Black798's 98 limited build thread

Quick update on the whole crinkled door situation. I located and purchased a replacement today. Was actually not too hard to find one either. The door and mirror I bought is off of a 98 limited with 186k on the clock and the paint looks to be in pristine condition. Ended up paying 160 dollars for the complete assembly which isn't bad in my eyes considering as I took it to a body shop today out of curiosity and they quoted well over 1000 to fix it. I'm hoping the paint will match well considering the donor truck only has 3k more miles and lived in a similar climate. I won't know for a few weeks though because it is located in Fort Collins, Colorado. My buddy who was driving the 80 series offered to pick it up when he's down there in a few weeks so by the end of the month everything should be fixed. Fingers crossed.
 
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Cleaning up pictures and getting everything caught up in here before my next post.

So when I originally clearanced the front fenders for the 33s I had to remove the inner fender liner which posed an issue. There was essentially a giant vacuum sitting inside the fender and it was totally exposed to any mud, water, etc that got flung in there. To help solve that I removed the longer section of the stock "snorkel" and made a plate to help shield the intake from flying debris.

The only problem with it was that it really didn't work. When I was down at the sand dunes I had to dump my air filter out multiple times because it was totally packed with sand and the truck would start running weird. I also found that in the rain the water was still finding a way into the box.

This obviously wasn't something I could just deal with. Ideal I would run a snorkel but there's a couple problem with that. 1 I really don't like the look of them on these trucks, and 2 I'm a poor college kid and cant afford to spend 400 dollars on a stupid piece of plastic.

Enter the deckplate, its a fairly common "mod" people do to gain an astounding 7 horse power but by the time you factor in the altitude, for my truck, it at most could give me a gain of around 2 hp, nothing I would ever feel. But it does work decently well for rerouting the intake.

I started by cutting the hole for the 4 inch deckplate...
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Then I installed it with some grey permatex and the 6 screw to give it a nice solid and professional attachment. I also added a small sink drain strainer as a sort of prefilter to catch the big stuff...
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Last I took the scrap from the deckplate hole and cut it down to fit in the stock inlet. I then siliconed it in place to make it semi removable should I need to. I also made a small block off plate out of aluminum for the hole in the fender to keep all the stuff out...
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Installed...
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Next up was the washer fluid tank. I constanly rubbed on this if the suspension was compressed at all with the new tires. So much so that I had nearly melted a hole through the box. I decided to remove the stock box and downsize it to gain some more room. I picked up a small 1.5 qt coolant overflow at autozone for 7 dollars the relocate the tank. Originally I wanted it in the engine bay but it just wouldnt fit. Heres what I came up with instead. Cut the filler neck off the original and then glued it into the new tank...
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Last up the door. A few days after I wrecked my last one on a tree I located a new one in Fort Collins. It was on a 98 limited with 186k that had been hit on the other side. Seeing as my truck had 183k I figured the paint would match pretty well. Thankfully my buddy was also in Fort Collins and offered to drive it back for me. I also found a new mirror for cheap on ebay and had it shipped in. I wasnt as concerned with the mirror paint because I could repaint them to match the flares if I had to. All in it cost me 220 dollars for everything

Old Door...
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New Door...
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Installed after swapping the window, door handle, speaker, and cladding spending an hour removing the stupid factory pin stripes and then buffing the shit out of it. The paint on the mirror and door cleaned up great and match the rest of the truck flawlessly.
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That should about cover everything I have changed before my most recent trip. I also found out I need a new CB, my current one receives fine but it wont transmit despite the antenna being tuned perfectly, the receiver just gets a lot of static and the range sucks. Its tough spending money on a new CB knowing that I will be getting my HAM license next week and setting up a HAM in the truck but CB is way more common so I think its a must have. Expect a picture dump shortely.
 
Ringing Rocks & Elkhorn Mine

Day 1

This last weekend I took the truck out to run a couple of trails. Altogether over 100 miles of dirt was covered and a lot of good scenery was seen.

The ringing rocks trail is a back way into the tourist attraction where the rocks "ring" when they get it with a hammer. Elkhorn is an old mine and ghost town that is in the mountains northeast of Boulder.

I met up with my buddy Aaron in the FJ Saturday morning at 9 in the target parking lot and after waiting for a bit to make sure there were no people joining last minute we headed out. We jumped on I90, set the cruise at 80 and headed the 56 miles to Whitehall. In Whitehall we met up with his brother Justin who had driven over from Missoula in his solid axle swapped Xterra.

We then headed north on Whitehall road for 16 miles and turned off onto Hay Canyon Road AKA FS 8596. At the turnoff we aired down with a nice view.

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After airing down we headed out splashing through the hub deep puddles left behind by the recent rains.

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After about 8 miles we reached the junction of FS 8596 and FS1579. We did a quick map check and saw that FS 8599 would loop us back to Whitehall road so we opted to take the right fork and head uphill on FS 1579.

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A little way up we came to the first washed out hill. The easy line on the right, less traveled on the right, and "hardest" straight up the middle. We took a quick look and decided I would go up first and take the center line. Walked right up it in 4 low.

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The next section of trail was pretty narrow and wound its way through the trees. This had me a little on edge after the recent incident with the door. We soon came to the junction of FS 8596 and FS8599 where we stopped to have lunch and I flew the drone around for a bit.

Coming into lunch and getting a little flexy

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After lunch we decided to head up FS 8599 just to check out the view up top, after scouting with the drone it looked pretty impressive. We weren't disappointed but the trail was getting super narrow so we headed back downhill.

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Ringing Rocks Day 1 Continued

Down the trail from where we had lunch we came to a pretty washed out section, there was an easy bypass to the right and the left line looked like it hadn't seen traffic in a while but I decided I'd give it a go. I dropped in and instantly realized the soil was way looser than I originally thought and found my first line was going to result in major body damage. On came the compressor and the cheater switch so I could back up and reset. I moved my front end 3 feet to the driver side and started to straddle the V notch.

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Unfortunately, the rear end didn't follow and I came down on the slider and was unable to move backwards to reset again. So I eased the truck forward and then it popped off the tree root snagging my rear flair along the way and pulling it off. I instantly thought I trashed the rear door but after coming down off the obstacle I found I didn't even break any of the plastic clips and with a quick smack the flare was back on. Pics or it didnt happen right?

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After that excitement, we headed down another 100 yards and came across another wash, this one more challenging but with the same bypass to the right. Aaron ran this trail last year and said that a mostly stock 200 series did this section so it obviously really washed out this year. Everyone looked at it and opted to not do it, myself included, but walking back up to the truck I decided what the hell Ill give it a go. Im developing a bad habit of dropping the truck down things I know I shouldn't. I think that's because the trails here go from really easy to really hard in a hurry and I get bored always taking the easy line.

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A little ways further we came to the major water crossing. Since I was wearing my usual wheeling shoes, chacos, I waded out into the creek to check the bottom and depth. I was around 3 feet deep but had a very solid bottom so we sent Aaron in the FJ through first.

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I followed and then Justin in the Xterra
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We started heading out towards the ringing rocks but stopped at this run down cabin. Since all of us had seen the ringing rocks we opted to backtrack and look for a good spot to set up camp instead.

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Once we got back to the river crossing though, the Xterra had developed a really bad exhaust leak and was running super rough. After taking a quick look I found the passenger exhaust manifold had cracked clean off right in front of the O2 sensor which I think was causing the computer to freak out because it wasn't getting proper readings.

Justin didn't feel comfortable going further back with the truck quickly deteriorating so he turned around and headed out the short way while Aaron and I headed back across the creek.

This was a little sketchy with my air intake being so low but the airbox stayed totally dry.
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Once we were back at the wash I decided to give it a shot going up.
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I ran into trouble here though due to a bad line and the sandy soil that the tires were just digging into it. A front locker may have been the key here but I was also sitting on both the rear control arms and the driveshaft so I opted to winch my self up a few feet to avoid sawing the driveshaft in half. Smooth sailing after that.

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Yes that tire is in the air about a foot and a half
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After this we drove another mile to a nice little clearing where wes setup camp for the night and enjoyed the mosquitos that were relentless. Even with a decent fire they were just going non stop.

To be continued...
 
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Ringing Rocks & Elkhorn Mine Day 2

We got an early start Sunday morning. The plan was to continue backtracking on the ringing rocks trail to Whitehall Rd and head North to Boulder to get fuel and meet up with two other trucks to then run the Elkhorn Mine trail, FS 8546.

This is a pretty easy trail, a few water crossings, some small rocks, and some decent washouts.

We broke camp and left around 7 continuing to backtrack the path from the day before. We made good time and reached Whitehall Rd around 8:30. We then turned left and head north 20 miles into the small town of Boulder where we got gas and pulled off into a parking lot to wait for the other trucks.

While we were waiting a random Jeep guy pulled up and asked where we were headed. We got to talking and he said there was a good chance we would be stopped by snow pretty early on. Looking at the mountains we took the warning with a grain of salt seeing as there was no visible snow.

The other two trucks showed up at 10 and we headed down State Highway 69 to the turnoff for Willow Springs RD, following this for a short distance and then turning off onto Elkhorn Road. 8 miles later we reached the turnoff for FS 8546.

After airing down we took off making quick work of all the little creek crossings and anything else. This was all super easy and I didn't even use 4wd, hence the lack of pictures.

After an hour and a half, we had climbed out of the trees and stopped at this bluff for lunch. There were views for miles and we took the chance for some lineup shots and for me to play on the rocks and show off the 10-inch kings.

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After lunch we started to head the last half mile to the mine, I took the lead since historically my truck has been the best in the snow and I had the most experience with snow wheeling and there was a good chance we would see some. Not long after we hit the first snow patch. Que the ARB compressor noise and airlocker coming on. 3 attempts later I was through and the other trucks followed.

Taco
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Minivan... sorry 5th gen guys
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I jumped in the truck and headed up further and a few hundred yards later hit a bigger drift that was solid on the uphill side and very soft on the downhill. With a little finesse, I was able to crawl over it and make a nice road.

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The next drift wasn't so easy. I tried the same approach of crawling it but got impatient and beached myself. Unable to move and leaning hard to the downhill I took a winch to keep moving forward. Front locker may have made the difference here...

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The other three trucks ended up getting stuck in the same hole and all had to winch.

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We then had to cut a tree off the trail and made it another 100 yards before we hit a really deep patch. I took a few runs at it but wasn't making any significant progress. We opted to take a hike and determined we were shut down. The snow was only getting deeper and the trail made a right hand off camber turn before turning downhill to the mine.

Denied again by the snow... Only 200 yards or so short of the mine.
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Overall it was an awesome trip. Met some new people, looked at some sweet trucks and got to push my limits. I will say the truck needs gears BAD. On the flats, I can run 80 easily but any major hill has me sitting at 65 with my foot to the floor at 4000 rpm. Not ideal so 4.88s are on the list along with a front locker.
 
I like hearing all those references to getting a front locker and gears. That’ll get you in and out of way more trouble haha.

Looks like a fun trip! It’s making me miss wheeling. I haven’t had the BeerRunner out for a day in the dirt for way too long. Sooo much more work to and no time to do it is killing me.
 
I like hearing all those references to getting a front locker and gears. That’ll get you in and out of way more trouble haha.

Looks like a fun trip! It’s making me miss wheeling. I haven’t had the BeerRunner out for a day in the dirt for way too long. Sooo much more work to and no time to do it is killing me.

I've got a spare diff and everything to do the locker and gears except the money. As soon as I do the rear diff is coming out and both are being sent to ECGS to be rebuilt regeared and the front locked with an ARB. I need to get it done before I run the Rubicon next year anyway I know it will get me in more trouble, the rear already does. But it will be really nice to have that IDGAF option when I need it. The taco that was with us was dual locked and the amount of control he had over me with just the rear was amazing.

The gears are basically a necessity, the truck is already heavy and its not getting any lighter. It will be nice to have some more grunt because I really struggled to keep up with the new trucks on the highway, in the rocks I had the clear advantage due to size and visibility though.
 
I know it will get me in more trouble, the rear already does.


Think of it this way. Use the rear to get you into trouble. Use the front to get you out. Last week my front saved the day. Without it there is no way I could have gotten out of the spot I was in. I know cause I tried for 10 minutes before I flipped the front toggle. 30 seconds later I was free.
 
That is exactly my thoughts on it. They key is being smart about it, know when to use them. If you're approaching something you know you can do open open then don't touch the lockers. If you start getting into trouble flip the rear. And as a last resort the front. The front you just have to be careful with and when used right it can be extremely helpful. If you just go charging in dual locked all the time you are guaranteed to dig yourself a deeper hole.
 
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My thing is always 2wd locked until I get into something, then I go into 4wd. I pretty much never touch the dirt without my rear locker engaged.
 
Or ya know just 2wd locked because broken front diff... Lol. I always run 4wd and then only engage the rear locker when I need it and turn it off as soon as I don't. Nice thing about the ARB is it will engage and disengage basically instantly unlike most e lockers
 
Phoenix, I've really enjoyed reading the last few pages of your thread. You have been getting after it with the wheeling, and your photography captures the trips in such a way that I can imagine I was along for the ride.

Your attention to detail is paying off, and it looks like the 4Runner is performing amazingly well on the trail. As always, keep up the good work, and thanks for taking the time to write up the mods/trips so well.

RE the washer reservoir relocation, the funny part was that I came in from wrapping up the install, was checking out your thread, and saw that you had just posted about doing the same thing.
 
Thanks for the kind works Nick. I've really been trying to focus more on documenting the trips and trails rather than just the truck itself. It's fun for me to be out and while wheeling always be thinking of how I will be able to use a certain picture or something to add to the write up.

As far as my washer fluid tank I really don't know why I rub so bad there. I had literally melted a hole most of the way through the stock tank just from daily driving. I blame this partly because I have no sway bars and a lot of body roll when turning tight. But it will only get worse when I add SPC arms and move the tire further forward so I'm going to have to see if I can reposition the exsisting tank or get a smaller one. I think I'm going to copy you though and ditch the rear washer system. I can't even remember the last time I used that
 
HAM Radio Install

Those of you that follow me on Instagram will know that about a week ago I took the HAM license test and passed getting my technician license. Those of you that don't, well now ya know. I've wanted a HAM in the truck for a while now and since the cost of the equipment has come down significantly and a lot of the guys I wheel with also have HAMs I decided now was the time to get one.

Just for the fun of it, I'll give a little bit of insight into the world og HAM and how they are different from CBs for anyone who might be considering getting their license and a radio to either replace their CB or add to their coms system.

Most of us are familiar with CBs, or Citizen Band radios which operate in the HF, 26.9650 MHz to 27.4050 MHz range. They are basically the goto radio for 4x4s because they're cheap, don't require a license, usually have adequate range, and basically, everyone has one in their rig. While CBs are perfectly fine for most people and when setup properly produce pretty consistent results, they do have a few pitfalls. One of these is that they are a line of sight radio, meaning they can not transmit through objects, they rely on the signal traveling directly from the transmitting antenna to the receiving antenna. So if you have a big hill, lots of trees, or rock in the way your signal will quickly degrade and reduce your effective range. The other major weakness with a CB is the transmit power restrictions, due to FCC regulations CBs are only permitted to have a transmit at a power of 4 watts. There are ways to increase the transmit power but they're technically illegal. The other option for better radio quality is to change the type of radio you are using, enter the world of HAM.

HAM is a type of amateur radio that uses several different frequency bands, has much higher power level restrictions, and in the right conditions can have a range that reaches around the globe along with the nationwide network of repeaters that can extend you signal. In the U.S. there are to major HAM bands, the 2 meter band (144.000 MHz to 148.000 MHz) and the 70 cm or 440 band (430.000 MHz – 440.000 MHz.) The major advantages of HAM are that your output power isn't very limited, depending on your license level your transmit power can exceed 100 watts, greater level of audio quality, and a range that can easily double that of a CB. There is literally an endless amount of information on HAM but rather than bore everyone with that Ill get onto the install.

Cost Breakdown:
Radioddity QB25 quad-band HAM with antenna: $114.99
TRAM 3251 coax cable: $26.98
Uniden Pro 520XL CB: $47.53
Workman SWR2T SWR meter: $25.99
Total: $215.49

Some may notice the new cb in the parts list. That's because over the last few months my old Cobra 19DXIV Cb had started having issues transmitting and after some testing, I determined that the transmitter had gone bad. Symptoms were that it would receive crystal clear, SWR was a perfect 1:1, but when I would transmit I had about a 20 foot range and even then there was a ton of interference. I decided on the new Uniden unit because it was now cheaper than the Cobra and would fit in the same mounting location

The HAM I decided on was a Radioddity QB25, I chose this radio for a few reasons. 1, I have a couple buddies who also use this radio and really like it, 2, for its price it is packed with features that many more expensive units don't have, and 3, it's super tiny. It literally fits in the palm of my hand.

The location I choose to install it was directly under the CB, this way it is out of the way, relatively accessible, and visible from the driver's seat. First up was to tear the dash aprart, remove the old CB and then replace it with the new one. The ne Uniden is the exact same width as the Cobra and about a 1/2 inch shorter in height.

Comparison of the tree radios, Cobra on the left, Uniden center, and HAM on the right...
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Mounting the HAM was the next challenge I had to figure out. There wasn't really any good way to make a bracket due to the limited space. What I ended up doing was using a really long ziptie to secure the rear of the HAM to the CB and then some JB Weld quick steel to securely tie to the two together. In this picture, it looks a little ghetto but once everything is installed you cant even see the JB weld ad it looks really nice.
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After I had the two radios mounted it was on to the wriring. I decided to ditch the original wiring I had for the CB in an effort to clean up the in dash wiring and to add the ability to run both radios without the truck running so when Im sitting at camp I can monitor stations. To do this I tied both radio harnesses together right out of the radio, leaving an independent fuse for each radio, and then ran a power and ground lead to the power inverter under the driver's seat. This worked great because it has a strong chassis ground and a direct power line to the battery.

After the wiring was dialed I needed to mount the antenna. Ideally, the antenna would be up on the roof of the truck for the best reception and transmit signals but seeing as I regularly drive through low hanging trees this wasn't very practical and I could see the antenna getting broken very easily. I decided to go to the next best location which was the front fender area since it was well away from the CB antenna to prevent any interference, I can keep an eye on the antenna to make sure it doesn't get snagged, and allowed the antenna to somewhat clear the top of the cab to give me the best signals I can get in my situation.

I made a small aluminum bracket at work that mounts to the hood hinge inside the fender and keeps the antenna mount low profile so it isn't visible when the antenna is off.
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I then routed the coax in through where the stock radio coax came in, down the door sill, under the back eat, and back up the center console to the radio. This way I didnt end up with a big coil of wire in he dash. After that everything just got put back together how it came out. I'm really looking forward to testing out the new radio. So far I have been able to have a clear conversation with someone that was 20 miles away, hook it up to a set of walkie talkies, and listen in on the police radios.

Final install...
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Twin Lakes/Road to redemption

Over the past couple of weeks I have been able to spend some more time camping out with friends and wheeling the truck on some more difficult trails.

Over the past few weeks, Montana has been getting a ton of rain which has made all the trails super green and also very muddy. Two weeks ago on one of the rainy Sundays I got bored and decided to go see how the snow melt was on the Twin Lakes trail, this is the trail that I wrecked my passenger door on.

I left my house around the 10, hit the highway and then took Norris Road out of four corners to Norris, arriving in Norris around 11. I aired down behind the gas station in my usual spot and headed west out across revenue flats and then onto FS 965, aka Twin Lakes trail.

Some "wildlife" out in the flats
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I started up the trail and quickly reached the point where I hit the tress. It was easy to see by the large gouge left in the bark from my mirror. All I have to say is I was a complete idiot for trying that trail in the snow, the point I hit the tree was a good 7 feet off the trail and the entire trail is ridiculously tight and covered in 10-inch boulders that love to slide you around.

I continued on until I reached a spot where there was a decent size tree laying across the trail. It was clear some razors had been coming through and going off the trail but I'm not about that so the tree had to be cut and of course my stupid ass forgot to bring the chainsaw. Out came the trusty Fiskars axe and I had the tree gone in about 10 minutes. Also took some poser shots in the fog...

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Continuing up the trail the fog started getting thicker making it super eerie. I basically didn't see anyone else all day and it was dead silent. Super unnerving. I stopped again to take some pictures and flex the truck out
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Working my way through the technical sections I made good time up to the lake where I hit a very off camber snow drift that was still lingering despite the rains and warm weather. With some careful footwork and the rear locker, I was able to make it over the snow without touching the massive rock that the snow leaned me towards.

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Right after the snow though I reached the end of the trail at the lake. Normally there is an awesome view here but the fog was so thick I couldn't see past the water's edge.
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Overall a great day and I feel like I finally got the closure I needed with the body damage to get it out of my system and start pushing the truck again.

I also ended up leading a group up this trail the following weekend. Heres some of the highlights...

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I started up the trail and quickly reached the point where I hit the tress. It was easy to see by the large gouge left in the bark from my mirror. All I have to say is I was a complete idiot for trying that trail in the snow, the point I hit the tree was a good 7 feet off the trail and the entire trail is ridiculously tight and covered in 10-inch boulders that love to slide you around.


There's something so satisfying about getting back on a trial that beat you. Redemption is becoming a theme around here. I'm all for it.

How did outboarding those Kings work out? Any trouble at all with clearance at full stuff? I'm talking to Filthy about custom lengths using the stock mounts. I'm pretty sure I'll keep the stock mounting set-up but would like to here about other avenues as well.
 
There's something so satisfying about getting back on a trial that beat you. Redemption is becoming a theme around here. I'm all for it.

How did outboarding those Kings work out? Any trouble at all with clearance at full stuff? I'm talking to Filthy about custom lengths using the stock mounts. I'm pretty sure I'll keep the stock mounting set-up but would like to here about other avenues as well.

Outboarding the rear shocks is probably one of my favorite things I have done to the truck, besides the locker of course. It greatly improved the ride characteristics and stability and it isn't something many people do.

As far as clearance issues, there are none to speak of. I spent a lot of time designing the mounts to maximize clearance with my given tire and wheel setup and all that and got kind of lucky and had everything work perfectly on my first set. This was also why I went with 10-inch travel shocks rather than 12s, the 10s just made packaging a little easier along with still allowing plenty of travel over my original setup with the stock mounts.

Here is the clearance between the tire and shock components at near full flex. I just did this in my garage a minute ago because its pouring rain so this was the best I can do with the floor jack. At full flex its a little tighter but not much
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The clearance between the frame and shock body at full droop. This one actually is full droop, taken a few weeks ago.
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As you can see clearance is tight but it does clear and I have never had any contact between the shock and the frame or tire.

So onto travel numbers which is the important part. Where I have the shock angle set at (7 degrees forward) I have an equal 5.25 inches of vertical wheel travel both up and down. When I fully articulate I am able to get a total of 17.5 inches of articulation. Realistically I cant go much more than this because my driveshaft flange just barely clears the actual gas tank, not the skid, the tank when the driverside is fully stuffed and the links start to bind in the mounts. With this amount of travel, I feel like it also is a good realistic number for this vehicle and is all usable. I've found that by the time I run out of travel I'm in a situation where an additional inch or 2 wouldn't help. Yes, every little bit helps but I feel like there is a point of diminishing return. I also never have had an issue running out of vertical travel even going very fast and loaded down across all sorts of terrain.

So with my current wheel setup, 4 inch backspacing -12mm offset I don't really have room for much tire width over a 285, I may be able to squeeze a 35 in there but it may just barely rub the shock body and upper mount. This could be avoided by notching the frame a little and pushing the upper mount further in but I wanted to avoid this and will only do that if I ever go to 35s which I feel is unlikely.
 
So onto travel numbers which is the important part. Where I have the shock angle set at (7 degrees forward) I have an equal 5.25 inches of vertical wheel travel both up and down. When I fully articulate I am able to get a total of 17.5 inches of articulation.



Weird. Where are you measuring from when you are measuring your inches of articulation? I measured from hub center. I’m running 12” shocks at more of an angle and I’m barely getting a 1/4” more than you.
My shock angles are pretty terrible right now since pushing my axle back so much, but at full bump I’m at 33° angle and full droop I’m at 12° angle. Haven’t measured what it will be at ride height yet though.
 

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