Brakes - Why do they suck so bad!

I was mostly joking about a pedal commander. What you could do pretty easily is just swap the pedal arm for a custom one with a 10 or 15% difference in leverage. Is it worth it? not to me. I think the brakes are just fine as they are.
 
I felt like my brake pedal was the same, so I installed Hawk LTS pads, new OEM rotors and bled the system. This made a big difference in how the pedal feels. The pads dust more, and won't last 75k miles like OEM, but it's worth it.
 
I am on my 3rd 5th gen 4runner and the brakes are not very good. They work but are a bit touchy between normal braking and harder braking.
 
FWIW, I'm only about 10 days into owning a 2018 and I haven't really figured out the brakes yet. They're either a little soft or I stop on a dime and launch my kids through the windshield... haven't really found that middle ground yet. I assume that it's there... just learning the new vehicle, I assume...
 
1966 FJ40 = brakes suck

2002 Sequoia = brakes suck

2015 TRD 4runner = brakes suck

Seems Toyota has not figured out brakes in a LONG time, but its all good because my cars are still on the road today...
 
We all know what we wan't.........but on the 4Runner it seems harder than other vehicles to alter the components to get there. I'll keep trying things to improve it....even a little.
 
My wife has a 2016 SR5 Premium and I have a 2076 Off-Road.
Her brakes are a lot more sensitive than mine.
Both original OEM brakes.

Mine don’t feel bad, I guess, just takes more foot pressure than hers.
They’re certainly not as bad as a 2013 Tundra I had.

First off, since no one else has done it, I'd like to be the first to welcome you back to 2018. I have a lot of questions, but I will try to limit myself. I am sure that working with such rudimentary communication devices is difficult to adjust to. Also, I am sure you have better ways to spend your limited time on your nostalgia tour than to explain the everyday life in the future.

Without further fluff, here are some questions:

First, when did the 6th generation 4runner come out. If you tell me the 2076 4runner is STILL based on the 5th gen with no improvements, I may jump out a damn window.


Next, are there many trails in the future. I would imagine after the nuclear holocaust things got a lot more wide open for travel. Perhaps you are driving on the old highway system? I could only imagine with the flying cars that they would not see much use after.


Last, what's time travel like? I've always assumed it would be all cool in a DeLorian, but I feel it would probably be more like Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, crammed in an old phone booth.

Anyway, thanks again for your time. Enjoy the past.

PS. Post photos of that 2076 Toyota 4runner Off-Road.
 
Lot of whining in this thread. You ain't experienced crap brakes until you drive a GMT 400 era Suburban. I have a '99 K2500 4wd Suburban w/ 6.5 diesel. Original front brakes were single piston caliper disc. Stopping power was horrible. TSB called for a new proportioning valve to increase pressure to rear brakes. Still not good. Stainless lines. Still not good. Finally went yard and did a conversion to the GMT 800 front discs with massive dual piston calipers and larger pads. Guys have seen 200+K out of these pads, compared to the 15K I'd see out of the stock pads. We have a second home at Big Bear Lake, CA in the San Bernardino mountains which is at 6,750'. So the truck sees a lot of work and although I try to use the engine as much as possible, the brakes get a workout.

The pictures tell the story. There is no comparing the stopping power to the old stock brakes. When I look at my wife's 2014 SR5 4Runner, its got nice 4 piston brake calipers, IIRC. Totally impressed with the 4Runner stopping power compared to old brakes on my Suburban. So stop your whining and trouble shoot and fix your brakes.

After conversion (first 2 pics) and before conversion (3rd pic). In the plans is a swap to a GMT 800 14 bolt full floater rear axle with disc brakes.
 

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For those of us who want more... Has anyone done a tundra TRD brake kit on a 4runner?

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I had to make what was basically a panic stop once while driving on an interstate at about 75. I was very impressed. Stopped quickly and very straight as well. Nothing wrong with my brakes.SR5 2012.
 
For those of us who want more... Has anyone done a tundra TRD brake kit on a 4runner?

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Not likely to happen anytime soon. 07+ tundras have 5 on 6.5 bolt pattern and different hubs/splines etc. So not very compatible. pre-07 tundras have smaller brakes.

But I love the idea of a tundra front and rear axle swap for long travel and super beefy parts. Tundra running gear super beefy. And stock tundra suspension can have 12+" of travel with just shock upgrades. Tundra parts are as big or often bigger than an F250 for comparison. Here's a pair of wheel bearings side by side: Tundra left, F250/F350 right
tundravsf250b.jpg
 
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That's impressive!
Not likely to happen anytime soon. 07+ tundras have 5 on 6.5 bolt pattern and different hubs/splines etc. So not very compatible. pre-07 tundras have smaller brakes.

But I love the idea of a tundra front and rear axle swap for long travel and super beefy parts. Tundra running gear super beefy. And stock tundra suspension can have 12+" of travel with just shock upgrades. Tundra parts are as big or often bigger than an F250 for comparison. Here's a pair of wheel bearings side by side: Tundra left, F250/F350 right
tundravsf250b.jpg

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