Dog Shock collars

In my opinion the use of shock collars is not a black and white one. I do feel the vast majority of times that the use of them can be avoided through proper training. But I also feel they have a time and place. My dog's favorite thing in the world is to sit on the back of a wakeboat and bite the waves. The problem that arises is that he barks incessantly while doing it. I can promise you that there is no amount of training that would get him to stop doing that. So the choice came down to trying a shock collar or not allowing him in the boat at all. With one day of training using a collar, he was able to go out on the boat and have the time of his life all while not barking.

Below is an example of him before the collar. My friend (who's boat it is) and I never had an issue with his barking, but it was fairly rare that it was just him and I out. Well, rare in the nice weather. Sh*tty weather here = glass conditions, but no one wanting to go out, so we tend to ride dirty in those cases.

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I use them a lot. Don't listen to the negative comment section. They work great and are a perfect training/working tool. What works is all about the dog, range, and anticipated result.

The cheaper ones are limited in their ability to adapt and or modify to what your particular dog may do. Garmin is pretty much the standard as they have bought out Tri Tronics. You could get away with a Sport Dog or Garmin lower price unit in the 150-250 range for what your looking for. They don't work for me. I am not a fan of a straight up bark collar that shocks when they bark, growl, etc. regardless of the reason for it.

They will learn but they also associate the behavior change with the collar so usually it requires the collar if that is how they learned. The shorthair gets maybe 1-2 nicks every 10 hunts, but I use tone and vibrate almost constantly. He will hunt 3-4 days a week during season. I flippen want to shove a whistle up a hunters ARSE, and punch him in the throat for yelling.


We hunt stealth...birds don't hear us coming until too late. I added in a pic of the newest one....he is super excited about his turn to RIDE THE LIGHTENING!!!!
 

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broncosi said:
Questionable chew toy :dizzy:
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Ha...but really it is a ....perfect chew toy for these types of dogs....when the guns come out its play time!! He wants to play with that "thing" because he gets lots of praise and treats. Plus it makes loud noises...and play toys with loud noises means lets have fun (In more than just dog ways....lol) Play time means he gets to go find things then he gets to bring those things back dead after the toy goes bang.

Same goes for the shock collar....they actually love it and can't sit still when you grab it.
 
After 28 years of working with animals one thing I have learned is that each one is different. There is no ONE right Way. No ONE Way that is best for training them. Each one is different and you must be able to adapt to each one and with each one be able to accept some short comings. Some are better than others, some you need to be more forceful with while others you need to baby them through things. Some need long training sessions while others do better with short quick ones. There is so much we don’t understand about animals and much is being learned. I just watched an interesting special on training service dogs and one thing they brought up was right pawed, left pawed, and ambidextrous dogs. They won’t even take a left pawed dog into the training program because it has been found that they are highly prone to behavioral issues and it was highly unlikely the dogs would ever make it as a service dog. I have never used a shock collar but I can see where one might be needed (limited use) and in some cases it could save a dogs life.
 
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The invention of the shock collar was a very humane invention compared to how unruly bird dogs were handled until the 1970's.
The diehard bird hunters of the day if they had a dog that would not hold on a covey till hunter was in range, called busting a covey, would shoot the dog in the azz with a load of bird shot at a safe range. This was done with dogs that they sometimes loved more than there own kids, tough love. Saw it done a few times and it worked that dog would never bust a covey again If it did that dog was not worth owning.
 
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Not a fan, I did buy one for one of my dogs and the vibration was enough to curb the crazy. Very well trained dog, all 4 of mine are but this one dog went nuts if it saw another dog.. so in my case it worked. in fact just putting the collar on the dog was enough to curb the habit, it wasn't even turned on. A vibration is a hell of lot more humane than a smack or an ass of buck shot.
 
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Bodhi327 said:
A vibration is a hell of lot more humane than a smack or an ass of buck shot.
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Lol, buck shot would of killed the dog, #8 bird shot was used. Just the way it was, this didn't happen with young dogs or pups
seasoned dogs that new better.
 
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96RedRunner said:
The invention of the shock collar was a very humane invention compared to how unruly bird dogs were handled until the 1970's.
The diehard bird hunters of the day if they had a dog that would not hold on a covey till hunter was in range, called busting a covey, would shoot the dog in the azz with a load of bird shot at a safe range. This was done with dogs that they sometimes loved more than there own kids, tough love. Saw it done a few times and it worked that dog would never bust a covey again If it did that dog was not worth owning.
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Done it.....had a crazy stubborn shorthair.....once or twice a year she was just running and blowing birds. Did it her whole life.....let her run until she was about 75yds out and let her have it. Bee line right back to me....we chat about it...praise her up real nice and she was good for another month. She made me get better at shooting...miss too many and she would start grabbing them from point. LOL..otherwise a great dog
 
reelamin said:
Done it.....had a crazy stubborn shorthair... She made me get better at shooting...miss too many and she would start grabbing them from point. LOL..otherwise a great dog
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That's funny, she came back with live bird had a lil chat with you on shooting :lol:
 
Just curious... how is it possible to train a dog not to bark, when usually the problem barkers are the ones doing it when no one is home to shut them up??
 
Ray Dunakin said:
Just curious... how is it possible to train a dog not to bark, when usually the problem barkers are the ones doing it when no one is home to shut them up??
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white noise....is a good way to train problem barkers that are home alone.

Run a loud room fan or room air filter near the front door, when you aren't home, or wherever, the dogs get triggered to bark.
 
Ray Dunakin said:
Just curious... how is it possible to train a dog not to bark, when usually the problem barkers are the ones doing it when no one is home to shut them up??
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Never had a barker....started them very early that was not acceptable. Some would run off the place after I was gone a while. I would drive away...walk back and wait....once they stepped past the line...holy hell broke loose. Didnt take many trips and they figured it was not worth it to follow.

Personally...barkers are because of lazy owners. Sure there is the one dog....but most owners are just lazy and don't care enough to stop it. Same thing happens in our home....me "bed" dog goes to bed and does not move. Others...blah, blah, blah, blah....dog does WTF it want.

The new pup I stop him at the end of the garage....hand in face "stay" go to my car....he follows....I lead him back and do it again. Guess what...11 weeks old and when I tell him to stay with a hand up....he stays. Not so with others in the house. Dogs are not stupid...but they are creatures of habit with praise and consequence.
 
Ray Dunakin said:
Just curious... how is it possible to train a dog not to bark, when usually the problem barkers are the ones doing it when no one is home to shut them up??
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White noise works, a radio being tuned to talk radio station works also.
Get another dog for a playmate dogs get bored just like people.
 
reelamin said:
The new pup I stop him at the end of the garage....hand in face "stay" go to my car....he follows....I lead him back and do it again. Guess what...11 weeks old and when I tell him to stay with a hand up....he stays. Not so with others in the house. Dogs are not stupid...but they are creatures of habit with praise and consequence.
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Lol, pups foals/colts and kids they all about the same, actions have consequences.
 
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