Dealer is trying to rip me off on 100k Maint. Please help!

Ok y'all have been very helpful. What I really want is to find a local mechanic who will do the job WITH me. I have a garage and most of the tools, but would be more than happy to pay a few hundo to a knowledgable guy to teach me to fish here, so that I can do this kind of work from now on on my own and with videos/manuals/tutorials alone. Anyone know a guy in the DC area?
 
Not to restate the obvious but I'm sure there is a local mechanic nearby. I see you are in DC area, a major metropolitan area with 10s of millions of people within an hour's drive.

Google reviews
Yelp
Yellow pages
Google search

There are many ways to find a shop that isn't a total scam. I'm not saying it will be super easy but come on, it should be doable.

Also never underestimate good old word of mouth and friendship networks for finding a mechanic who works on Japanese cars. Half the office probably has a Honda or a Toyota.

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Ok y'all have been very helpful. What I really want is to find a local mechanic who will do the job WITH me. I have a garage and most of the tools, but would be more than happy to pay a few hundo to a knowledgable guy to teach me to fish here, so that I can do this kind of work from now on on my own and with videos/manuals/tutorials alone. Anyone know a guy in the DC area?

What you're asking for is a time commitment from someone longer than what it would be if you just dropped the vehicle off to them. Teaching somebody takes time and patience. I doubt you'd find a paid mechanic willing to do this for you for a few hundo but you might find an experienced DIY mechanic that might lend you a hand.

Most auto mechanics isn't that hard. Being successful comes down to a few things. First, you need the right information whether that comes from a manual, video, write-up or all of the above. Next, you need the right tools whether you own them, rent them, or Macgyver your own handmade tools. Finally you need the right mindset. With auto mechanics, you will run into problems which will test your problem solving skills, your patience and your temper. Shit goes wrong and you need to stay calm and figure it out.

Hate to be so blunt and you might think I'm a dick for saying it but it sounds like you're asking someone to come over and hold your hand. What the channel that [MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I started together is all about is empowering people to handle their maintenance, repairs and modifications on their own. I can't count how many times we've heard from people that told us one of our videos gave them the confidence to tackle a job they most likely wouldn't have attempted on their own.

I suggest you start with easy jobs and work you way up to the more involved jobs. Try doing your sparks plugs. It's super simple and not complicated. After that, use our video to do your valve cover gaskets. After that, maybe tackle the control arms. By the way, unless your control arms are rusted to shit, you don't need to replace the whole arms. You can replace just the bushings if you have the right tools.

The way that a lot of people, including myself, look at buying necessary tools is they are saving money on the shop labor doing it themselves and investing that in tools they can use for future jobs. Some tools are very specific and might not see much use but others like a Harbor Freight 20 ton press and a press sleeve kit can be used for all kinds of jobs.

Auto mechanics isn't for everyone. For some, their time is more important and they'd rather spend that time with family or whatever else other than hunched over their engine compartment or on their back under their rig. If you really want to be self-sufficient for your automotive mechanic needs, just start doing it. You'll gain confidence as you go.
 
We all start somewhere, working on cars, and often because we don't want to get ripped off and we want the job done right.

The fact you are willing to learn and try is great. Find a local shop but also a few local friends that can help, like what you are asking for. With the help of this forum, the internet, Tim and Sean's videos, all the work you need is doable at home with the right tools - many if which you can rent for free from AutoZone or O'Reilly's

If like your OP implies and you want to find a cheaper repair route, do as Brian suggests, otherwise it's all be done and documented before, much of it here. The valve covers are easy, albeit a bit time-consuming, but literally anyone can do it.

Do your research, make a plan, order your parts, research again and go for it!

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2 hrs labor for rear sway bar links???????? no more than 20 minutes a side.

OP, out of all the things on that list you can do the endlinks.... easily. No need for Toyota parts there either. Then move on to the spark plugs and wires ( I would do the coil pack boots too) Can get NGK OEM parts for less than half of what they are charging. Save the PVC and grommet for the VC gasket job.

I'd help you put I'm 2+ hrs away.
 
Ok y'all have been very helpful. What I really want is to find a local mechanic who will do the job WITH me. I have a garage and most of the tools, but would be more than happy to pay a few hundo to a knowledgable guy to teach me to fish here, so that I can do this kind of work from now on on my own and with videos/manuals/tutorials alone. Anyone know a guy in the DC area?



I understand your apprehension. Decide on a strategy for, e.g. search for a reliable auto tech which means researching online and reading reviews or talking to friends who have had work done or decide if you want to do it your self or with someones help in which case search for toyota 4x4 clubs or community garages etc and then follow through. It doesnt have to be a toyota tech. My mechanic buddy is certified ford tech at a ford dealership. you are at a good starting point and a forum that has been a great resource for me and now it's up to you to move forward.
 
I did not read the entire post so I am not sure if someone mentioned it, but most dealers charge a flat rate per job as opposed to hourly.

So if the book says "brake job - 6 hours" thats what they charge you. Even if they get it done in less time.

Better idea to wrench yourself or, find a local mechanic with good references. Ask friends and family.


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Just an FYI, I too live in the DC Baltimore region and the TB job price is very accurate. Toyota Dealerships raised their hourly shop rate in Jan/Feb to over $145/hr plus increased their mark up on prices for the TB parts, give or take 15% more. Back in College my local dealer in WV was only $95 an hour which was amazing in comparison.

For me in the Baltimore area TB was about $1200 with some major discounts applied. Luckily they found out that one of my primary pulleys was bad and replaced free of charge after demanding some discounts for frequent visits. aka 251,000 miles and counting, maintenance is never ending.

As others suggested, having a local wrenching buddy would be the most economical route or find a shop that will do it for under a grand.
 
-Valve Cover Gasket Replacement & Engine Wash- $939

-Timing Belt Package (pulleys, belt, & coolant)

-Spark plugs, wires, PCV replacement

-Rear Sway Bar Link replacement

I'm not sure what their hourly rate is, but yes that is way too much. The dealership I work at would be far less.....$1000+ less for all of it.

Are you serious?! What dealership do you work at? No way are you gonna get all of the above done at a dealer in the PNW for under $2500!
Just an FYI, I too live in the DC Baltimore region and the TB job price is very accurate. Toyota Dealerships raised their hourly shop rate in Jan/Feb to over $145/hr plus increased their mark up on prices for the TB parts, give or take 15% more.

Those rates, excluding replacing the end links, are about the norm for DC.

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TB job seems solid. The other three are high, but really not off the charts high.
Many people here see the "high prices" and think it's a rip off, because they know what the parts cost, and know they can do it themselves. I'd even say most of us here do our own work, so thinking about paying that much money for those jobs definitely sounds insane.
 
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Wow. I absolutely can’t imagine spending that kinda $ for those jobs. Rear sway bar links are less than $50 and 30 minutes. Spark plugs and wires are less than $75 and an hours work. Follow Tim’s advice and watch his videos. Tackle the job yourself.
 
2 hrs labor for rear sway bar links???????? no more than 20 minutes a side.

OP, out of all the things on that list you can do the endlinks.... easily. No need for Toyota parts there either. Then move on to the spark plugs and wires ( I would do the coil pack boots too) Can get NGK OEM parts for less than half of what they are charging. Save the PVC and grommet for the VC gasket job.

I'd help you put I'm 2+ hrs away.
that's exactly what i'm going to do. and through word of mouth I found a mechanic to help with the 2 bigger jobs (valve cover gasket and timing belt/water pump service)
 
Like others said, most of this you can muddle through yourself. I chickened out on the timing belt job myself, and took it to a dealer. In my area there are about 5 or 6 dealers within An hours drive, I called around, and ended up driving 40 minutes to save like 300 bucks. I bet there are tons of dealers in your area, call around.
 
Are you serious?! What dealership do you work at? No way are you gonna get all of the above done at a dealer in the PNW for under $2500!

A small Toyota dealership, as an assistant service manager. When the OP posted this, I quoted it all out, below $1500. We would rather have cash paying jobs than warranty work, therefore I don't see a reason to rip someone off or try and push them to a newer car. Treat people fair and keep their vehicle safe and maintained.
 
A small Toyota dealership, as an assistant service manager. When the OP posted this, I quoted it all out, below $1500. We would rather have cash paying jobs than warranty work, therefore I don't see a reason to rip someone off or try and push them to a newer car. Treat people fair and keep their vehicle safe and maintained.

Well, there's obviously big differences when it comes to the area of the country and your dealership sounds like an exception to the rule. In the California Bay Area, I would expect similar quotes to what the OP got. The dealer closest to me charges $150/hour and they don't cut you any slack. If the book says 5 hours, they charge 5 hours.

An experience I had with my local dealer helped inspire me to tackle more of my own repairs which helped launch the YouTube channel I started with [MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION]. I got bent over for $1500 paying for a rear axle seal job and rear brake job. When they botched the axle seal job and I had to go back to get it fixed, I realized these supposed experts didn't know as much as I thought they did. One of their main mechanics for this repair didn't even know what a grease test was to verify where the seal was riding on the retainer. Who knows how many 4runners and Tacomas left this dealership with an axle seal repair that wasn't done right.

Sure, there are good paid mechanics but there's also plenty of bad ones. One of the huge problems I see is how shops pay their mechanics. A flat rate system rewards mechanics that work fast. If a job books at 2 hours and the mechanic finishes it in 1 hour, they make more money. Shops will say they make sure their mechanics aren't cutting corners by monitoring them and if they have too many repairs that return they can be terminated. However, there are a lot of things that a fast moving mechanic can screw up and won't be noticed until the next guy gets in the there to do some work. One of the main ones is cross-threading fasteners or over-tightening fasteners. Zipping in bolts and nuts with an air ratchet saves a ton of time, but if the mechanic wasn't careful, they might have screwed the next guy who has to work on the vehicle. I had a co-worker tell me his driver side valve cover on his 3rd Gen ended up cracked after paying for a valve cover gasket job. I told him this should not have happened if the valve cover was properly tightened down evenly and to the proper torque spec. What did the shop do for my co-worker? They did the labor for free but he had to buy another valve cover out of his own pocket.

So, you have to ask yourself. Do you really want a mechanic working on your rig who's working as fast as he can so he can put more money in his pocket at the end of the day? That's not who I want working on my rig. The person who's going to do the best job on my rig is me because I'm not in a rush to get to the next job. I'm probably not going to tackle an engine rebuild or transmission rebuild but I feel the high majority of my automotive maintenance, repair and modification needs is within my ability as long as I have the right information, the right tools, the right mindset and the time to do it.

Ok, I'll get off my soap box now.
 
Ok, I'll get off my soap box now.

It's fine man. There are many reasons to do the work yourself and there's many to let other qualified mechanics do it. One is not always better then the other.

I appreciate that fact that you do your own wrenching and take time to publish those jobs to help others. I get the fact that you trust something you do yourself more then something you would pay a shop to do. I'm in the same boat. I trust my work because I can see it being done and verify everything is correct.

There's a shop in my town who has some of the best mechanics I know. All of them are ASE certified and all of them take pride in what they do. I stop by often just to BS and get advice. I'd let any if those guys wrench on my rig if I needed to.

There's another shop in my town that I wouldn't let touch my rig if I got a flat right in front of it. They over-quote and just do shit work in general.

If your gonna have a shop do it search for a qualified shop that gets great reviews. Stop in and ask to talk to not only the service manager but also the tech who'll be doing the work. Ask to see the ASE certs. Well reviewed shops will let you do all those things.

I work on my rig cause I like to just like a lot of other guys on here. I have the money to have a shop do things but I just really enjoy wrenching. There's a sense of satisfaction when you finish the job that you don't get when you let others do it. It also means the money saved in labor can go to more toys for my rig. lol

To each there own though.
 

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