Depression

I have Severe Clinical Depression and Asperger's Syndrome.


Perhaps an inspiration to you could be helping someone else out who also has your syndrome. My 7 year old nephew has Aspergers, his parents don't want to admit it, but the signs are all there. They have lost control of the child/parent dynamic, and this little boy is getting his way and I fear it will haunt him as he gets older.

What advice would you give a parent of a child with aspergers to understand what he is thinking? They can't discipline him at all or he loses it, has a spas and gives evil stink eyes to them, nothing is his fault, it's very frustrating.
 
Hey [MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION], I do not approve of the Amen clinics either but once someone mentioned them and you then gave a respectful, valid caution post against them the off topic should have stopped there.

That was my point but as you can see our local medical authority prefers to repeat himself over and over and insult anyone that fails to thank him for posting a link and endlessly quote from the link.

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So, here is my 2 cents and its worth exactly what you paid for it...

Life can be a b!t@h, its can be annoying and tedious and (many times) a real pain in the ass. But none of that is worse that the alternative. Plus, you don't strike me as the type of guy to "give up" on anything. I know a lot of people have posted dramatic stories of their own personal experience and "solutions" of trying medication, counseling or church - none of which I think will help. But, the important thing to take away from their stories is that you're not alone.

When you're living in a dark place, like depression you can start to believe that you are the only one that feels the way you do, which makes it all that much worse because no one can help you, since no one has experienced "your" life/problem before. Trust me, I know.

Sometimes it feels like the smallest thing will just send you over the edge. You could be making a sandwich and forget to get the mustard out of the fridge and for a moment that is the straw that breaks the camel's back. But, what are you going to do? End it all, put yourself out of your misery cause you forgot the mustard? C'mon, don't be a pu$$y, lots of people have it worse off than you. At least, that's what I tell myself when I have those days. Of course, the next thing I tell myself is, "just because they have it worse doesn't mean my life doesn't suck."

What I've learned is that it is all about perspective. Sometimes it doesn't take grand gesture or huge change to right the course. What do they tell you when you have to swerve to avoid something in the road? Don't jerk the wheel, turn it gradually so you don't loose control. Right? The same applies for life. If your morning routine is getting tedious and overwhelming, change it up. Maybe eat breakfast before you take a shower or brush your teeth before you get dressed (just a small shift, nothing major)
DISCLAIMER: I wouldn't recommend getting dressed before taking your shower though. Then, when you have those mental moments of wanting to give up or dwell on negativity, make a conscience decision to think about something else. Whenever I'm having a bad day, I listen to this

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I am. Just messing with the other guys. :lol: Sarcasm does not come across well on the net!

FWIW, I caught it, and got a laugh out of it.

Anyone that has been on this board for years, and in my case lurked from the beginning, knows you are one of the founders of this site, and that you are a Dr.

Attempting to belittle you by inferring you're an ER Tech, is kind of laughable though.

I will say this in closing on this tangent: I had never heard of the Amen Clinic until this thread. I personally appreciate hearing the full disclosure about that place.
 
Sorry, i have to add this in for interested party.

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This is the site to calculate radiation risk. It is legitimate...put out by American Society of Radiologic Technologists. See FAQ section of the site.

Some here question my integrity and why i have the opinion that i have. Here are some answers...source...UPTODATE.com, which is an authoritative medical site that looks at all major publications:

SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS

●Ionizing radiation from medical imaging now accounts for nearly half of the radiation exposure experienced by the population in the United States. The cumulative effect of small individual doses in a patient population undergoing frequent and often repeat imaging presents a new public health concern for risks such as radiation-induced malignancies.

●At doses used in diagnostic and interventional procedures, ionizing radiation releases free radicals that may cause DNA damage. Tissues are variably susceptible to radiation injury, based on their rate of cellular proliferation and their degree of cellular differentiation (table 1). Radiation-induced cancers may develop decades after exposure and include myeloma, leukemia, lung cancer, thyroid cancer, breast cancer, bone cancer, and skin cancer.

●The linear no-threshold (LNT) model assumes that any exposure to ionizing radiation, however small, can induce future cancer.

●“Effective dose” takes into account the particular tissue or organ that absorbs the radiation and reflects the equivalent whole-body dose that would result in the equivalent risk from a non-uniform source of irradiation such as a CT scan. Effective dose is measured in sieverts (Sv) or millisieverts (mSv) and allows comparison of exposure across different imaging modalities. Background effective dose is approximately 3 mSv; it is estimated that a whole body radiation dose of 1 Sv is associated with a 4 to 5 percent increased relative risk of fatal cancer.

Three guiding principles of radiation protection are justification, optimization, and limitation. Discussion about the possible risks of ionizing radiation should be part of the consent process prior to any radiologic procedure utilizing CT, fluoroscopy, or radioisotopes. Radiation risk in pregnant women is also heightened, with epidemiologic studies linking in utero radiation exposure to pediatric cancer mortality in offspring.
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I hope that this helps people understand my viewpoint, which is based on proven medical facts.
 
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It's become apparent I won't be organizing my thoughts enough to post here anytime soon. On the plus side, I won't add to any traffic congestion near the edge of the cliff.

Just wanted to check in to show support.
 
Perhaps an inspiration to you could be helping someone else out who also has your syndrome. My 7 year old nephew has Aspergers, his parents don't want to admit it, but the signs are all there. They have lost control of the child/parent dynamic, and this little boy is getting his way and I fear it will haunt him as he gets older.

What advice would you give a parent of a child with aspergers to understand what he is thinking? They can't discipline him at all or he loses it, has a spas and gives evil stink eyes to them, nothing is his fault, it's very frustrating.

I would highly recommend they pick up some books on Asperger's and read up on them, one book I related to very much was called "Look Me In the Eye" by john Elder Robison; its about his life as someone with Asperger's Syndrome and how he learned to make it a part of his life.

Its tough at that age and its going to be even tougher on the parents, depending on the severity of the condition. Some are higher functioning than others and even those that are higher functioning don't learn to manage their disorder well until their late teens. I know when I was younger (I genuinely have difficulty remembering before 8 years of age unless it was traumatic) I was easily overwhelmed by emotions because I did not understand them or have the tools to manage them very well so I would easily get overwhelmed by strong emotional responses. I used to headbutt things and self-harm when I became overwhelmed, upset, or angry; often enough to damage walls and such with little notice to myself. I didn't make life easy for my father and he had his own difficulties, I am glad to say our relationship is far better than the one I had as a child, but it took a lot of time and growth on both our parts.

I know when I was younger I found myself very saddened that I couldn't fit in with children my own age. Its like they have a sixth sense and KNOW you don't "fit in" with them no matter how much you try. The problem is many times kids are too young to understand how to properly deal with someone who is "different" and so for me I found myself always alienated by my peers and left with adults as my only source of real interaction. The sad part is the more I tried to decipher why I was different and try and "fix" myself it always ended up making things worse for me. I will admit that being in "Special Education" program for a while helped, it allowed me a place to go where people who were more familiar with my disorder could better support me. One brilliant person noticed I typed like a mad man but always got frustrated writing longhand and they made part of my IEP (individualized education plan) to use computers for typing assignments which helped me out a lot (I found myself frustrated with my inability to write by hand and keep up with my thoughts properly, not to mention my OCD tendencies to force "perfect" handwriting).

Disciplining is probably the hardest thing, because its easy for the child to be come confused and upset (sometimes I really didn't understand why people were upset with me, but I knew it was directed at me which made me feel worse.) I would say a LOT of patience is required and a trying to be fair but firm with the child; its not easy because children in general don't like to be punished and may not understand why they are being punished; but its a bit worse for Autistic Spectrum Disorders.

I would HIGHLY encourage them to find a therapist who specializes in Asperger's and children to have their child tested and perhaps even begin a therapy plan. I know its difficult to admit for some parents, but its better that they begin the education process for themselves and their child rather than wait longer when the child hits their teens. My teenage years were the hardest for me (many people with Asperger's seem to develop severe depression also), the combination of depression, inability to understand/manage my emotions, the sudden influx of random confusing, and at times alarming range of emotions I developed brought me to the brink of emotional break down often and even to suicide at some times. It took a lot of time, effort, and some in-patient programs for me to develop the stability and tools to manage both my Depression and Asperger's Syndrome; even to this day I still have my "Asperger's Moments" and I have to fight myself not to unload a huge load of self-hate, sadness, and other negative emotions as a result.

I hope this gives your friend some insight, its a very difficult subject to go into without recounting many personal moments in my life and without going on for pages.
 
I can't add to BW's excellent comments other than to convince the parents to talk to the school. I don't imagine Canadian schools are that much different than US schools and would expect the school to have already referred him for an evaluation.

Has the school done anything?
 
I would highly recommend they pick up some books on Asperger's and read up on them, one book I related to very much was called "Look Me In the Eye" by john Elder Robison; its about his life as someone with Asperger's Syndrome and how he learned to make it a part of his life.

Its tough at that age and its going to be even tougher on the parents, depending on the severity of the condition. Some are higher functioning than others and even those that are higher functioning don't learn to manage their disorder well until their late teens. I know when I was younger (I genuinely have difficulty remembering before 8 years of age unless it was traumatic) I was easily overwhelmed by emotions because I did not understand them or have the tools to manage them very well so I would easily get overwhelmed by strong emotional responses. I used to headbutt things and self-harm when I became overwhelmed, upset, or angry; often enough to damage walls and such with little notice to myself. I didn't make life easy for my father and he had his own difficulties, I am glad to say our relationship is far better than the one I had as a child, but it took a lot of time and growth on both our parts.

I know when I was younger I found myself very saddened that I couldn't fit in with children my own age. Its like they have a sixth sense and KNOW you don't "fit in" with them no matter how much you try. The problem is many times kids are too young to understand how to properly deal with someone who is "different" and so for me I found myself always alienated by my peers and left with adults as my only source of real interaction. The sad part is the more I tried to decipher why I was different and try and "fix" myself it always ended up making things worse for me. I will admit that being in "Special Education" program for a while helped, it allowed me a place to go where people who were more familiar with my disorder could better support me. One brilliant person noticed I typed like a mad man but always got frustrated writing longhand and they made part of my IEP (individualized education plan) to use computers for typing assignments which helped me out a lot (I found myself frustrated with my inability to write by hand and keep up with my thoughts properly, not to mention my OCD tendencies to force "perfect" handwriting).

Disciplining is probably the hardest thing, because its easy for the child to be come confused and upset (sometimes I really didn't understand why people were upset with me, but I knew it was directed at me which made me feel worse.) I would say a LOT of patience is required and a trying to be fair but firm with the child; its not easy because children in general don't like to be punished and may not understand why they are being punished; but its a bit worse for Autistic Spectrum Disorders.

I would HIGHLY encourage them to find a therapist who specializes in Asperger's and children to have their child tested and perhaps even begin a therapy plan. I know its difficult to admit for some parents, but its better that they begin the education process for themselves and their child rather than wait longer when the child hits their teens. My teenage years were the hardest for me (many people with Asperger's seem to develop severe depression also), the combination of depression, inability to understand/manage my emotions, the sudden influx of random confusing, and at times alarming range of emotions I developed brought me to the brink of emotional break down often and even to suicide at some times. It took a lot of time, effort, and some in-patient programs for me to develop the stability and tools to manage both my Depression and Asperger's Syndrome; even to this day I still have my "Asperger's Moments" and I have to fight myself not to unload a huge load of self-hate, sadness, and other negative emotions as a result.

I hope this gives your friend some insight, its a very difficult subject to go into without recounting many personal moments in my life and without going on for pages.


Thanks for all that, I'm going to pass it along to the inlaws!
 
I can't add to BW's excellent comments other than to convince the parents to talk to the school. I don't imagine Canadian schools are that much different than US schools and would expect the school to have already referred him for an evaluation.

Has the school done anything?

They had someone come observe him at school and she basically said there's nothing wrong because at school he follows all the rules and thrives in the routine schedule. They were going down the sensory processing disorder road, but he fits in Aspergers in every detail.
 
So what she really is saying is that he's not disprutive and conforming which makes him an ideal student. Where they're failing him is looking ahead which is why the parents need to be involved to advocate for their child. As long as he's compliant and the parents are in denial he'll float through the system until he fails academically, emotionally or socially. I'm glad to see you're caring and concerned for his welfare, keep it up.
 
So I've been told awhile back by my social worker stepmother that I may likely have aspergers myself... Poking around in this thread made me decide to finally see what the so-called symptoms were and how I could identify myself with them. I recognized about half of them, and most that stood out as something that I've done just today. I also found and took a "quiz" here on the internet and it came up with a 47% chance of having it.

-I have quite a bit of trouble forming coherent sentences on the fly. perhaps that's due to my mind going a mile a minute non-stop and I've already forgotten what I was talking about (really happening now too in all honesty).
-I am pretty awkward during conversations... but I easily catch on to when someone loses interest.
-I tend to mumble, and I do seem to talk in a bit of a monotone.
-get called weird or crazy nearly every day haha.
-I write really long work order notes and it pisses off my service advisor.
-absolutely bombed my interviews but still got hired. I have an intense attention to detail. very focused.
-been told I have some pretty weird facial expressions...
-I have only ever made about 3-4 very good friends. hundreds of "friends" though. And I don't live near any of them anymore.
also I've been doing some weird hand motions n shit lately. Just realized how often I do it now so I'll have to watch that.

Also I do not mean to take over the thread... I think just putting down some notes somewhere helps me and maybe someone else can identify? I dunno, but I have felt like I've come close to depression a few times and decided it wasn't worth dealing with so I went and did something that I enjoyed.
 
So I've been told awhile back by my social worker stepmother that I may likely have aspergers myself... Poking around in this thread made me decide to finally see what the so-called symptoms were and how I could identify myself with them. I recognized about half of them, and most that stood out as something that I've done just today. I also found and took a "quiz" here on the internet and it came up with a 47% chance of having it.

-I have quite a bit of trouble forming coherent sentences on the fly. perhaps that's due to my mind going a mile a minute non-stop and I've already forgotten what I was talking about (really happening now too in all honesty).
-I am pretty awkward during conversations... but I easily catch on to when someone loses interest.
-I tend to mumble, and I do seem to talk in a bit of a monotone.
-get called weird or crazy nearly every day haha.
-I write really long work order notes and it pisses off my service advisor.
-absolutely bombed my interviews but still got hired. I have an intense attention to detail. very focused.
-been told I have some pretty weird facial expressions...
-I have only ever made about 3-4 very good friends. hundreds of "friends" though. And I don't live near any of them anymore.
also I've been doing some weird hand motions n shit lately. Just realized how often I do it now so I'll have to watch that.

Also I do not mean to take over the thread... I think just putting down some notes somewhere helps me and maybe someone else can identify? I dunno, but I have felt like I've come close to depression a few times and decided it wasn't worth dealing with so I went and did something that I enjoyed.

Don't worry, I had an original title of "Depression, Asperger's... so yeah, I'm Crazy!" for the thread.

I laughed so hard at "-I write really long work order notes and it pisses off my service advisor" because everyone is always saying, "what the hell are you writing a damn essay?"

But yeah, don't worry this thread started as me coming out about my depression, but I am perfectly fine if this thread evolves into talking about mental illness and helping others with mental illness in themselves or others because I feel that we all have a lot of constructive things to add to it. So please don't feel like you are "thread jacking" by talking to us about mental illness besides Depression.

Also, happy Turkey Genocide day everyone!
 
What do you think about Asperger's being de-listed as a physcological illness and instead being moved to the Autism spectrum in the current DSM?


As of 2013 there is no more Asperger's but rather "Autism Spectrum" according to the AMA and writers of the DSM 5.


Literally the 2nd link that popped up on Google
Autism spectrum diagnoses: The DSM-5 eliminates Asperger?s and PDD-NOS.


I only mention it because it hasn't been brought up yet in this thread.
 
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Here is the data from the now expired DSM 4


DSM IV Diagnostic Criteria for Asperger's Syndrome



[The following is from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: DSM IV]
(I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction

(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)

(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity


(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus

(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

(C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)

(D) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects


(III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

(IV) There is no clinically significant general delay in language (E.G. single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)

(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

(VI) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia."
 
From the DSM 5


http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Autism Spectrum Disorder Fact Sheet.pdf



One of the most important changes in the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Men- tal Disorders (DSM-5) is to autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The revised diagnosis represents a new, more accurate, and medically and scientifically useful way of diagnosing individuals with autism-related disorders.

Using DSM-IV, patients could be diagnosed with four separate disorders: autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, or the catch-all diagnosis of pervasive developmental dis- order not otherwise specified. Researchers found that these separate diagnoses were not consistently applied across different clinics and treatment centers. Anyone diagnosed with one of the four pervasive developmental disorders (PDD) from DSM-IV should still meet the criteria for ASD in DSM-5 or another, more accurate DSM-5 diagnosis. While DSM does not outline recommended treatment and services for mental disorders, determining an accurate diagnosis is a first step for a clinician in defining a treatment plan for a patient.

The Neurodevelopmental Work Group, led by Susan Swedo, MD, senior investigator at the National Institute of Mental Health, recommended the DSM-5 criteria for ASD to be a better reflection of the state of knowledge about autism. The Work Group believes a single umbrella disorder will improve the diagnosis of ASD without limiting the sensitivity of the criteria, or substantially changing the number of children being diagnosed.

People with ASD tend to have communication deficits, such as responding inappropriately in conversa- tions, misreading nonverbal interactions, or having difficulty building friendships appropriate to their age. In addition, people with ASD may be overly dependent on routines, highly sensitive to changes in their environment, or intensely focused on inappropriate items. Again, the symptoms of people with ASD will fall on a continuum, with some individuals showing mild symptoms and others having much more severe symptoms. This spectrum will allow clinicians to account for the variations in symptoms and behaviors from person to person.

Under the DSM-5 criteria, individuals with ASD must show symptoms from early childhood, even if those symptoms are not recognized until later. This criteria change encourages earlier diagnosis of ASD but also allows people whose symptoms may not be fully recognized until social demands exceed their capacity to receive the diagnosis. It is an important change from DSM-IV criteria, which was geared toward identifying school-aged children with autism-related disorders, but not as useful in diagnosing younger children.

The DSM-5 criteria were tested in real-life clinical settings as part of DSM-5 field trials, and analysis from that testing indicated that there will be no significant changes in the prevalence of the disorder. More recently, the largest and most up-to-date study, published by Huerta, et al, in the October 2012 issue of American Journal of Psychiatry, provided the most comprehensive assessment of the DSM-5 criteria for ASD based on symptom extraction from previously collected data. The study found that DSM-5 criteria identified 91 percent of children with clinical DSM-IV PDD diagnoses, suggesting that
most children with DSM-IV PDD diagnoses will retain their diagnosis of ASD using the new criteria. Sev- eral other studies, using various methodologies, have been inconsistent in their findings.
 

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