Inv4drZm
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Fixed it for ya :thumb:
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Fixed it for ya :thumb:
srsrogerissrs
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You live and you learn! I've already had to rip out my carpet once...... so consider yourself lucky!
T4 Leaf
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Hahahah....I'm surprised those puddles don't just drain themselves when they see that scoop rollin in....
all joking aside...I want one too
TEujunga
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Follow-up: 2 more days of pretty hard wheeling since then, including a bit of early snow action. Everything seems fine, and no more misfortunes -- I haven't gotten stuck, nothing has broken, and the shiny side is still up.
Thanks for the suggestion of a stick, which I plan to use at all mud holes from now on.
Thanks for the suggestion of a stick, which I plan to use at all mud holes from now on.
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TRUSTYAXE
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Op thanks for posting this, it's a great reminder for those of us that do wheel alone and may become complacent. The feeler stick sounds like a good thing to carry.
I'm just wondering what someone without a winch would do in this situation, when the guardian angel side by sides don't appear? I've seen recovery methods using a high lift, but it looked a little hairy.
I'm thinking some maxtrax and a come along like this one..
https://www.wyeth-scott.com/index.asp
Unless anyone else has some ideas on how to get out of this scenario, on your own.
I'm just wondering what someone without a winch would do in this situation, when the guardian angel side by sides don't appear? I've seen recovery methods using a high lift, but it looked a little hairy.
I'm thinking some maxtrax and a come along like this one..
https://www.wyeth-scott.com/index.asp
Unless anyone else has some ideas on how to get out of this scenario, on your own.
Not directed at you, just anyone in general. But self recovery can require a good imagination, more so than with another vehicle. Along with getting recovery equipment, if you're don't have a good imagination when it comes to recovering, I would at the least take some off road classes. If you're out alone, you need to take it slow and check every hole out, I've seen a bunch of innocent looking mud holes that were deep. Even easy trails can sometimes have challenging parts, so make sure you're paying attention at all times. If you find yourself out alone a lot of the time, I would think about the cost of a good winch, would make recovery a lot easier. Just something to think about.
badhabits
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A winch is always a good idea, but the expense of buying and mounting can be expensive. I bought one of these and the neat thing about it is that if you are mall crawling you don't have to carry the extra weight. Its not as fancy as a mounted winch, but you are not stuck with having all your pulling capability only at the front.
Double line pulling capacity is 6,000 pounds dead lift and 12,000 drag/pull. Single rope capacity is 3,000 lbs dead lift and 6,000 drag/pull.
http://www.baileysonline.com/Tools-...tchet-Puller-with-35-of-5-16-Amsteel-Blue.axd
Double line pulling capacity is 6,000 pounds dead lift and 12,000 drag/pull. Single rope capacity is 3,000 lbs dead lift and 6,000 drag/pull.
http://www.baileysonline.com/Tools-...tchet-Puller-with-35-of-5-16-Amsteel-Blue.axd
I'm not saying these cable pullers aren't useful, but I think you have to take the pulling power numbers with a grain of salt, as with the Hi-Lift. The HiLift claims 7000 lbs of pulling force, but it has a mechanical advantage of about 32:1. That means to pull 7000 lbs, you'll need to apply 218 lbs of force to the end of the handle. Can you do that while standing on a slippery muddy slope? I doubt it; I know I couldn't.
The cable puller is similar. With a 3 foot handle and a 2-inch inner cable wrap diameter (best case), the mechanical advantage is 36:1, requiring 166 lbs of pull to achieve the advertised 6000 lb single-line drag/pull number. Again, not likely in any but ideal circumstances, and who gets stuck in "ideal" conditions. As with any winch, it only gets worse as you wrap more line on the spool.
Obviously the OP's original situation didn't take 6000 lbs of pull (it's highly unlikely that two side by sides could generate that much force), so in many cases a hand puller could get the job done, but it's still going to be a lot of work.
The cable puller is similar. With a 3 foot handle and a 2-inch inner cable wrap diameter (best case), the mechanical advantage is 36:1, requiring 166 lbs of pull to achieve the advertised 6000 lb single-line drag/pull number. Again, not likely in any but ideal circumstances, and who gets stuck in "ideal" conditions. As with any winch, it only gets worse as you wrap more line on the spool.
Obviously the OP's original situation didn't take 6000 lbs of pull (it's highly unlikely that two side by sides could generate that much force), so in many cases a hand puller could get the job done, but it's still going to be a lot of work.
2flyfishin
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Most of my wheeling is solo so thanks for posting this. Good recovery gear is always important solo or not but when solo it can become that much more important as well as common sense not to get yourself into a bad situation. In the past I found a good shovel and regular jack were the best things to have along with ingenuity. I have added other recovery stuff, maxtrax, etc. but I think the best thing I have purchased this year is the garmin inreach. Being able to communicate and send out a sos via satellite if you end up not being able to get yourself out of a predicament you got yourself into is huge as well as if you end up with any medical issues in the middle of nowhere. Somebody is putting together a group buy for these in the group buy section right now. Things likes hilifts and winches if improperly used can be just as likely to hurt you as they are to help.
P.S. Cedar Breaks and the surrounding area is beautiful. I try to go up there often.
P.S. Cedar Breaks and the surrounding area is beautiful. I try to go up there often.
Probing mud or standing water with a stick is a good idea. A more analytical approach for soft mud or sand is to use a length of 2x4. If you put your full weight (say 180 lbs), endwise on a vertical 2x4, that applies about 35psi to the ground surface, which coincidentally is roughly the tire pressures a lot of us are running. So, the 2x4 does a pretty good job of simulating the force a tire will put on the surface in question. If the 2x4 sinks in, so will your tire. If it doesn't, you'll probably float over.
That doesn't take into account traction issues, etc.
That doesn't take into account traction issues, etc.
TRUSTYAXE
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The InReach looks like a pretty good option, I have to cross shop those devices as I'm already looking for a floating marine VHF.
oneshot808
Member
Thank you for sharing your experience. Glad to hear you are safe and locals helped you out.
I love my Inreach (I have the earlier Delorme SE model, before Garmin bought them out.) I bought it for emergencies, but I use it a lot just for peace of mind for my wife when my plans change. If fishing is good, or conditions change, and I want to stay out longer, a quick text and she's comfortable with my late return.
For multi-day trips like White Rim, it's easy to stay in touch even from the back side of Island in the Sky. She has become much more comfortable with my solo backcountry wandering since I got it. Worth it just for that!
SteadFAST 4Runner
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Nice pics!
Remember, NEVER off-road alone. If you do decide to take that risk then tell people where you are going and how long you expect to be or when you will return.
Remember, NEVER off-road alone. If you do decide to take that risk then tell people where you are going and how long you expect to be or when you will return.
MossJenks
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LOL - a least you got a great pic at the top!
Good advice - or at least fully understand and accept the risks. I've been wheeling alone 90% of the time for 30 years. I've always been able to self-rescue, or more often relied on pure luck of people coming along to help. But I fully understand and accept these risks. I'm a loner (and a loner's got to be alone!) and often hike alone, ski the backcountry alone, ride motorcycles in remote areas alone, travel in foreign countries alone etc. etc. I take the Boy Scout 10 essentials (https://scoutingmagazine.org/2013/02/the-10-essentials) everywhere I go plus a few things, but I know full well that someday I'll probably become mountain lion food. So much so that it's in my will. I don't think it's legally executable (pretty certain that it's not) but it's my wish that my body be dumped out of the access gate at Mary Jane for the critters to feast on me when I die. If you're not willing to accept that fate then take SteadFAST's advice or make serious serious plans to avoid it. APRS HAM, satellite beacon or both, emergency provisions and equipment, etc. etc.
Good advice - or at least fully understand and accept the risks. I've been wheeling alone 90% of the time for 30 years. I've always been able to self-rescue, or more often relied on pure luck of people coming along to help. But I fully understand and accept these risks. I'm a loner (and a loner's got to be alone!) and often hike alone, ski the backcountry alone, ride motorcycles in remote areas alone, travel in foreign countries alone etc. etc. I take the Boy Scout 10 essentials (https://scoutingmagazine.org/2013/02/the-10-essentials) everywhere I go plus a few things, but I know full well that someday I'll probably become mountain lion food. So much so that it's in my will. I don't think it's legally executable (pretty certain that it's not) but it's my wish that my body be dumped out of the access gate at Mary Jane for the critters to feast on me when I die. If you're not willing to accept that fate then take SteadFAST's advice or make serious serious plans to avoid it. APRS HAM, satellite beacon or both, emergency provisions and equipment, etc. etc.
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Blitzkrieg
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What happens on the trail, stays on the trail.
