Can't get a Runner...might get a Jeep. :Cry:

[USStrongman]

Clearly the 4R will hold it's value better, but Jeep isn't bad in that regard either.

Clearly, you are a bit misinformed. Tired of the mechanical issues with my 2017 JKU Winter Edition. Full meal deal everything. AEV lift, wheels, 35's, bumpers, roof rack, etc, etc, etc.

Just traded it in on a 2019 TRD Off Road. 39k miles on the TRD. 77k on the JKU. $36k trade in on JKU. $39k for the TRD. A completely stock 2017 JKU with 37k miles was listed for $42k. Jeep is bringing retarded money still. Wait until Biden & Co tank our economy next year. All of this temporary pricing will fall.

 

[Pedro367]

Clearly, you are a bit misinformed. Tired of the mechanical issues with my 2017 JKU Winter Edition. Full meal deal everything. AEV lift, wheels, 35's, bumpers, roof rack, etc, etc, etc.

Just traded it in on a 2019 TRD Off Road. 39k miles on the TRD. 77k on the JKU. $36k trade in on JKU. $39k for the TRD. A completely stock 2017 JKU with 37k miles was listed for $42k. Jeep is bringing retarded money still. Wait until Biden & Co tank our economy next year. All of this temporary pricing will fall.

You can't compare Wrangler depreciation to GC depreciation, so to call me misinformed in a debate that isn't even a debate makes no sense. They aren't even in the same ballpark. The GC depreciates normally for a vehicle in it's class. The Wrangler is at the top with the 4Runner. That $42k JKU is also an anomaly. That dealer is just hoping for a sucker and if someone actually pays that they need to be taken out back and hit in the head with a tack hammer because they are a moron. Paying a dealer markup on a new vehicle is one thing, but to pay over original sticker on used is even worse when there are dealers still offering vehicles at MSRP. I understand depreciation is a big part of the decision on what to buy, but it's certainly not the only thing... For me, a fully loaded Overland GCL would be chosen 10/10 times over a Limited 4Runner at similar price. Regardless of resale. Regardless of reliability/potential issues. If there is a $5k difference in resale value after 10 years, so what. I've had 3 FCA vehicles over the last 7 years (2 GCs and a JKU) and none had any issues at all.

The temporary pricing is going to fall on everything (including 4Runners) which is why I'd never overpay for anything right now regardless of potential resale value later on.

 

[Lewis&Clark]

cars.com = you can get every car by make model color distance etc. Super simple.

No you can’t. They absolutely do not have everything.

 

[Lewis&Clark]

Well the problem has been solved. I bought a car a few hours ago, although I ended up with neither a 4Runner nor a Jeep. The 4Runners couldn't be found without enormous logistical challenges across state lines, and the Jeep dealer wouldn't budge on their $15,000 markup on either the 2021 GC Trailhawk, or the 2021 GC L Limited.

So...I bought a 2018 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition w/ the TRD Pro package. Only 25,000 miles!

 

[85GT-79FJ40]

Well the problem has been solved. I bought a car a few hours ago, although I ended up with neither a 4Runner nor a Jeep. The 4Runners couldn't be found without enormous logistical challenges across state lines, and the Jeep dealer wouldn't budge on their $15,000 markup on either the 2021 GC Trailhawk, or the 2021 GC L Limited.

So...I bought a 2018 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition w/ the TRD Pro package. Only 25,000 miles!

Congratulations!

Those are nice. I would love a tundra but I can't currently afford to feed one.

 

[Redsoxx1918]

We've had two newer GCs over the years. One got totaled and we replaced it with another. We enjoyed them quite a bit, but outgrew it when we had our second kid. They are surprisingly small inside, but the new GC L would solve that. They were great to drive. Very comfortable and even the V6 was reasonably quick. It towed better than my 4R does. Interiors and the big screen Uconnect are great. We haven't had any issues aside from recalls on the FCA vehicles we've had over the years. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new L, especially with the hoops to jump through and current pricing on a 4Runner. There is zero chance I'd overpay for a vehicle "just because" it's the market. F that.

Right. And let's face it...the vast majority of people don't keep their vehicles for 200k-300k miles. Most modern vehicles are fairly reliable, and if not, have pretty good warranty coverage. If you're gonna keep a vehicle for an extended period, you can shop dealerships and generally find a good price on an extended warranty. If you're someone that lives out west and does some real overlanding in remote locations, I get it. You need the most reliable vehicle that isn't gonna leave you stranded. I'm guessing that the vast majority of vehicles I see here in the northeast with their 4 inch lifts and 35" tires, rarely make it off-road. For the average Joe, long term reliability isn't an issue.


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[Redsoxx1918]

FWIW, the current GC has been almost the same vehicle since 2011 with a few design tweaks since and now an added 3rd row with the L. I'd call it redesigned maybe, but calling it a first year remake when its essentially been the same evolving powertrain, technology, etc. since 2011 isn't really fair. FCA has their fair share of issues, but it's way more car for your $50k than the 4R is, if you're into that.

For what it's worth, I have a 2019 PRO and it's been in the shop more than any vehicle I've ever owned. All suspension issues. I've had a total of 5 Fox shocks and my rear control arms replaced. And that's just with some light off roading on some sand trails. Toyota dealerships around here don't give loaner cars so I've been stranded quite a few days. It's getting old. Currently, my ancient head unit is having tons of Bluetooth issues and I can't even make a phone call without getting a dropped call.


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[Redsoxx1918]

That Jeep will be worth about 40% less than a 4Runner in 10 years.

What percentage of people keep a vehicle for 10 years? Life is short.


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[Redsoxx1918]

Oh yes, of course I have! Jeeps are better than they used to be, but they're still no where near as reliable as a 4Runner. There's a reason my plan A is a 4Runner if I can find the right one at a reasonable price. But they're also not as unreliable as they used to be. Won't be as good, but a lack of options these days... And their off-road capability at least with Quadra-Trac II (thus, Overland models or higher), should be on par.

Aside from a couple pickups not in the cards right now, there are no other off-roading capable vehicles I'd consider other than a 4Runner and a Jeep. And even at that, I'm thinking only the Grand Cherokee Overland or higher...the Limited and below are effectively a fancy AWD with differential braking. That's all. It's permanent 4H, with no 4L gearing.

You wouldn't consider a new Bronco?


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[NW.OH.T4R]

For what it's worth, I have a 2019 PRO and it's been in the shop more than any vehicle I've ever owned. All suspension issues. I've had a total of 5 Fox shocks and my rear control arms replaced. And that's just with some light off roading on some sand trails. Toyota dealerships around here don't give loaner cars so I've been stranded quite a few days. It's getting old. Currently, my ancient head unit is having tons of Bluetooth issues and I can't even make a phone call without getting a dropped call.


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Sounds like a similar situation to my own. I’ve had my fronts replaced twice, brake calipers replaced, and still dealing with it as recently as last week. Toyota is writing it off as normal for the Fox shocks. There’s a lot to like about the 4R, but it’s spending just as much time in the shop as my fully built Audi when it was at 140k miles, over 100k with significant engine/turbo mods.


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[Redsoxx1918]

Sounds like a similar situation to my own. I’ve had my fronts replaced twice, brake calipers replaced, and still dealing with it as recently as last week. Toyota is writing it off as normal for the Fox shocks. There’s a lot to like about the 4R, but it’s spending just as much time in the shop as my fully built Audi when it was at 140k miles, over 100k with significant engine/turbo mods.


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Yeah. Apparently, the Fox shocks are garbage. I've also had to have my front rotors turned at around 20k miles as they were warped. Most of my driving is highway driving so I don't even use my brakes that much. Then there was the whole steering wheel shake issue at 60mph. That was pretty brutal. After my most recent tire rotation and wheel balancing, things are much better. But between the suspension issues, steering wheel shake and brakes, I'm finding the vehicle quite the pain in the a**. Still love it though....lol.


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[Lewis&Clark]

Congratulations!

Those are nice. I would love a tundra but I can't currently afford to feed one.

Thank you!

Are you referring to payments or MPG?

The latter is only slightly different from the 4runner. Averages 15mpg with a range of 13-17. My 4Runner V8 never did better than 14-18. The newer V6s are 15-19. Not a huge difference.

 

[CO_ForeUnner]

What percentage of people keep a vehicle for 10 years? Life is short.


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That's a good point, but the major reason for us buying a 4Runner is reliability, resale, and capability.

If we eliminate the 1st two factors on that list, I'd buy a Range Rover.

 

[Redsoxx1918]

That's a good point, but the major reason for us buying a 4Runner is reliability, resale, and capability.

If we eliminate the 1st two factors on that list, I'd buy a Range Rover.

I get it. But, like I posted, I've spent plenty of time hanging around at the dealership while my 4Runner has been in for service. Had I bought a Range Rover, I would have gotten a free loaner vehicle and been on my way. And if you're only gonna keep a vehicle for 50k mikes and trade it in, a Range Rover will be under full warranty. And the resale isn't that bad. Just sayin'.


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[BearBio]

You wouldn't consider a new Bronco?


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:lmao:

 

[bigdaddy2021]

Well the problem has been solved. I bought a car a few hours ago, although I ended up with neither a 4Runner nor a Jeep. The 4Runners couldn't be found without enormous logistical challenges across state lines, and the Jeep dealer wouldn't budge on their $15,000 markup on either the 2021 GC Trailhawk, or the 2021 GC L Limited.

So...I bought a 2018 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition w/ the TRD Pro package. Only 25,000 miles!

Boom! Nice choice! That’s a long lasting rig, for sure. Pics?

 

[Uneasyboosh]

What a ride this thread was! and the twist at the end no new 4R or GC but a used pickup! can't wait for the movie

 

[EddieV4runnin]

Yeah. Apparently, the Fox shocks are garbage. I've also had to have my front rotors turned at around 20k miles as they were warped. Most of my driving is highway driving so I don't even use my brakes that much. Then there was the whole steering wheel shake issue at 60mph. That was pretty brutal. After my most recent tire rotation and wheel balancing, things are much better. But between the suspension issues, steering wheel shake and brakes, I'm finding the vehicle quite the pain in the a**. Still love it though....lol.


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5th gen death wobble? We’ll bring it here partner for the real thing. That’s an issue plenty of us here have had. Mine only does it after wheeling for the day. I drove a new one at another dealer before I purchased mine and sign 5 miles on the odometer it was shaking.

 

[USStrongman]

You kinda proved my point. Your opinion, backed by opinion and without regard to location. You do you, I'll do me... with a grain of salt.