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CutthroatSlam
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Shame on for not using OEM Toyota oil.
Captain Spalding
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Kirkland oil is GF-5. An obsolete grade. Toyota recommends GF-6A.
(I’m kidding. They are practically the same.)
(I’m kidding. They are practically the same.)
BlueHenT4R
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Not unusual to see high wear metals in the factory fill, as well as visible metal particles on the first oil filter. That's why I do a 1k mile change. Probably unnecessary, but cheap peace of mind.
Captain Spalding
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Okay. Oil related question. When I did mt first oil change in 1976, I was instructed by my Dad to warm up the engine first. So I took the car for a short drive, and then of course I scalded myself when I removed the drain pan plug and the hot oil started to pour out. In those days it was necessary to warm up the oil because it was straight 30 weight oil and if cold would take a long time to drain.
And I have stuck with that regimen ever since. A month ago I did the first oil change on my 4Runner. The first vehicle I’ve owned that used 0W-20 oil. When cold, that stuff pours like pancake syrup. I bet it takes more time going for that warm-up drive than it saves in oil-draining time. So with such thin oil, why bother warming up the engine before an oil change?
Thoughts?
And I have stuck with that regimen ever since. A month ago I did the first oil change on my 4Runner. The first vehicle I’ve owned that used 0W-20 oil. When cold, that stuff pours like pancake syrup. I bet it takes more time going for that warm-up drive than it saves in oil-draining time. So with such thin oil, why bother warming up the engine before an oil change?
Thoughts?
One good reason is to homogenize the oil “mixture”. Helping to suspend everything that is in there within the oil so that it drains out with the oil rather than remaining “stuck” to the oil pan, walls, etc…
^This!
There's a lot of crap in the oil that settles out after you turn off the engine and let it cool. If you drain the oil when cold all that crap is still sitting in the bottom of your oil pan. General recommendations are to at least let the engine warm up. Myself, I only change the oil after the vehicle has been driven for at least several miles and the oil is hot and all that crap is suspended in the oil so it can all drain out.
Captain Spalding
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You guys are probably right.
Yep.
Former master tech at toyota and independent shops. I've seen the crap that gets left behind when motor oil is drained cold, even overnight. I always drain the oil out of my own vehicles when the oil is still at full operating temp after the engine has run long enough to achieve that.
Former master tech at toyota and independent shops. I've seen the crap that gets left behind when motor oil is drained cold, even overnight. I always drain the oil out of my own vehicles when the oil is still at full operating temp after the engine has run long enough to achieve that.
Captain Spalding
Member
Hot then. I’ll consider the matter settled. As a former master tech, what is your opinion of the Fumoto drain valve, or similar?
CutthroatSlam
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Toyota ^^^ OEM oil user, no doubt.
Whippersnapper02
Senior Member
I have used it before and didn’t have issues. It’s made by Warren Distribution which makes many other brands. I personally prefer Amsoil but sometimes I forget to order so I grab what’s at Costco.
The Toyota oil fappers don’t realize that Toyota doesn’t make oil and they use whoever meets their budget and basic needs for the engine. Using something else is fine because the engine doesn’t care what brand you use and cares more about viscosity and change intervals.
The Toyota oil fappers don’t realize that Toyota doesn’t make oil and they use whoever meets their budget and basic needs for the engine. Using something else is fine because the engine doesn’t care what brand you use and cares more about viscosity and change intervals.
ExxonMobil has made the oil for Toyota for years.
Whippersnapper02
Senior Member
Fits the budget.
I feel sarcasm in that. However, there are much more things in modern engine oil, that just viscosity, but oil base and additives. As of today, only Amsoil much closer in additives package to OEM Toyota. And it has only 200 parts of Molybdenum, where Toyota has 700. it is possible to achieve high "slickness" of oil by other scientific methods without making product of very high price. And Exxon Mobil 1 does just that, with Molybdenum (very expensive) only 90. Rest of the guys just mix oil, stealing recipe from major manufacturers and ordering additives from same supplier. Anyone would do it, having spend millions on start up company and with right bribing connections. For General Population marketing is only oil "weight".
If it is visible to the naked eye, wouldn't it be caught in the oil filter?
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