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[MTD]

Well after about an hour's worth of searching I'd like to verify; is ARB the ONLY aftermarket bumper option that offers a crumple/crush zone ("airbag compliant")?

Is that a requirement for where you live or something? Not trying to play devils advocate just really curious I just know around here we just need a bumper for the rear of the truck lol front bumpers are literally optional

 

[DanKendall6]

Dirt king in san diego

 

[shootmymime]

[MENTION=9139]steezemcqueen[/MENTION]

Add Trail gears front bumper with stinger to the front page please!

 

[4eigner]

Is that a requirement for where you live or something? Not trying to play devils advocate just really curious I just know around here we just need a bumper for the rear of the truck lol front bumpers are literally optional

Not a requirement that I know of. Just looking to get the safest option for my passengers & myself. If it helps prevent or negate a lawsuit, even better.

 

[MTD]

Not a requirement that I know of. Just looking to get the safest option for my passengers & myself. If it helps prevent or negate a lawsuit, even better.

Good point, safety should be first, and the protection it provides from a lawsuit is a good thing to keep in mind as well.

 

[Limbwalker]

Savage with Standard grill guard.
Im thinking of getting the Addicted rear, though

 

[MTD]

Savage with Standard grill guard.
Im thinking of getting the Addicted rear, though

Looks good man!! No shame in mixing and matching armor that just means moar stickers!!! Lol

 

[4eigner]

To any of the bumper manufacturers/fabricators on this forum:

Is it that much more difficult to include a crush/crumple zone on the bumper? I would think that this would be a strong selling point...

There've been almost a thousand new views since I posted my question "Is ARB the ONLY aftermarket bumper option that offers a crumple/crush zone?", and no one has responded. So I am to assume that no one knows of one. I'm a fan of many of the bumpers on this thread, but it's quite a let down to hear about a missing key feature that I'm seeking in a bumper.

 

[the great him]

To any of the bumper manufacturers/fabricators on this forum:

Is it that much more difficult to include a crush/crumple zone on the bumper? I would think that this would be a strong selling point...

There've been almost a thousand new views since I posted my question "Is ARB the ONLY aftermarket bumper option that offers a crumple/crush zone?", and no one has responded. So I am to assume that no one knows of one. I'm a fan of many of the bumpers on this thread, but it's quite a let down to hear about a missing key feature that I'm seeking in a bumper.

Yes ARB is the only air bag compatible bumper... This has been mentioned several times in several threads on many different forums to include t4r.org. it would be hard to do while still retaining the strength to use as a winching bumper... That would require some massive and costly manufacturing equipment. I think ARB is the only company that has the overhead to afford such equipment/tooling.

 

[ARC]

To any of the bumper manufacturers/fabricators on this forum:

Is it that much more difficult to include a crush/crumple zone on the bumper? I would think that this would be a strong selling point...

There've been almost a thousand new views since I posted my question "Is ARB the ONLY aftermarket bumper option that offers a crumple/crush zone?", and no one has responded. So I am to assume that no one knows of one. I'm a fan of many of the bumpers on this thread, but it's quite a let down to hear about a missing key feature that I'm seeking in a bumper.

Yes ARB is the only air bag compatible bumper... This has been mentioned several times in several threads on many different forums to include t4r.org. it would be hard to do while still retaining the strength to use as a winching bumper... That would require some massive and costly manufacturing equipment. I think ARB is the only company that has the overhead to afford such equipment/tooling.

This and the whole point for many people to replace with an aftermarket bumper is to be able to hit things (ie rocks) without crumpling/bending/damaging anything or deploying airbags. Most of the modifications mentioned on this site are centered around off road performance. Not safety, efficiency, comfort etc. like the original engineers had in mind.

This is why if you look at the fine print on almost every component from sway bar links to armor they state something similar to "For off road use only." People should really consider the consequences of making these modifications, especially on a daily driver.

It will also take some serious overhead (ARB) to be willing to accept the liability of saying a product it airbag compatible etc. Lawsuits are fact of life at this point and everyone honest is just trying to hold to what they have earned.

 

[4eigner]

This and the whole point for many people to replace with an aftermarket bumper is to be able to hit things (ie rocks) without crumpling/bending/damaging anything or deploying airbags. Most of the modifications mentioned on this site are centered around off road performance. Not safety, efficiency, comfort etc. like the original engineers had in mind.

This is why if you look at the fine print on almost every component from sway bar links to armor they state something similar to "For off road use only." People should really consider the consequences of making these modifications, especially on a daily driver.

It will also take some serious overhead (ARB) to be willing to accept the liability of saying a product it airbag compatible etc. Lawsuits are fact of life at this point and everyone honest is just trying to hold to what they have earned.

I'm very much familiar with why manufacturers use terms such as "airbag compliant/certified" and "for off-road use only".
What I didn't understand was why more manufacturers weren't integrating a crumple zone into their bumper design. It certainly wouldn't require them to tag it as "airbag compliant/certified" and they could still label it "for off-road use only".

If 3rd gen bumper manufacturers are using the logic stated in your first sentence in its entirety then they are mistaken. Those who believe that an "off-road" bumper (without a crumple zone) helps to prevent the airbags from deploying on minor or major impacts don't have a good understanding of how the airbag system in the 3rd gen t4r works.

The airbags are deployed when the on-board accelerometers experience a g-force that goes beyond a certain threshold. If anything, bumpers without a crumple zone will trip the sensor (deploy the airbags) with more ease when hitting something hard. Only way to avoid that is to disable the airbags; not a bright idea if you drive your rig on public roads (or possibly even private.) I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of the people on this site drive their t4rs over pavement more often than dirt.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf
Makes me wonder how many people driving on the roads with crumpleless off-road bumpers play the lottery. There's a MUCH better chance of getting into a fatal vehicle accident than ever picking the winning numbers over a lifetime. If the bumper does not give way during impact what is the next weakest link that does break/deform (besides the fleshy meat in the cabin), and how much does it cost to repair?

Everything in life is a tradeoff. Would I want my truck to be as tough as nails? Heck yes, but not at the cost of the occupants personal health risk. I'll gladly trade a little style and truck damage for a margin of personal safety. Last I checked: medical bills can run exponentially higher than a bumper replacement, automobile accidents are bound to happen sooner than later to someone you know (if not you), and I'd rather not spend any personal down time from life/wheeling by having to recover from an injury or becoming disabled because I selected the wrong stinking car/truck part :cowboy:

 

[4eigner]

This and the whole point for many people to replace with an aftermarket bumper is to be able to hit things (ie rocks) without crumpling/bending/damaging anything or deploying airbags. Most of the modifications mentioned on this site are centered around off road performance. Not safety, efficiency, comfort etc. like the original engineers had in mind.

Anyone with an ARB bumper care to chime in with how much abuse they can take with/without affecting the crumple zone?

 

[ARC]

If 3rd gen bumper manufacturers are using the logic stated in your first sentence in its entirety then they are mistaken. Those who believe that an "off-road" bumper (without a crumple zone) helps to prevent the airbags from deploying on minor or major impacts don't have a good understanding of how the airbag system in the 3rd gen t4r works.

The airbags are deployed when the on-board accelerometers experience a g-force that goes beyond a certain threshold. If anything, bumpers without a crumple zone will trip the sensor (deploy the airbags) with more ease when hitting something hard. Only way to avoid that is to disable the airbags; not a bright idea if you drive your rig on public roads (or possibly even private.) I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of the people on this site drive their t4rs over pavement more often than dirt.

This is a good point that makes me wonder. Who has had their airbags deploy in an unwanted situation? Has anyone put in a disconnect for use in offroad situation? The current Tacoma comes with a switch to turn of the rollover sensors to stop unwanted deployments during offroad use.

 

[BrandonF]

I'm very much familiar with why manufacturers use terms such as "airbag compliant/certified" and "for off-road use only".
What I didn't understand was why more manufacturers weren't integrating a crumple zone into their bumper design. It certainly wouldn't require them to tag it as "airbag compliant/certified" and they could still label it "for off-road use only".

If 3rd gen bumper manufacturers are using the logic stated in your first sentence in its entirety then they are mistaken. Those who believe that an "off-road" bumper (without a crumple zone) helps to prevent the airbags from deploying on minor or major impacts don't have a good understanding of how the airbag system in the 3rd gen t4r works.

The airbags are deployed when the on-board accelerometers experience a g-force that goes beyond a certain threshold. If anything, bumpers without a crumple zone will trip the sensor (deploy the airbags) with more ease when hitting something hard. Only way to avoid that is to disable the airbags; not a bright idea if you drive your rig on public roads (or possibly even private.) I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of the people on this site drive their t4rs over pavement more often than dirt.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf
Makes me wonder how many people driving on the roads with crumpleless off-road bumpers play the lottery. There's a MUCH better chance of getting into a fatal vehicle accident than ever picking the winning numbers over a lifetime. If the bumper does not give way during impact what is the next weakest link that does break/deform (besides the fleshy meat in the cabin), and how much does it cost to repair?

Everything in life is a tradeoff. Would I want my truck to be as tough as nails? Heck yes, but not at the cost of the occupants personal health risk. I'll gladly trade a little style and truck damage for a margin of personal safety. Last I checked: medical bills can run exponentially higher than a bumper replacement, automobile accidents are bound to happen sooner than later to someone you know (if not you), and I'd rather not spend any personal down time from life/wheeling by having to recover from an injury or becoming disabled because I selected the wrong stinking car/truck part :cowboy:

I agree with this completely and is why it was a no-brainer for me to go with the arb over any other bumper.

That being said, I've seen some accident photos of 4runners with other aftermarket bumpers (a 4th gen with a shrockworks comes to mind) where the 4runner and driver have faired extremely well.

It should be kept in mind that the stock 4runner bumper (at least the pre-99's) is little more than a plastic and tin foil cover and there is only a tiny little crumple "box" on the end of the frame rail. There really isnt any significant bumper crumple zone to begin with. At the end of the day, any steel arftermarket bumper will still provide better protection that the stock bumper. For me, the airbag certification on the ARB is an added bonus on top of that.

 

[the great him]

Anyone with an ARB bumper care to chime in with how much abuse they can take with/without affecting the crumple zone?

a lot! i have hit my garage -thanks to the ABS, hard enough to destroy my garage door -yes its an oldschool solid core wooden door. hit several rocks while off roading, drove through a gate at work -long story. and pushed a full size truck, along with several winch pulls -enough load to stall out a 9000lb winch. the ARB will take some serious abuse. there has been no deflection of the crumple zones, or movement in them what so ever. im guessing it would take a good crash into a good solid object to set of the air bags.

 

[ARC]

I am also curios how much ARB would stand behind their product since no one here is using it on it's intended application. I wonder if it didn't crumple or the bags didn't deploy whee they should have if they would just say "Well you were using it on an unapproved application."

 

[Limbwalker]

Anyone have the Savage rear bumper with tire swing out?
Really curious to know what you think of it

 

[ARC]

Anyone have the Savage rear bumper with tire swing out?
Really curious to know what you think of it

I order one little over a week ago. I'll let you know what I think once it's here.

 

[americancliche]

[MENTION=9139]steezemcqueen[/MENTION]

Add Trail gears front bumper with stinger to the front page please!

Would seriously love this bumper so much more if it were a plate or hybrid. Right now im browsing around looking for ideas on the kind of bumpers I want when I get to that stage in my build. Too bad itll be a while.

 

[masson74]

I was over visting Roy today at Savage OffRoad and the new front plate bumper with top tube is coming along nicely. A few more tweaks at the laser cutter and he should be rolling them out. He wouldn't let me take a picture yet as he wants to make some changes to it still.