Does your 4th gen blow all over the road?

keithyota

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I get a lot of instability at high speed and especially worse in wind, like 15mph and it blows around as if pressure ubilds up and then is released and washes the other side.

Just had alignment done, caster angle 3deg. Max of specification is 4 deg caster. Would adding more caster address this?

I've had it looked over at Toyota and they only noted the caster angle when it was 2 deg was too low. Noted maybe change PS fluid, but that was already done, used ATF fluid

Has new LCA and shocks. 130,000 miles.
Tires are slightly cupped.
 
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I get a lot of instability at high speed and especially worse in wind, like 15mph and it blows around as if pressure ubilds up and then is released and washes the other side.

Just had alignment done, caster angle 3deg. Max of specification is 4 deg caster. Would adding more caster address this?

I've had it looked over at Toyota and they only noted the caster angle when it was 2 deg was too low. Noted maybe change PS fluid, but that was already done, used ATF fluid

Has new LCA and shocks. 130,000 miles.
Tires are slightly cupped.

If you're lifted, aftermarket UCAs will help tremendously. Mine is noticeably dart-y with stock UCAs and a mild lift, for that reason alone I'll upgrade the UCAs when I go slightly higher.
 
These things dont like cross winds.
Caster almost to 5* really helped mine go straight.
Just under 3 and it was horrible. IMO
 
That sounds right on to me, horrible is a good descriptive. It was a 2 then 3, it's better at 3. I suspect need lot more.
I hope can be done with stock UCA's.
 
Needs more caster, I need to adjust mine as I'm having the same issue. Sort of wanders on the highway, but the wind makes it really sketchy. I'm at about 3.5, gonna go to 5 and see if that fixes it. If your rig is lifted, you're gonna need aftermarket UCA's eventually.

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Its stock height.
I'm glad to hear others have the same problem. It's at 3 so I hope can get it to 5 range and fix it. That's exactly what I told the last shop that did the alignment but they didn't get the message. I'm having it realigned at Toyota stealer to see what magic they can do.
 
Is there any slop in the steering with the car off but key turned enough to move the wheel back and forth? A loose steering shaft u-joint or rack bushings will make it feel bad at higher speeds.
 
I can't say I've noted that winds make my 4th gen feel unstable... I've driven across Saskatchewan and didn't notice it was any more or less squirrelly than any other vehicle would be.

I'd wonder if a bushing might be done somewhere in the suspension and allows lateral movement whenever force is applied to the side of the truck... yet the bushing is sturdy enough to pass the quick inspection a shop would give prior to an alignment.

If the truck feels like a go-kart in a parking lot, chances are it's caster, sure; the steering wheel is getting a tonne of leverage on the wheels so it steers super easy. Consequently, it feels nervous/wobbly at higher speeds. And the truck would feel very unstable in windy conditions because the truck doesn't track to centre on its own, easily; thus inputs can "overcorrect". When i take my hands off the wheel, the truck drives straight as an arrow. With caster out of spec, it probably wouldn't (nor would anyone do that 'cuz the truck is nervous already).

There's a lot of other alignment issues that can cause it, though; I guess what I'm trying to say is look for all other symptoms of caster issues before blowing up money trying to fix that problem... when the problem is really somewhere else:

-feels like a go-kart
-doesn't confidently track straight on a straight/smooth/level road
-steering inputs feel "twitchy", like if you breathe on the wheel it'll turn. obviously the truck shouldn't feel like a battleship to turn, but it's not a smart car, the wheel should give some feedback through it about what the tires are doing.

Get up on the running boards and get the truck bouncing. It should settle quickly when you stop bouncing the suspension, and it should be reasonably quiet while the suspension articulates. If it howls, creaks, squeaks, bangs, something is wrong in there somewhere.

That's all I can think of, hopefully something in there helps. Best luck!


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Is there any slop in the steering with the car off but key turned enough to move the wheel back and forth? A loose steering shaft u-joint or rack bushings will make it feel bad at higher speeds.

great point, rack bushings being shot gave my truck some pretty weird steering characteristics. All the shops missed it, as well. It occurred to me on day driving it, when the truck veered one way going up a hill, then veered the other going down the hill... seemed obvious it was the rack bushings and I felt real dumb that it took that long to figure it out. As Mike said, have someone turn the wheel with the truck off, you'll see the rack wiggle back and forth on its own. Should be ZERO play in that puppy.
 
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Stating the obvious but are you certain the tires are not overinflated past 32psi?

Also its a weak fix but maybe try airing down the front tires a few psi and see if that helps
 
This wandering is also apparently a symptom of old/worn UCAs. I'm buying a new-to-me Tacoma swap suspension that includes the UCAs off a 2020 Tacoma TRD Off-Road, taken off at 3,700 miles. I'm thinking these will have to be a significant improvement over my factory UCAs at 14+ years old (my '07's build date is 9/06) and 195+K miles.

I'll post here once I get them installed and put some miles on them. If it's an improvement, Tacoma UCAs are a solid choice given they're plug 'n play, usually readily available, and inexpensive compared to aftermarket or new stock parts.
 
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KO2 tires was the worst contributor to my wandering. Factor in the wind and things can very hairy. Experiment with tire pressures, got adjustable uca and alignment to the moon and back. Still wander and get pushed around by the wind. Got new tires a few months back and it has been great. Wandering is nearly gone and wind gust are more controllable. Still annoying but way better than before. This is my experience with my Runner.
 
The condition of the sway bar components, particularly the links, will also impact this issue. And the condition of the shocks/struts. In any event, the large cross section area of the side of the 4 Runner will dispose to the problem you mention.
 
dang, sounds like these vehicles are touchy...kinda what yota dealer said...could be tires, although my tires were good... Michelin LTX.

What kind of tires you running now?

I had caster angle bumped up to 3.9 and it's better, still not where I think should be.
 
new suspension and links and lca's. What did you mean by the large cross section...e.g. it's the design? 3rd gen did not handle like this
 
like to hear the result. noone has noted a problem with UCAs, but they are original. guess it's possible something worn. Toyota service test driver did not think there was anything funky going on but to me, it wanders. maybe it's how these things operate...
 

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