

Looks good! Where are you going that you need the flag?

 

[Black798]

Looks good! Where are you going that you need the flag?

The St Anthony Sand Dunes in Idaho. I'm taking off Friday when I get done with finals and work for a couple days playing in the sand with some other local Toyota guys. I'll probably cut the flag mount off when I get back and just incorporate a mount into the new roof rack I'm making later this year.

 

[Unner]

The St Anthony Sand Dunes in Idaho. I'm taking off Friday when I get done with finals and work for a couple days playing in the sand with some other local Toyota guys. I'll probably cut the flag mount off when I get back and just incorporate a mount into the new roof rack I'm making later this year.

Nice, sounds like a good time. Good luck with finals!

I put my flag mount on my roof rack as well, really gets it up high and visible.

 

[Black798]

Thanks! I'm really excited to be done with school for a bit and have some time to go play and explore some new places. The last few months have just been a nonstop grind with school and work, minus spring break of course.

 

[theesotericone]

and a cheap harbor freight body saw to make the cut. This thing was totally worth the 20 dollars I spent on it and sure beats using a grinder.

Your rigs looking good man. Nice work on the fenders.

Thanks for the idea of not using a grinder when I do mine. I've never really thought of using a jig saw but that harbor freight tool is basically a jig saw mounted straight instead of at a 90. I think I'll pick up some fine tooth bi-metal blades for my jigsaw and try that route. Looks super clean.

 

[Black798]

Thanks [MENTION=143526]theesotericone[/MENTION]! The fenders were actually a lot less work than I originally was expecting and I really like how they basically look factory.

I think using a jig saw will work out great as long as you keep the blade speed up. It's nice having the fine control over where your cut is going versus the death wheel on a grinder. The blades I used were 24tpi And they seemed to cut quick but weren't agressive enough to have issues with snagging

 

[Black798]

St Anthony Sand Dunes

This last weekend I got out on my first big trip of the summer season. I finished up finals thursday and after getting off of work on Friday met up with a few other guys from the local Toyota club and headed down to Idaho for some fun in the sand.

We rolled into camp around 7:45 and settled in for a night of sitting around the fire, checking out everyone's rigs, and just general BSing. Around 11 [MENTION=54468]RockyT4r[/MENTION], who needs to update his build thread, and his buddy rolled into camp after driving over from Boise.

All together we had a great group of rigs: 74 FJ40 on 37s, 3 FJs on 33s, 2 80 series cruisers on 33s, 2 3rd gens, mine on 33s and Christians on 35s, a 1jz swapped mini truck on 33s, 3rd gen taco, and a 200 series cruiser.

Some of the first pictures everyone took that night and on the drive down...
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The next morning we all got up and ready for the day and waited for the rest of the group to show up that had been driving down from Bozeman that morning. A few days before this trip I made a quick extension to the cargo platform so I could sleep in the truck and it worked awesomely, totally beats a ground tent.

Our camp setup...
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After meeting everyone we went through the usual air down BS session and radio checks where I found out the coax on my CB got messed up and was not allowing me to transmit. At least I could hear what was going on though.
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It didnt take us long to get lost and we all had to stop to figure out where we were going. It was crazy how fast you could get in over your head out here. While I was waiting for one of the trucks to find a route I found a nice rock to flex the truck out on...
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Me breaking trail up one of the bigger dunes...
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Hanging out on the edge with the 80...
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We all stopped for lunch around 12 before heading out to the bigger stuff out in the western area of the dunes.
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We went out a little further and started to play in the bigger bowls. I didn't take many pictures because I decided to just enjoy what I was doing. Plus it was really taking a lot of concentration to drive in this stuff. It's suuuppper soft.

Some pictures from the bigger stuff. Photo credits go to Aaron, @ttfjc on ih8mud...

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Letting the truck cool down a bit. I wasn't really having an overheating issue, but the temps were getting up there, 202 in the motor and 190 in the tranny. I cant say Im surprised though since it was 80 degrees out and I was running it hard at 3500+ rpm climbing big open faces and high marking the bowls for a solid 20 minutes.
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After spending a few hours out here and trying to make it out to the biggest dune, devils dune, we decided to turn around. The 40 was having trouble making up the bigger stuff because its more of a tractor than a sand rail and the red mini truck was starting to have overheating issues.

We spent the rest of the evening hanging out at camp talking about the day and throwing around plans for trips later this year. All I can say there is it's going to be an exciting wheeling season and there's a good chance that in the next couple years I will be attending the TLCA Rubithon which I am super stoked about. The next morning we all decided to just pack up and head home because all of us had work the next day and knew we had a 3-hour drive ahead of us with unpacking still to be done.

My final thoughts on the trip were that it was probably the most fun I have had besides wheeling the truck in Moab. All things considered, it performed great, I got 20.5 MPG going to the dunes and 18.8 on the way back which is just insane because I've barely been getting 15 around home. After this trip, I am absolutely in love with the truck on 33s and honestly, don't see myself going 35s. The trip did highlight a few changes I need to make to the truck though.

First up I need to relocate the air intake, even with the block plate I was still getting a lot of water and stuff in the airbox, at one point I had about 2 inches of sand in it. I will just be performing the deck plate mod and sealing off the stock inlet to solve this.

I also need new front coilovers more than I thought. Within the first 5 minutes of being in the dunes, I hit a big whoop way faster than I should have, the truck went completely airborne and when I came down I was surprised I didn't break anything. The front suspension bottomed so hard that the tries rubbed basically all the way around and I could smell the rubber burning. The rear however felt great and was super smooth because of 10 inch kings... This became the theme throughout the day and I have found the front suspension to be the major limiting factor on the capabilities of the truck. I already had plans to rebuild the front suspension so this is just a matter of time before it's fixed.

The other major change I need to do is the rear cargo platform. What I have now works well but it could be made way more efficient. Id like to do a fridge and slideout with a much more refined sleeping platform. Similar to what [MENTION=67615]Dirtco[/MENTION] has in his truck.

 

[JBurt]

Very cool. Thanks for the trip report. I live 30 minutes from some of the the biggest dunes in the US and I haven't gone. Too many people. It is nice to see 3rd gens in the sand.

I'm excited to see what you do up front and for a sleeping platform.

 

[Unner]

Looks like you guys had an awesome time at the dunes! I had no idea there were sand dunes like that in Idaho.

That tennis ball on your CB antenna, what's your purpose for putting it there? I used to have my antenna on my driver side, but I had to relocate it to the passenger side. Ever since it's been on the passenger side it swings like crazy on the interstate if there's any cross wind. Like so badly I don't know how it hasn't broken yet... I was thinking about putting a tennis ball on there to maybe somehow disturb the motion of it and make it stay still.

Also, I might be making a last minute poorly planned trip to your neck of the woods here in a week or so. Any recommendations on trails to run, and areas with amazing scenery? Right now I know I want to check out Glacier NP, Yellowstone NP, the Tetons, and do a little exploring in MT, ID, WA, and OR as well. Any other suggestions, tips, or guidance for someone who's never been to MT, or that area of the country?

 

[Dezert4Runner]

That tennis ball on your CB antenna, what's your purpose for putting it there?

Keeps the antenna from hitting the body.

 

[Black798]

Very cool. Thanks for the trip report. I live 30 minutes from some of the the biggest dunes in the US and I haven't gone. Too many people. It is nice to see 3rd gens in the sand.

I'm excited to see what you do up front and for a sleeping platform.

I was pleasantly surprised how well the 3rd gen did in the sand. I felt I had decent enough power and it really got around quite well.

Looks like you guys had an awesome time at the dunes! I had no idea there were sand dunes like that in Idaho.

That tennis ball on your CB antenna, what's your purpose for putting it there? I used to have my antenna on my driver side, but I had to relocate it to the passenger side. Ever since it's been on the passenger side it swings like crazy on the interstate if there's any cross wind. Like so badly I don't know how it hasn't broken yet... I was thinking about putting a tennis ball on there to maybe somehow disturb the motion of it and make it stay still.

Also, I might be making a last minute poorly planned trip to your neck of the woods here in a week or so. Any recommendations on trails to run, and areas with amazing scenery? Right now I know I want to check out Glacier NP, Yellowstone NP, the Tetons, and do a little exploring in MT, ID, WA, and OR as well. Any other suggestions, tips, or guidance for someone who's never been to MT, or that area of the country?

Its funny, the area around the dunes is basically flat with a lot of sagebrush and in the middle of all of it are these massive dunes.

Tennis ball is mostly for keeping the antenna from whipping into the body but also does help to dampen the movement by adding some mass to the whip. It still flaps around in the wind pretty good but the ball does help a bit.

Most of the trails around here are still snowed in pretty heavily. We had a longer than usual winter that had an abnormally large snowfall. If you pass through Bozeman though and are looking to do some late season snow wheeling though hit me up. Glacier has some of the best views in the state and there are a few different ways to get there. I'll have to talk to some of my local buddies and I'll let you know about the most scenic route up there.

 

[Unner]

I was pleasantly surprised how well the 3rd gen did in the sand. I felt I had decent enough power and it really got around quite well.




Its funny, the area around the dunes is basically flat with a lot of sagebrush and in the middle of all of it are these massive dunes.

Tennis ball is mostly for keeping the antenna from whipping into the body but also does help to dampen the movement by adding some mass to the whip. It still flaps around in the wind pretty good but the ball does help a bit.

Most of the trails around here are still snowed in pretty heavily. We had a longer than usual winter that had an abnormally large snowfall. If you pass through Bozeman though and are looking to do some late season snow wheeling though hit me up. Glacier has some of the best views in the state and there are a few different ways to get there. I'll have to talk to some of my local buddies and I'll let you know about the most scenic route up there.

Interesting, I'll have to pick up a tennis ball tomorrow and see if it helps control my antenna some. The thing gets crazy at any speed over 70 MPH with a cross wind, I'm afraid it'll end up smacking another vehicle...

Interesting, I guess while all the guys in the Washington, Colorado, and New Mexico area weren't getting snow you guys were getting hammered. I'll hit you up for sure, it might be kinda last minute, I'm trying to throw together a general idea of what all I want to do and when I will be where.

I've heard Glacier is one of the prettiest places in the country, that'd be awesome if you could get some tips from your buddies and pass them along to me!

 

[Black798]

Late season snow wheeling

Today I headed out with some buddies to go make an attempt at running the North Meadow Creek trail, aka FS 965. I wasn't expecting to finish the trail, I ran the trail in October and was in the area a few weeks ago and knew that this area tends to hold snow pretty long but we wanted to see how far up the melt line was. In addition to the snow holding geography, we have had a very long winter with some pretty heavy snowfall.

We met up in Bozeman around 7 and headed out on the hour-long drive to the trailhead. We aired down and headed out on the trail and it was immediately apparent that the snow was much lower than we had anticipated and there had been a light dusting of snow that had come through the previous evening.

Air down poser shot...
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The early part of the trail is just a dirt road and we made quick work of it but had to stop a few times to shake the snow off some low lying trees.
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Once we reached the "official" trailhead we walked the first hundred yards and determined it was worth a shot to see how far we could get. There was a decent size snow drift on the left-hand side of the trail and an easy gatekeeper that when dry is nothing more than a few boulders but in the snow can be a bit of a challenge. Me being the lightest truck I went first to pave the way for the fat pig of an 80 series and the fj was going to follow him.

Looking down the "gatekeeper"
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I was able to get up the first section fairly easily with a decent line choice with the diff locked. It wasn't long though before the combination of the deep snow on the left and the wet loose rocks caused me to slide partially off the trail and get hung up on my gas tank skid. About here is where my day was about to go downhill.

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I jumped out to see what I was hung up on because it felt like the trans skid but I was basically pivoting off the gas tank skid. I was somewhat close to a tree which had me worried and thinking I needed to just winch but looking at it I thought that if I gave it just a little bump the truck would come off the rock and the front tires would grab pulling me away from the tree. I hopped back in backed up as far as the rock would let me, locked the diff, and gave the rock a little bump. The rear end lurched forward but the front end didn't grab and just pushed straight through which resulted in this...

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I radioed down to the other guys what was going on, said some choice words and jumped out of the truck to figure out what to do. We decided to just winch my front end directly to the driver side to get me off the tree and pull forward. With a quick winch and some careful braking, I was able to get the truck to squeeze past the tree.

Heres the aftermath...
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For the immediate fix I just cut the wires to the mirror and threw it in the back. After this, I swapped places with the 80 to see if he could get any further being dual locked. But he didn't make it another 100 feet before he got stuck. We decided to go for a quick walk and determined that we wouldn't be making any worthwhile progress.

I snagged a few cool pictures of the creek that parallels the trail while we were walking...
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We then turned around and headed back out to check out another trail that gets a lot more sun on it. We held a fast pace for a while until we got to the really deep stuff that came out of nowhere. At this point it as about 35 degrees and no matter what I did I couldn't crawl on top of the snow or bash through it. After several full throttle "just send it" attempts to bust through a snow bank I ended up beaching the truck...

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After recovering my truck we decided to just turn around and head home.

Some other random pictures
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Love this setup
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All in all a great day despite the body damage...

Speaking of which I am in the process of tracking down a new door to swap in. So If anyone has one they're willing to sell let me know. Heres a better picture of the damage. The window won't roll down and there's a ton of wind noise but it still opens and closes perfectly.
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[JBurt]

Glad it wasn't worse! Do you think the slider kept you from hitting the door harder?

I'm jealous of the snow. It's already pretty much 100 degrees here every day. Good luck with the door.

 

[Black798]

Glad it wasn't worse! Do you think the slider kept you from hitting the door harder?

I'm jealous of the snow. It's already pretty much 100 degrees here every day. Good luck with the door.

The slider didn't even hit. I came into it off camber so it hit the upper part of the flare and then went into the mirror. I wish it had of hit like 6 inches further back because then I could push the dent out. The majority of the damage came from the mirror mount being pushed back and in.

 

[theesotericone]

It sucks when you ding things but at least you recovered it. Hope you find a new cheap door soon.

In the meantime keep after it and keep any hard obstacles on the passenger side. lol

 

[octanejunkie]

Bit of a bummer, especially since y'all didn't finish the trail

GLWF!

 

[octanejunkie]

The 4x inovation sliders come with mounting plates and gussets. already included, you just have to weld them togeter. I modified these slightly so that the sliders were easy to take off but still very strong. So I got some .120 wall pipe that allows the slider to be bolted on but be as strong as if they were welded. Jacking the truck up with the hi lift the sliders do flex some but I think it was because the bolts weren't tight. Here is the mount on the frame.

I was thinking of something like this too. Has it proven useful?

 

[Black798]

It sucks when you ding things but at least you recovered it. Hope you find a new cheap door soon.

In the meantime keep after it and keep any hard obstacles on the passenger side. lol

Exactly. No one got hurt, it's easily fixable, and it still got me home. I think the most irritating thing is that the passenger door was totally straight but the driver's door has a bunch of dings in it so I kinda wish I had hit that side instead. I think I found a door in Fort Collins Colorado, I need to call tomorrow and see about price and everything and find someone to pick it up for me.

Bit of a bummer, especially since y'all didn't finish the trail

GLWF!

We were a long ways from finishing it, I think at most we were 300 yards into the real trail. The problem is that in the winter its a snowmobile trail so the center is packed and the sides are just mush.

I was thinking of something like this too. Has it proven useful?

Yes and no. The one time I took my sliders off to paint them yes it was very helpful. Lately, I've just been too lazy to repaint them because they get scratched so quickly. I wish I had spent more time getting the alignment of the mounts correct as well, they bind up just a little which makes getting them off take quite a bit of beating with a hammer. It's nice though to be able to pull them without cutting and rewelding though