CEL, VSC, TRAC, white smoke, loss of power

I would rather not be the one saying this but normally white smoke is water/coolant. Since it smells sweet and coolant is made with glycol I would venture to bet it is a head gasket. I know there was an issue with superchargers with these motors and thats why they are hard to find. I do also know that the 4runner motor is made stronger than the tundra/seq motors so hopefully just a head gasket. If it does turn out to be a head gasket make sure they send the head to a maching shop to make sure its not warped. Also if it is the head gaskets see how much more it would cost to do the other side while half the motor is apart. Maybe when they do the head job the machine shop can put stonger/better spring and flow the heads better for your S/C. I will keep my finger crossed for you this weekend and waiting to see what happens.

Ya I thought about the HG from the beginning but as I said in my first post, the coolant level is still where it was before. I'm pretty sure in this particular case, the white smoke is being caused by unburnt fuel going through the cats. We'll see what Toyota says later today. I still think there is a very good chance it's just a coil pack. On IH8Mud, they say that they are very sensitive, so if one of them is bad, the computer will throw codes for that one AND the one's around/adjacent to it. So if you look at this firing order diagram:

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It could be the #5 cylinder, which could also throw the codes for the #3 and #7. Now that I think about it, I may not have mentioned that I got more than just that first code. If I didn't before, here's what I got:

P0113 - IAT sensor (part of the MAF sensor) circuit voltage high
P0300 - Multiple cylinder misfire
P0303 - Cylinder #3 misfire
P0305 - Cylinder #5 misfire
P0307 - Cylinder #7 misfire

What I was saying before should make more sense now, sorry about that guys!

Speaking of the superchrager though I would love to have one and even saw this on on craigslist in dallas. I just worry about long term damage.

Supercharger 4.7L V8

I wouldn't worry about it if you keep it at the boost level it was made to run at. I mean, obviously it *could* have caused whatever is wrong with my truck right now, but that is yet to be determined. Tundra/Sequoia I definitely would not do it on, but LC100 and 4Runner are both made in Japan with stronger (forged, i think) internals that should hold up just fine. Of course there will be more stress on the engine, but not enough to warrant not doing it in my opinion.

Keep us updated. If nothing else, it will be good to have in the archives. I concur with the post above about coolant. That's never a good sign when you get lots of smoke of any color. White or black smoke equals burning something. When it has an odor like that then it's usually coolant. Oil has an entirely different smell and we all have seen and smelled it before as it is so common on older cars. Luckily it is becoming less and less common as engine quality has increased over the years.

Those of us who can remember riding around in the 70's can remember how many cars were blasting out massive amounts of burning oil because the engines were so crappy!

Best of luck.

Forget to add... my brother experienced the same codes on his Sienna minivan. He was getting a lot of smoke as well, but it wasn't sweet smelling. Plugs were fouled pretty badly like yours. His was caused by sludge and then bad rings. He was getting tons of blow-by. The sludge issue was clearly a manufacturing defect, but Toyota refused to pay for it because they claimed that in order to qualify he had to prove that he had service done every 3,000 miles (WTF? That's not even the recommended service interval in his manual!) and it had to be done and documented at a Toyota dealership. So they were denying claims if you didn't use their service, which is 100% against the Magnusson Moss act. Look it up and be prepared to fight if the dealership wants to be jerks.

I've been through a similar situation on a head gasket with Chrysler (what a mess!) and they had replaced it twice under warranty. As soon as the warranty was up it happened again. Of course it was due to their faulty initial repairs in warranty and I did everything I was supposed to. It happened again outside of warranty, which was THEIR fault. They refused to fix it. I brought up Magnusson Moss and their tune changed. I have no idea whether it was even covered under that act, but the fact that I knew about it seemed to scare them. They then claimed they would do a "one time good will repair" on it. I said that wasn't acceptable, and they'd do it until they got it right whether it took them once or 10 times. They'd already had two cracks at it and blown it. Luckily there was a redesigned part and I printed off the freaking TSB for them and made them use the correct and redesigned head gasket. There's a reason I don't drive Chryslers anymore. CRAP.

Don't back down. If you don't like what you hear right away then try another dealership or call corporate. Spend as much time on the phone as needed. Make sure they get it right.

I always post stuff just for the archive's sake. I'll definitely keep up with this one until the end, just in case it happens to anyone else. I won't be pushed around, but that Magnusson Moss is good to have in the arsenal, thanks!
 
Forget to add... my brother experienced the same codes on his Sienna minivan. He was getting a lot of smoke as well, but it wasn't sweet smelling. Plugs were fouled pretty badly like yours. His was caused by sludge and then bad rings. He was getting tons of blow-by. The sludge issue was clearly a manufacturing defect, but Toyota refused to pay for it because they claimed that in order to qualify he had to prove that he had service done every 3,000 miles (WTF? That's not even the recommended service interval in his manual!) and it had to be done and documented at a Toyota dealership. So they were denying claims if you didn't use their service, which is 100% against the Magnusson Moss act. Look it up and be prepared to fight if the dealership wants to be jerks.


That really sucks...but the #1 cause for those problems is a lack of changing the oil. Toyota has every right to deny that claim if there's no proof that the oil was changed on a regular basis. Did they send of any oil for analysis? If they or you did I would almost guarantee the oil was waaaayyy past due for a change. Even toyota doesn't require oil changes to be done at the dealership. Every warantee I've ever dealt with just required some type of log book or proof of purchase for the oil/filter. Sorry to get off topic, just wanted to clear that up. There's more to the story than your brother told you or you're telling us.
 
Normally un burnt fuel is grey/black in color not white but i have seen strage things happen that are unexplainable. How boost do you run with the S/C setup and did this happen while driving or did you just fire it up one morning and this happen. Too bad you dont still have your truck cause then we could rule out coil packs. If #5 is bad or beleived to be bad you could switch it to #1 and see if this changes the codes or if they still read the same. If the codes dont change then its not a coil. You say the radiator is still full. Are you looking at both the radiator level and overflow tank level? If it just started and both are full there is a good change that it hasnt burned off too much coolant yet and wouldnt be noticable till you do more driving. If they end up doing any overheating test just ask them to do a block test vs checking compression it might save some money on diag. Still waiting to hear.
 
Ok so heres the deal. I went in today and the mechanic told me that there was no coolant in it. So I guess I must have lost it on the way to Toyota on Friday. At the time of me going in, they were still looking at it, and hadn't done compression test, etc yet. They just called me and said that the injectors are getting constant power. I told them the couple of electrical things I did before it happened, and he says he's fairly certain that he can get it fixed in a few hours. We'll see what happens. But I don't see where the coolant would have gone though then?
 
Not to sound rude but I would take it to a new mechanic. You have have white smoke. 3 adjacent cylinders misfiring and no coolant and they haven't block tested it yet and think its electrical. The lack of coolant might be it burning out the exhaust as the white smoke. Very curious to see what it turns out to be and what he tells you it is. Unless you happen to also have a huge coolant leak on the way to the dealer I would bet heavily on a head job. I know there is no nice soft way to let anyone know but I don't know why they would want to beat around the bush and make you think it might be something thats its not. I guess well see.
 
Based on the white smoke, sweet smell, and misfires all on one cylinder bank, it must be the head gasket. There's no coolant because it went out the tailpipe.
 
Well they said the got it all figured out by disconnecting one of the little wiring things I did. I asked what about the coolant issue, and he said they filled it up and it's been running fine. I picked it up but was not able to speak to the mechanic that did the work because i got there too late. I'm going back tomorrow so he can point out to me exactly which wire was the problem wire. He says it was connected directly to the fuel injector wire which could be true, from the viper alarm system that was installed kind of crappy. But what I don't get is, why this wouldn't have been a problem before, and why, if they disconnected it, does the alarm still function perfectly? I'll keep you guys updated, and I'll definitely be monitoring the coolant level over the next few days.

One thing about the coolant: I never saw the level go down, and it appears to be in EXACTLY the same place it was the last time I saw it. I almost want to say that the mechanic was talking shit to me about the coolant being gone, just to have something to say during our little chat midway through his trying to work out the problem (before he found that the injectors were getting constant power). Just a thought...

EDIT: Also want to mention that I checked the coolant reservoir (had to look up how to spell that lol) both times, not inside the radiator.
 
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Ok went back today so the mechanic could show me the wire. I wasn't able to get a pic today but I'll get one tomorrow. I don't know wtf the wire is supposed to be for but when I get time (this weekend?) I'm going to try to trace it to where ever it goes. All is well though people. Thanks for the comments/suggestions/support. I'll post a pic tomorrow.
 
I would bet that little wire the Toyota tech disconnected from the injector is for monitoring engine rpm for a remote start system. Also, highly doubt that was causing those problems.
 
I would bet that little wire the Toyota tech disconnected from the injector is for monitoring engine rpm for a remote start system. Also, highly doubt that was causing those problems.

Interesting that you would say that. My remote start quit working just a day or two before it happened. It will work if I hold the key next to the ignition, so I just figure it's the bypass box that needs replacing. Seems to be a somewhat common problem. Maybe something in the seemingly broken bypass box is causing power to go to the injector wire instead of the other way 'round?
 
That really sucks...but the #1 cause for those problems is a lack of changing the oil. Toyota has every right to deny that claim if there's no proof that the oil was changed on a regular basis. Did they send of any oil for analysis? If they or you did I would almost guarantee the oil was waaaayyy past due for a change. Even toyota doesn't require oil changes to be done at the dealership. Every warantee I've ever dealt with just required some type of log book or proof of purchase for the oil/filter. Sorry to get off topic, just wanted to clear that up. There's more to the story than your brother told you or you're telling us.

No, there is not really any more to this story than my brother told me and my brother didn't lie to me. My brother gets his oil changed every 3,000 miles and has them stamp his book each time and always has. He is the most organized dude on earth. The only part that was left out is the most ridiculous part of the whole situation and inexcusable by Toyota in my view. The problem was that he bought a Toyota Certified pre-owned vehicle from Karl Malone Toyota near Salt Lake City, Utah. It had about 28,000 miles on it when he bought it. It was Toyota CERTIFIED meaning that it had passed their 160 or whatever it was point inspection stating that it is essentially as good as new and the warranty is extended out to 6 years and 100,000 miles on the powertrain. They said everything was up to date and had to be in order to be Toyota Certified when he purchased it (all recalls, TSB's, etc. were taken care of, and all services and engine components were essentially perfect). But since he didn't have the records for the first 28,000 miles then Toyota said no dice on the repair which there was a TSB for.

He is part of a class action that is going for a mandatory recall and fix of this since it is a safety issue as Siennas are stalling out on freeways due to sludging up and dying. But it hasn't happened yet. This was yet another of Toyota's recent poor decisions when it comes to customer service and owning up to a problem that was clearly a defect. It wasn't due to service interval (which he was doing at 3,000 but the manual was recommending like 7,000). That was irrelevant in his situation. It was a mistake on Toyota's part to claim that people were actually driving in "extreme conditions" (which was one of their copouts to get out of paying for this repair), or to say that a Toyota Certified vehicle's previous owner was at fault and you were SOL for buying a certified vehicle that didn't have records for that time period. That's just bad business.

It stinks too because for a little bit of work they'd have a customer for life. He had been a Toyota customer since he bought his first Toyota at 16 over 25 years ago. Now he'll never buy one again and that's pretty much all he's driven since day 1. He's just waiting for the Sienna to die because it's not really worth fixing and then he'll dump it and buy something from another company unfortunately, and I can't say I blame him. Toyota's arrogance showed through loud and clear on this situation (and several others over the last several years).
 
No, there is not really any more to this story than my brother told me and my brother didn't lie to me. My brother gets his oil changed every 3,000 miles and has them stamp his book each time and always has. He is the most organized dude on earth. The only part that was left out is the most ridiculous part of the whole situation and inexcusable by Toyota in my view. The problem was that he bought a Toyota Certified pre-owned vehicle from Karl Malone Toyota near Salt Lake City, Utah. It had about 28,000 miles on it when he bought it. It was Toyota CERTIFIED meaning that it had passed their 160 or whatever it was point inspection stating that it is essentially as good as new and the warranty is extended out to 6 years and 100,000 miles on the powertrain. They said everything was up to date and had to be in order to be Toyota Certified when he purchased it (all recalls, TSB's, etc. were taken care of, and all services and engine components were essentially perfect). But since he didn't have the records for the first 28,000 miles then Toyota said no dice on the repair which there was a TSB for.

He is part of a class action that is going for a mandatory recall and fix of this since it is a safety issue as Siennas are stalling out on freeways due to sludging up and dying. But it hasn't happened yet. This was yet another of Toyota's recent poor decisions when it comes to customer service and owning up to a problem that was clearly a defect. It wasn't due to service interval (which he was doing at 3,000 but the manual was recommending like 7,000). That was irrelevant in his situation. It was a mistake on Toyota's part to claim that people were actually driving in "extreme conditions" (which was one of their copouts to get out of paying for this repair), or to say that a Toyota Certified vehicle's previous owner was at fault and you were SOL for buying a certified vehicle that didn't have records for that time period. That's just bad business.

It stinks too because for a little bit of work they'd have a customer for life. He had been a Toyota customer since he bought his first Toyota at 16 over 25 years ago. Now he'll never buy one again and that's pretty much all he's driven since day 1. He's just waiting for the Sienna to die because it's not really worth fixing and then he'll dump it and buy something from another company unfortunately, and I can't say I blame him. Toyota's arrogance showed through loud and clear on this situation (and several others over the last several years).

I'm guessing he has the first gen Sienna with the 3.0 V6. That engine was known to sludge even with the proper OCI.
 

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