Dealer performed smart stop recall without permission

rileyru

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Took the 4Runner to the dealer this morning for an oil change and NC state inspection. Service was really busy, so they asked if I could leave it for a few hours. My wife picked me up, and this afternoon I got a call from the dealer saying it was ready.

When I went back, the service advisor asked me if I was aware of a safety recall on the vehicle. I said they had informed me before about the unintended acceleration software update. I told him I had already declined it previously, due to never having any issues through the years, and because the 4Runner is an off-road oriented vehicle which encounters situations on trails where the brake and throttle might be applied at the same time.

The advisor walks me outside (bad sign) in the cold and explains that when someone else called me, they were supposed to get my permission for the recall instead of telling me the vehicle was ready... Long story short, they’d had an internal miscommunication, and the recall was done without my consent. He said his master tech was off today but they would work on a solution (I asked him to put this in writing). This really irritates me because the update seems completely unnecessary and I doubt they can fix it.

I did a search on the forum, but most of the info on this recall is several years old (looks to have expired?) Couple of questions:

- Can anyone confirm exactly what this update does and if the recall was expired?
- Could this software update be a nuisance on the trail?
- Can the update be “reversed?”
 
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I've never even noticed it on the trail. :shrug:

Apparently it doesn even activate in low range. Thats why I've never noticed it.
 
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I see this every time I log into the toyota owners club to log my maintenance:


Safety Recalls

Title

Special Service Campaign (SSC) BST Multiple Model and Model Years Smart Stop Technology

Status

Remedy Available

Description


In our continuing effort to ensure the best in customer satisfaction, Toyota has converted Limited Service Campaign (LSC) BST into Special Service Campaign (SSC) BST with no expiration date.

Remedy

Toyota will install Smart Stop Technology on the involved model and model year vehicles. This feature will cut engine power in case of simultaneous application of both the accelerator and brake pedals at certain speeds and in certain driving conditions.

Recall Date


March 31, 2014

Dealer Reference ID


BST
 
Hmm I wonder what the “certain speeds and conditions” are?

If it really doesn’t ever activate in low range then I suppose it’s alright

Thanks for the input!
 
Took the 4Runner to the dealer this morning for an oil change and NC state inspection. Service was really busy, so they asked if I could leave it for a few hours. My wife picked me up, and this afternoon I got a call from the dealer saying it was ready.

When I went back, the service advisor asked me if I was aware of a safety recall on the vehicle. I said they had informed me before about the unintended acceleration software update. I told him I had already declined it previously, due to never having any issues through the years, and because the 4Runner is an off-road oriented vehicle which encounters situations on trails where the brake and throttle might be applied at the same time.

The advisor walks me outside (bad sign) in the cold and explains that when someone else called me, they were supposed to get my permission for the recall instead of telling me the vehicle was ready... Long story short, they’d had an internal miscommunication, and the recall was done without my consent. He said his master tech was off today but they would work on a solution (I asked him to put this in writing). This really irritates me because the update seems completely unnecessary and I doubt they can fix it.

I did a search on the forum, but most of the info on this recall is several years old (looks to have expired?) Couple of questions:

- Can anyone confirm exactly what this update does and if the recall was expired?
- Could this software update be a nuisance on the trail?
- Can the update be “reversed?”

Whenever there is a safety recall, I think Toyota will do anything to fix it to avoid a huge lawsuit. Did you remember way back when Toyotas were accelerating for no reason? Their solution was to put retaining clips for the driver side floormat and shave off the pedal.

I took my 4runner in and they didn't ask me anything, they just shaved off the pedal and the only way I knew was on the receipt . I figure, if its a safety issue where I can get into an accident, I rather they do it without my permission. A heads up would be nice though.
 
From all I have read about this, it's is not reversible, but I will love to hear what they say about if it is or not, so please post what they say!!

This was done on mine before I bought it, I have tried to get it to do what it suppose to do by applying the brakes and hitting the gas at the same time when starting from a stop and I haven't had it stop the acceleration, but I haven't push it too hard just a little acceleration to see if it would cut out.
 
Dealership did the same thing to mine. It is not reversible. However my dealership got a used ECU from LKQ and confirmed it did not have the update, and put it in my car for free. They also let me keep my old ECU incase we ran into problems down the line. Been about two years since then and everything's all good.
 
Dealership did the same thing to mine. It is not reversible. However my dealership got a used ECU from LKQ and confirmed it did not have the update, and put it in my car for free. They also let me keep my old ECU incase we ran into problems down the line. Been about two years since then and everything's all good.

So technically it is reversible by replacing the ECU, which I assumed would be the case, good to know for others if or when their's got/gets replaced without approval!
 
Dealership did the same thing to mine. It is not reversible. However my dealership got a used ECU from LKQ and confirmed it did not have the update, and put it in my car for free. They also let me keep my old ECU incase we ran into problems down the line. Been about two years since then and everything's all good.

Did you notice any difference with and without the update? (Was it worth it to make them switch out the ECU?)
 
Source? If so, that's awesome.

From another thread located here.

Note the fine print:

"For example, the system will not activate in 4WD vehicles while driving in the low range. This system also allows the driver, for instance, to depress the brake pedal in conjunction with the accelerator pedal when starting on a steep hill. No matter the situation, activation is canceled when the brake pedal is released."
 
Hmm I wonder what the “certain speeds and conditions” are?

If it really doesn’t ever activate in low range then I suppose it’s alright

Thanks for the input!

the way they explained it to me was it only happens at highway speeds such as accidentally hitting both pedals by mistake or if the gas pedal sticks and you step on the brakes. its like a fail safe in case the pedal gets stuck under the floor mats which is what caused all of toyotas runaway acceleration issues

its not supposed to come on at speeds under 20 mph from what my service manager said about it. i asked because i tow a boat and "maybe" i might need both pedals one day so not to roll backwards.
 
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Did you notice any difference with and without the update? (Was it worth it to make them switch out the ECU?)

Couldn't tell you. Had the 4runner for like maybe a week before they replaced the ECU. In that time, I didn't even try it off road or press the gas pedal and brake.
 

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