Consolidated Lighting Info Thread

[jdtaylor42]

Did you plan to cover changing out all the interior lights with LED bulbs? I decided I want to do that but before I spend a bunch of time searching and reading other threads I figured I would check if it would be consolidated here.

 

[Angelo]

Did you plan to cover changing out all the interior lights with LED bulbs? I decided I want to do that but before I spend a bunch of time searching and reading other threads I figured I would check if it would be consolidated here.

Working on it right now, actually. Hopefully have something up by tonight.

 

[Angelo]

Bump, still always looking for suggestions on the innovative interior and exterior lighting upgrades you all are installing. I remember seeing a cool rear hatch solution on a recent thread but I can't remember which it was.

Anyone?

 

[RysiuM]

Bump, still always looking for suggestions on the innovative interior and exterior lighting upgrades you all are installing

I found that all available LED bulbs are not up to the task for rear hatch and puddle lights, so I made my own bulbs. All described here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/206081-my-version-interior-led-lights.html

Installed cargo bulbs (480 lumens each, true 3W delivered to LED chips), that is total 960 lumens in rear hatch.

Installed puddle lights (450 lumens, true 3W delivered to LED chips) and comparison to biggest you can fit there: JDM ASTAR Extremely Bright 5730 SMD 194 168 2825 W5W T10 LED Bulbs,Xenon White (only 170 lumens).

And here is the comparison between original stock 5W incandescent bulb and my 450 lumens LED bulb.

 

[PDPGAUGE]

I won't be having some free time till next week, so just wanted to upload a few pics of the Philips ultinon LEDs 2700k in the fogs.

I'll post better non-iPhone pictures sometime next week. And a better review.

Right side Philips LED. Left stock halogen

Ground output shot

This might have a better output / ground view than the first

Dicked around and put it on low beams. Cutoff is very similar to stock halogens. With fogs on(Philips left / halogen right)

I'll be getting the 6000k Philips LEDs in tomorrow. I'll try to post them in the lows.



Same shot as above but with foglights off.

Shot of the car with Philips LEDs in low and fogs (right) and stock halogens on the (left)

First impression. Seems brighter, I like the look but afraid there might be glare. Driving around seemed like I could "see" more but could be because it's different. But won't know how they work in real situations till I get some rain/fog.


Below is what's making me there might be glare


Philips LEDs in both fogs. Kind of worried if this is glare, but i never really looked at this area with the stock fogs on.

Fogs lights off

Also idk how much this matters but my driveway has a ridiculous incline. Maybe 30 degrees.

I hope this helps.

 

[Angelo]

I found that all available LED bulbs are not up to the task for rear hatch and puddle lights, so I made my own bulbs. All described here...

Really cool, man. Added to the Interior section.

 

[Angelo]

I won't be having some free time till next week, so just wanted to upload a few pics of the Philips ultinon LEDs 2700k in the fogs.

I'll post better non-iPhone pictures sometime next week. And a better review.

...

I hope this helps.

A good start, but if possible we'd need to see you on level ground and at the appropriate distance from a flat (preferably light colored) wall to truly assess glare, or alternately you can have someone drive your Runner past you so you can see what your own lights are like on the road.

Definitely looking forward to the LED low beam comparison shots. Thanks man.

 

[PDPGAUGE]

A good start, but if possible we'd need to see you on level ground and at the appropriate distance from a flat (preferably light colored) wall to truly assess glare, or alternately you can have someone drive your Runner past you so you can see what your own lights are like on the road.



Definitely looking forward to the LED low beam comparison shots. Thanks man.

Yeah next week when I can upload better shots I plan to do that. Found a place in my neighborhood with no direct light, level, and have a wall(fence). I'll get some better shots and comparisons then.

 

[jdtaylor42]

So can someone point me in the right direction for stock fog light bulbs? One of my fog lights is not coming on and I am not looking to upgrade them but just want a replacement bulb. From searching the forum it seems in my 2015 this would be an H16 bulb but I am having trouble finding many of those.

Is H16 a new bulb type? Should I be able to get it at my local autozone or will I have to order online? The few I found online are all over the place in terms of price...

 

[PDPGAUGE]

I messed up.

 

[PDPGAUGE]

So can someone point me in the right direction for stock fog light bulbs? One of my fog lights is not coming on and I am not looking to upgrade them but just want a replacement bulb. From searching the forum it seems in my 2015 this would be an H16 bulb but I am having trouble finding many of those.



Is H16 a new bulb type? Should I be able to get it at my local autozone or will I have to order online? The few I found online are all over the place in terms of price...

The Philips LED bulb I put in my fogs were h11 / h16 / h8. I also plugged those into my low beams and they fit fine. so I'd say go for h11's if you can't find h16's

You could always go the an auto parts store, see what their book says (either h11 or h16) and install it in their parking lot. If it doesn't fit just return it for the other one.

I think the main difference between h11 and h16 bulbs is the output. H11 being brighter than h16 bulbs. (I'm not 100% sure on this, and if someone corrects me I'll remove this)

 

[rpontbriand]

The Philips LED bulb I put in my fogs were h11 / h16 / h8. I also plugged those into my low beams and they fit fine. so I'd say go for h11's if you can't find h16's

You could always go the an auto parts store, see what their book says (either h11 or h16) and install it in their parking lot. If it doesn't fit just return it for the other one.

I think the main difference between h11 and h16 bulbs is the output. H11 being brighter than h16 bulbs. (I'm not 100% sure on this, and if someone corrects me I'll remove this)

Very timely post. I ordered low beam H11's from Xenon Depot and the package I received said they were for fogs. They fit great in my low beam sockets and the vehicle search indicated they could be used for low beams as well. Sounds like I am all set?

 

[Angelo]

Very timely post. I ordered low beam H11's from Xenon Depot and the package I received said they were for fogs. They fit great in my low beam sockets and the vehicle search indicated they could be used for low beams as well. Sounds like I am all set?

[MENTION=121597]rpontbriand[/MENTION] the low beams in the 5th Gen T4Rs are H11, which is a type of bulb. I'm sure there are cars out there that use the H11 bulb in their OEM fog lights- the packaging for the bulbs is just packaging.

If you plugged an H11 bulb into your low beam spot (it wouldn't have fit perfectly if it was a different type of bulb), you're good to go.

 

[jdtaylor42]

Oh ok. So I am doing the H9 mod to my low beams which means I can use the existing H11 low beam bulbs and put them in the fog location and be set? If so that will save me some time and money which is always bueno

 

[Angelo]

Oh ok. So I am doing the H9 mod to my low beams which means I can use the existing H11 low beam bulbs and put them in the fog location and be set? If so that will save me some time and money which is always bueno

I haven't seen anything that suggests putting the H11 bulb in the fog housing. My understanding of the fog light housings is that they are not shielded / projected as the low beams are and thus they still require a dedicated and properly aimed fog light bulb (H16) so as not to blind oncoming drivers.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe if you plan to use your fogs consistently on-road, you'll want to stay with a fog bulb.

 

[jdtaylor42]

I haven't seen anything that suggests putting the H11 bulb in the fog housing. My understanding of the fog light housings is that they are not shielded / projected as the low beams are and thus they still require a dedicated and properly aimed fog light bulb (H16) so as not to blind oncoming drivers.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe if you plan to use your fogs consistently on-road, you'll want to stay with a fog bulb.

Crap. This is why I am confused

The Philips LED bulb I put in my fogs were h11 / h16 / h8. I also plugged those into my low beams and they fit fine. so I'd say go for h11's if you can't find h16's

You could always go the an auto parts store, see what their book says (either h11 or h16) and install it in their parking lot. If it doesn't fit just return it for the other one.

I think the main difference between h11 and h16 bulbs is the output. H11 being brighter than h16 bulbs. (I'm not 100% sure on this, and if someone corrects me I'll remove this)

I thought this was saying to use H11's in the fog location?

 

[Angelo]

Crap. This is why I am confused

I thought this was saying to use H11's in the fog location?

The H11 might be the same fitment as an H16 but it's a far brighter bulb. The fog housing, as I mentioned, isn't "shielded" (doesn't have a cutoff) like the low beam projector housings do. So you'd be exposing oncoming drivers to a far brighter direct light from your fogs than you would normally.

 

[Saker]

The H11 might be the same fitment as an H16 but it's a far brighter bulb. The fog housing, as I mentioned, isn't "shielded" (doesn't have a cutoff) like the low beam projector housings do. So you'd be exposing oncoming drivers to a far brighter direct light from your fogs than you would normally.

I ran into this some time back.

Discussed here as well: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/155229-2014-headlight-bulbs-6.html

People want to run H11's in their fog light sockets. Although they may "fit", the bulbs are definitely different.
The Osram H16 is a 19 Watt bulb, IIRC 790+- lumens, intended for the newer 4Runner fog lights. These are different than the non Osram H16's!
Some even refer to the bulbs as a H16 (Type 2).
There has definitely been some confusion for a while on this.
See this article: Even Osram Makes Mistakes: H16 Mixed Up with H11 | iJDMTOY Blog For Automotive Lighting

The H11 is a 55 Watt bulb and is not really intended to go into the later model fog light assemblies as they were in the earlier 4Runners.

 

[jdtaylor42]

Thanks a bunch for the replies! I know I can't be the only one confused by this. So I need to search and find "Osram H16" bulbs I guess. I definitely don't want to blind other drivers as I pretty much always have my fogs on when my lights are on.

 

[Angelo]

HID Reality Check

The following is not intended in any way to be a commentary on other people's actions / mods but rather a way to explain my own feelings and reasoning behind installing and then UNinstalling an HID kit in my T4R's halogen projectors.

One of the first things I attempted to upgrade in my rig, and the initial impetus behind all my information gathering in this thread, was to install a Philips 4300k HID kit in my low beams. I was pumped to take on my first "mod", and really excited by all the positive reviews I read all over the forum about how much better the light was, how easy it was to do, etc... I admit up front that I pulled the trigger on the kit without fully understanding the implications behind placing HID bulbs in a halogen projector housing.

As soon as I did it I started getting brighted by oncoming vehicles, something that had never happened before with the halogen bulbs. I figured, okay, it's probably the aiming. I aimed the lights lower. It helped, but I still got brighted probably once every couple of days and it really cut down on the utility of having brighter headlights since they couldn't "project" as far. I do a lot of driving in the pre-dawn and post-dusk hours on two-lane country roads, which is actually one of the reasons I was so excited about the upgrade. However in retrospect, this is probably one of the reasons why I may have been getting brighted more than your typical "I put HIDs in my halogen projectors" person in a city / highway scenario with more ambient lighting from streetlights, etc.

In any case, after playing with the aim for a week or so, I also had my wife drive past me (in a Honda Odyssey, not exactly a low-to-the-ground car either) and get her opinion. I also got behind the wheel of her van and took a look for myself. Them f**ckers are BRIGHT, man. I also did way more due diligence with looking into what the right thing to do when putting HIDs in your vehicle: HID projectors.

Long story short, I've now spent time on the phone with many of the vendors I list in this thread to try to avoid wasting the $150 I spent on the HID kit by finding a true HID projector to retrofit with. My T4R is also my DD, so I'm not pulling off the headlights for a few days to do the retrofit myself even if I did have hundreds more dollars to spend on it. I'm pissed at myself that I pulled the trigger so fast, but I guess it could always be worse than having to eat $150.

Your mileage may vary. Just my experience, trying to do the right thing.