Egg Smell... I'm Not Alone?!?!

a by product since when? toyota's pre 2002 didnt do this.. i first noticed it on 02 camry's when i worked at toyota.. .. we should be making advances in life, not going backwards.. i'd rather smell the gas fumes of a classic car than a rotten egg smell when i'm on my way to the beach and have to pass someone.. it literally makes everyone face scrunch up in disgust.. you cant sit there and say that this HORRIBLE smell is NORMAL? you're a smart guy.. something in you has got to understand where i'm coming from. 75% of cars on the road, DON'T make a sulfur smell when under harder acceleration.. let alone under load w/o the vehicle shifting down a gear when you go up a slight hill.. otherwise you'd smell it through your air vents on every up hill... think about it..

It literally makes me keep my rear window up at times when i want it down.. and have found myself rolling it up pre-pass or just as i pass someone or go up a steady long hill while maintaining my speed. Toyotas 4.7 and 5.7 engines don't do it.. whats the secret?

I can't sit there and say it's normal? I can if it's the truth. I have been driving a long time and since the '80's vehicles have been making that smell. Usually they make it right after starting the vehicle or sometimes under hard acceleration after coming to a complete stop. It's the chemistry of the reaction in the catalytic converter, and I have smelled it from a lot of different vehicles.
Adam, just for you I drove most of the way home yesterday from Charlotte, NC to my house with the rear window down and the sunroof open. This is a distance of 190 or so miles. 180 of these miles were on interstate I-77. A few minutes after I left Charlotte, I opened the sunroof and lowered the back window. I drove for 140 miles and never smelled the "rotten egg smell." We went up and down hills, I passed people, people passed me, etc. Now, I have gotten the rotten egg smell before but it almost always comes from hard acceleration when the engine is cold. Again, just for you I did a little research.

From Southwest Research Institute in Texas:
...hydrogen sulfide or H2S. It does not exist in the fuel or oil, which is why you can't smell it at the gas station. It does, however, come from the gasoline. Almost all gasoline contains organic sulfur compounds with sulfur levels ranging from 30 to 100 parts per million, approximately.

"As the fuel burns, the organic sulfur compounds break down into simpler compounds. If the engine is running lean (more air than is needed to burn the fuel), the sulfur is likely to be SO2, or sulfur dioxide. The catalytic converter can change this into SO3 (sulfur trioxide), which then reacts with the catalyst to form sulfates on the catalyst. Over several minutes there is a build up of sulfates. If the engine suddenly starts to run rich (not enough air to burn all the fuel), such as when you stop at a red light, climb a steep hill, or brake hard to slow down, the chemistry changes. Now the sulfates are unstable and they react to form hydrogen sulfide, which is expelled from the exhaust pipe all at once. The high concentration is the reason for the bad smell! This effect is a common problem with new vehicles because the catalyst is working at a very high efficiency. However, as the catalyst gets older, the activity drops. Fortunately for us, one of the first reactions to be affected is the formation of hydrogen sulfide. So as the catalyst gets older, the smell will go away. It should also be noted that many catalysts never smell bad. One reason might be because the vehicle doesn't run lean for much of the time, or perhaps the catalyst has an extra component that reduces the production of hydrogen sulfide.

So there you go Adam. Completely normal.
 
Well said.. lol. Ok yes its normal under those circumstances.. i would think that when toyotas started doing it mire and customers would come in and complain. That they do whatever it takes.. that extra component or run them a tad richer to get rid of the smell since they have a couple vehicles in their lineup that are capable of rolling down the rear windows.. other companies have gone the extra mile to avoid such stink lol..

Im happy to hear that you think it'll go away down the road.. i almost cant wait..


Charlotte huh.. I'm thinking about transferring with my job down there.. i guess a highway trip out there is easier on the gas pedal than driving in the dc metro area with slow drivers and fast ones zooming by..

On that note.. i still love my truck... but i hate that smell.. the weathers nice today so i'll roll the back window down and keep track how often it stinks up..
 
OK, completely normal, but it still sucks and is one nasty odor. There must be a combo of windows to open that wont cause it. 1E had sunroof open with rear down. Maybe that breaks that suction effect. Guess there's a learning curve included in every new 4runner regarding window opening placement.
 
On that note.. i still love my truck... but i hate that smell.. the weathers nice today so i'll roll the back window down and keep track how often it stinks up..

Because of the aerodynamic turbulence behind the truck the smell is "sucked" into the vehicle. On the Tundra mentioned earlier, this would not be the case because the vortex is created over the bed and thus too far from the window. The size of the window of course also plays a role.

A relatively simple fix that has been apparently successfully employed by other members here is to redirect the exhaust to come out on the passenger side of the truck instead of the rear. This way the exhaust fumes (carrying the "egg smell") are not trapped within the rear vortex and thus minimize or eliminate the smell inside the vehicle; regardless of the age of the catalyst converter.

There are several Mythbuster episodes that deal with aero-vortex on vehicles that you might enjoy, including a porsche cabrio in the rain and tailgate up or down for fuel efficiency.

Okki
 
1E had sunroof open with rear down. Maybe that breaks that suction effect.

The wind will largely "bump" over the sunroof due to it being reflected off the windshield, so there is likely very little impact from the sunroof being open. If this wasn't the case, you would never drive with the sunroof open because everything would blow all over the car due to wind being forced into the truck.

Okki
 
A relatively simple fix that has been apparently successfully employed by other members here is to redirect the exhaust to come out on the passenger side of the truck instead of the rear. This way the exhaust fumes (carrying the "egg smell") are not trapped within the rear vortex and thus minimize or eliminate the smell inside the vehicle; regardless of the age of the catalyst converter.

Okki

Yea i know about doing this.. the tip will have to sit lower though due to part of the bumper in the way.. but i'm probably gonna go this route anyways
 
TSB on Sulfur Odor

Sulfur is a natural component of crude oil which is refined to make gasoline. The amount of sulfur is regulated California. Some states or areas, or even brands of gasoline will have more sulfur. Changing where you buy your gas may make a difference. Engine oil also contains sulfur; so much that newer diesel engine requires the change from CI-4 oil to CJ-4 oil for their systems to work.
Sulfur is introduced into your engine through these two means. Like BigredTex explained, during combustion and the reactions in the catalytic converters, hydrogen sulfide is produced.
There is a TSB-0346-09 for 2006 to 2009 4Runners. It says to replace the converters if the customer is complaining. The old numbers are still used in production, but it says to replace if the customer is complaining of the smell. New numbers 17410-31600 & 17450-31060.
 
Once I put an oil free AEM air filter in the smell got worse. Went back to OEM and I get it but nowhere near as much
 
Yea we know where the sulfur is coming from.. other car makers (most) have produced and tuned cars in a way to reduce or eliminate the sulfur smell.. toyota.. well.. just hasn't. It'd be nice if toyota recognized it and made a fix.. at least for the 4runner or any other that has a rear window that goes down
 
So if this is coming out of the tailpipe then even if wefix the odor by some method don't we still have exhaust fumes in the truck? Seems relocating the exhaust pipe is the best solution. Toyota should be made to fix this. It is their error.
 
So if this is coming out of the tailpipe then even if wefix the odor by some method don't we still have exhaust fumes in the truck? Seems relocating the exhaust pipe is the best solution. Toyota should be made to fix this. It is their error.

In Toyota's eyes there is nothing to fix. You are going AGAINST their recommendation when you drive with the rear glass down. In your owner's manual it specifically state (as it has since they used rear power windows) to NOT drive with the window down for the very reason of fumes entering the cabin.

Not trying to be a downer, but the reality is while EVERYONE drives with their rear window down (myself included) its not Toyota's fault that you are experiencing negative effects for doing something they specifically state not to do as proper operation of the vehicle. It sucks, but they aren't really doing anything wrong persay, so no reason to change it.

By the way there was a TSB for excessive Sulfur smell in the 4th Gens let me check if there's one for the 5th gens also, but it is a normal byproduct of the catalytic system.
 
Guess I missed that one in the manual. But, wow, how lame is that? Why even make it so it goes down then?
sweet. I had an older landcruiser way back that had the exhaust to the side. No fumes. Guess that's the way to go.
 
I just don't see an issue to fix, most cars don't have a roll-down rear window so people can't say as to whether or not all cars make that smell or not without sticking their face in an exhaust pipe at WOT. Based on historical reliability reports, I also trust Toyota's judgment on stuff so sulfur it is!

Our cars are burning refined fossil fuels at a high rate and the byproduct comes out of the tailpipe, nobody on earth has the expectation of it smelling like freshly baked bread.

Here is one of endless threads on the topic, a guy in the thread filed a claim on the grounds of Lemon Law and won which I am surprised by.

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/86-sequoia-forum/16704-sequoia-engine-odor.html
 
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I think Toyota has chosen catalytic longevity over a few drivers complaining about smell. Like I said change gasoline brands and see if it improves. Toyota converters are designed to last a long time. I removed the ones on my wrecked 03, and after 175,000 they remain perfect. I have had to replace other brands around 120,000 or less because the material breaks apart. It is because Toyota uses different catalyst materials and in higher amounts that they are worth more money when thieves cut them off too. Also if you look at the earlier models TSB, they have a fix. They chose to use the one’s that might, to a few people, under WOT, during short periods, produce a smell if the rear window is down.
 
I just don't see an issue to fix, I also trust Toyota's judgment on stuff so sulfur it is!
Our cars are burning refined fossil fuels at a high rate and the byproduct comes out of the tailpipe, nobody on earth has the expectation of it smelling like freshly baked bread.

It's not the sulfur smell its the fact it's exhaust fumes inside the passenger compartment.
But, it is what it is, so I'll just make sure I have lots of ventilation going on besides the rear window if I choose to ride with it open.
 
I think Toyota has chosen catalytic longevity over a few drivers complaining about smell. Like I said change gasoline brands and see if it improves. Toyota converters are designed to last a long time. I removed the ones on my wrecked 03, and after 175,000 they remain perfect. I have had to replace other brands around 120,000 or less because the material breaks apart. It is because Toyota uses different catalyst materials and in higher amounts that they are worth more money when thieves cut them off too. Also if you look at the earlier models TSB, they have a fix. They chose to use the one’s that might, to a few people, under WOT, during short periods, produce a smell if the rear window is down.

Yea.. for the majority.. great idea.. i'd rather replace a cat at 100k though...

I'm pretty sure it'll throw a CEL but otherwise i'd remove my cats.. anyone know a way around the CEL without pulling the bulbs or taping over it ;)
 
I experienced this yesterday after work on my 2013. I never drive with only the rear window down, it's always in conjunction with the front window(s) as well so I don't worry about the fumes. The smell wasn't super strong either.

In my experience unless you have a sports car, removing the cats are more effort than gain. A little backpressure is a good thing for torque down low in the rpm band...
 
To each his own.. i have a friend that runs an exhaust shop.. and if it didn't throw a CEL i'd have done it yesterday to get rid of the stink
 

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