Do I have a ****ty sound system?

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Hi,

I just sent the OP this email. I think it about covers the options as I see it.


I am not an audio professional just an amateur enthusiast. If you want opinion from a PRO go talk with the scientists and engineers at AVSforum.com


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Anthony,

If you have a $1000 to spend I would do it like this.

Head Unit $250-$350

4 Channel Amp $300

Front Speakers $150-$200

Rear Speakers $125 (best idea is to skip for now and use cash on head unit or amp ... you can't hear them anyways)

4 Gauge wiring kit $75

Speaker Wire $25


Trust me .... if you try to put in subs and speakers for $1000 you will only be able to buy SH$T gear. Get everything but the SUBS now and then in a few months buy the subs with additional money.

I used Crutfield, they are very good except that you will need to cut for the rear speakers because factory is only a 4" which is such a ****ty small size that no-one should ever use it. Brands matter !!!!


Things to look for in a Head Unit:
Signal to Noise Ratio. This is where Alpine and Kenwood Excelon really Kick-ASS over Pioneer. If you look it up you will see that the Excelon & Alpine have a SN of 105-110db vs Pioneer at 93-95db. This is a measure of how "clean" the sound is. Since you are going to be running a 4-Channel AMP you will have plenty of current. A poorer SN-ratio will result in more noise at higher levels. WATTAGE - this will not matter if you have a 4-channel AMP since you will be using the amp not the head unit for powering the speakers.


This high SN-ratio will mean that you can turn the volume up to ear-hurting levels with the sound staying crystal clear and static free. This is of course only on audio tracks that were recorded top notch. A good example for Rock music is Vicarious by Tool @ 320 kpbs MP3. This track will sound really awesome at high volumes. Also any song by queen was probably recorded very well.


Speakers - you WANT to get front components. Getting the tweeter to fit in the factory spot is easy to do if you are crafty and have either double sided 3M mounting tape or perhaps a glue gun. The woofer will fit perfectly. Use Crutchfield to ensure a solid fit. Rear speakers - I suggest you get 5.5" rear speakers and cut the doors to make them fit. Then use some type of rubber molding to fill any gaps.

Amp - You will want to start with a 4 channel AMP and run new speaker wires. It might be tempting but I would not get a "all-in-one" AMP that does 4-channel and a SUB. I think you should start with the 4-channel of AT LEAST 75x4 RMS. Do you know what RMS is? This is very important, use WIKI to read more. The point is that you want 75x4 RMS or higher.

More on AMPS -->

1) you get what you pay for
2) manufactors do sometimes lie about the RMS output and quality
3) major name brands lie less
4) Peek wattage is an irrelevant metric
5) stay away from EBAY and brands that are rare

Sound Deadening
- I have done this. I used industrial roofing material. It worked great with no problems. There is a slight smell but it goes away after 2 weeks. I cannot recommend after-market deadening products because I have not used them. By using the industrial material, you will get 3 ft x 50 roll for $100. I would hold off on doing the sound deadening until after you install the stereo.

Install - you can DIY or pay someone. Do not pay best buy, they charge way too much. I would find a local shop that and ask them to do it. It is super easy so it will not be a problem.


Recommended sites to visit:

DIYmobileaudio
DIYMA.com - Car Audio Forum & 12 volt Community Board

AVSforum
AVS Forum

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AMPLIFIERS (will it fit under the front seat / is it a good brand ????)

4-Channel (1 amp for speakers, buy 2nd amp later for SUBS)

Alpine MRP-F300 V-Power Series 4-channel car amplifier 50 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield.com

Alpine MRP-F300 V-Power Series 4-channel car amplifier 50 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield.com

Alpine PDX-F4 4-channel car amplifier — 100 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield Signature

JL Audio XD400/4 4-channel car amplifier — 75 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield Signature

JL Audio JX360/4 4-channel car amplifier — 70 watts RMS x 4 at Crutchfield.com




5-Channel (good option if you have the CASH)

Alpine MRX-V60 5-channel car amplifier — 50 watts RMS x 4 at 4 ohms + 300 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms at Crutchfield.com


Alpine PDX-5 5-channel car amplifier 75 watts RMS x 4 + 300 watts RMS x 1 at Crutchfield Signature


JL Audio XD700/5 5-channel car amplifier — 75 watts RMS x 4 at 4 ohms + 300 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms at Crutchfield Signature







HEAD UNITS ($200 - $399 / No sh$t brands)

Kenwood DDX318 DVD receiver - Features & Specs at Crutchfield.com

Kenwood KIV-BT901 Digital media receiver at Crutchfield.com

Pioneer AVH-P2300DVD DVD receiver at Crutchfield.com

Alpine CDA-117 CD receiver at Crutchfield Signature

Pioneer MVH-P8300BT Digital media receiver at Crutchfield.com

Kenwood Excelon KDC-X995 CD receiver at Crutchfield Signature

Kenwood KIV-701 Digital media receiver at Crutchfield.com

Pioneer FH-P8000BT CD receiver at Crutchfield.com

Pioneer MVH-P7300 Digital media receiver at Crutchfield.com

Kenwood Excelon KDC-X895 CD receiver at Crutchfield Signature

Alpine CDE-126BT CD receiver at Crutchfield Signature

Kenwood KDC-BT848U CD receiver at Crutchfield.com



SPEAKERS
($125 - $299 / No sh$t brands)

Infinity Reference 6030cs 6-3/4" component speaker system — also fit in 6-1/2" openings at Crutchfield.com

Infinity Kappa 60.9cs 6-3/4" component speaker system For 6-1/2" and 6-3/4" openings at Crutchfield Signature

Polk Audio db6501 6-1/2" component speaker system — also fit 6-3/4" openings at Crutchfield.com

Boston Acoustics SC60 SC Series 6-1/2" component speaker system — also fits 6-3/4" openings at Crutchfield Signature

Polk Audio MM6501 6-3/4" component speaker system — also fits 6-1/2" openings at Crutchfield Signature

Alpine SPR-60C Type-R 6-3/4" component speaker system — also fits 6-1/2" openings at Crutchfield Signature

Boston Acoustics SR60 6-1/2" component speaker system — fits 6-3/4" and 6-1/2" openings at Crutchfield Signature


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Solid information from brianemc2_42! Just to reiterate what he was saying about the 5 channel amps, if you want to save space and have the funds, then go with one, but most people run 2 amps. 1 for the speakers and 1 for the sub. I run a JL 300/4 under the drivers seat. I have the Infinity Reference 6030cs components brian posted above installed up in front and can vouch that they sound amazing. Very solid speakers. I have JL Audio C2 coaxials for the back and again like brian said, you probably won't notice a major difference if you're sitting in front but I would recommend them if you tend to have passengers in the back because they'll mostly be hearing bass. For my sub, I am running a 12" JL W0 powered by a JL 300/1. I mostly listen to hip-hop so personally for me I love my bass and surprisingly 300w hits hard enough for my needs. For my HU I am running a Pioneer AVH-P4100. Totally recommend this HU because it has everything. Touchscreen, awesome EQ, iPod, USB, AUX, DVD, CD, etc. You can also add a back-up camera and connect it to your Bluetooth enabled phone. I also like the HU because it can tilt up and down to set at the perfect viewing angle. I purchased the HU and speakers all from Amazon. They usually have the best deals for them. I waited around on craigslist to find a my sub and amps. Got them used for a steal. My next plans are to sound deaden the car and possibly upgrade my sub to a 12" W6 or W7 when my funds are looking right. All in all I spent a little under 2000 bucks for my whole setup and had it all professionally installed. This was about a year and half ago though.
Oh yeah, and defiantly upgrade your battery if you're going to be doing all of this. Everyone will probably recommend a deep cycle battery such as an Optima or Odyssey battery. I have an Optima Yellow-Top in my runner.
 
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Solid information from brianemc2_42! Just to reiterate what he was saying about the 5 channel amps, if you want to save space and have the funds, then go with one, but most people run 2 amps. 1 for the speakers and 1 for the sub. I run a JL 300/4 under the drivers seat. I have the Infinity Reference 6030cs components brian posted above installed up in front and can vouch that they sound amazing. Very solid speakers. I have JL Audio C2 coaxials for the back and again like brian said, you probably won't notice a major difference if you're sitting in front but I would recommend them if you tend to have passengers in the back because they'll mostly be hearing bass. For my sub, I am running a 12" JL W0 powered by a JL 300/1. I mostly listen to hip-hop so personally for me I love my bass and surprisingly 300w hits hard enough for my needs. For my HU I am running a Pioneer AVH-P4100. Totally recommend this HU because it has everything. Touchscreen, awesome EQ, iPod, USB, AUX, DVD, CD, etc. You can also add a back-up camera and connect it to your Bluetooth enabled phone. I also like the HU because it can tilt up and down to set at the perfect viewing angle. I purchased the HU and speakers all from Amazon. They usually have the best deals for them. I waited around on craigslist to find a my sub and amps. Got them used for a steal. My next plans are to sound deaden the car and possibly upgrade my sub to a 12" W6 or W7 when my funds are looking right. All in all I spent a little under 2000 bucks for my whole setup and had it all professionally installed. This was about a year and half ago though.
Oh yeah, and defiantly upgrade your battery if you're going to be doing all of this. Everyone will probably recommend a deep cycle battery such as an Optima or Odyssey battery. I have an Optima Yellow-Top in my runner.


I have the same HU and love it. This radio really opened up my system compared to my old Alpine HU.
I have it set up with a Alpine Type R 10" in a Bassworx box along w/ an Alpine mrp-m500 amp and Type R components in the front+

And this set up sounds better than whats in my X5
 
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I am extremely happy with my sound system and I have been complemented several times on the quality.

Alpine Head Unit

Alpine 4 Channel Amp - 75x4 RMS
Front: Infinity Kappa components
Rear: Infinity Kappa 6x9 (some cutting required)

.5F RockFord-F CAP
MTX Audio 6500D - 700x1 RMS
12 x 2 MTX Audio subs


ROCK ON!


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^^I agree. My last car I invested about 2000 dollars worth of equipment, plus my time installing all of it and I went with infinities like Brian because the sound was so crisp.

Instead I had Infinity Kappa Perfects Components up front ($300+ at the time), and Infinity Kappa's in the rear. Once those were amped to a 4 channel amp man they sounded so clear! They sound a bit 'bright' so you have to tone down the tweeters a bit, but I loved them.

The sound deadening material makes a HUGE difference. Especially deadening the doors where the speakers are housed makes a large improvement in mid and bass response and accuracy. I went with a company named Raamaudio and was very pleased.
 
"DIN" is the standard radio size (2" x 7".) Your truck has a "Double Din" or (4" x 7") opening in the dash. The brackets the hold the radio in the dash can support either size. No cutting.

Here is my old Alpine 3DA-W882 (Double Din) that I just retired after 13 years of flawless service.





SOCCO,

I love these older Alpines. Alpine stereos used to have tilt, V-Drive (27W RMS), 512 colors, 4V pre-outs, 6 actual buttons, nice sturdy volume nob.

The newer models have no tilt, 15 W RMS, few colors, 2V pre-outs.

WTF Alpine!
 
SOCCO,

I love these older Alpines. Alpine stereos used to have tilt, V-Drive (27W RMS), 512 colors, 4V pre-outs, 6 actual buttons, nice sturdy volume nob.

The newer models have no tilt, 15 W RMS, few colors, 2V pre-outs.

WTF Alpine!

Thanks Brian! I actually just sold that deck and the 12 disc changer that I had with it. It killed me to do it, but when you have 1000 songs on your iPhone...The 15 CD capacity seems pointless. Besides, I threw out my last tape, I found it in the deck. I went looking for a new Alpine but they're all made in China and just uninspiring to look at. Too Bad.
 
This look like a decent system?


Alpine CDE-HD138BT
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For 2000 TOYOTA 4 RUNNER
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Wiring Harness: Scosche TA02B / TA02
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Dash Kit: Scosche TA2154B / TA2154
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