Everything you always wanted to know about LBJ bolts

The destructive tests are done, quite a good workout if I do say so myself.

I need to do some more data reduction, but one thing I can say already is that there will be a BIG surprise for you all (I was surprised too).

Just a teaser for now of the bolt "bloodbath":

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Can't wait! Would love to see the fracture surfaces too.
 
The destructive tests are done, quite a good workout if I do say so myself.

I need to do some more data reduction, but one thing I can say already is that there will be a BIG surprise for you all (I was surprised too).

Just a teaser for now of the bolt "bloodbath":

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"Big Surprise"

Watch the green bolt be the strongest one or something whacky... Lol
 
Okay those pictures are actually pretty interesting. Definitely will be interesting to compare the results with the pictures to see if there's any correlation with the texture
 
Some more science.... Here's a typical torque/preload curve as the bolt is torqued to failure. Nice to see it follow the classic stretch/yield/fail profile:

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And here we can see the necking of the bolt in the location of the failure (last two photos confirm the visual with some measurements):

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The long awaited LBJ Bolt Torque to Failure test results are now live!

In this series of tests, we determined the torque values where the different bolts reached their yield loads, ultimate loads, and fracture loads. These can be very helpful in determining how much margin exists above the Factory Service Manual (FSM) torque value for each bolt.

The full article is in the Tech Articles section of our website at LBJ Bolts Torque to Failure Tests., where there's lots more detail, pictures, and video clips.

We used the same test setup as for the load vs. torque testing – a tapped stainless steel plate to represent the steering knuckle, a flat stainless steel plate to represent the balljoint flange, and a load cell sandwiched between the two plates to measure the load. A torque transducer was used to measure the applied torque, and a digital multimeter (DMM) was used to read the load cell output. As a bolt was tightened, the display of both the DVM and the torque transducer were recorded and superimposed in the same frame, to provide a direct load vs. torque correlation.

There's a short video clip of the last few seconds in the life of an ARP bolt at Clip of tightening an ARP bolt to failure - YouTube. You won't see the bolt break, but you can see how the torque and load cell readings were combined.

So without further delay, here are the results.


Toyota Green (90080-10066)


The load vs. torque traces for the two Green bolts torqued to failure show that Bolt A reached its ultimate load at 97 ft-lbs (11,666 lbs), and fractured at 108 ft-lbs (10,769 lbs), while Bolt B reached ultimate load at 85 ft-lbs (10,691 lbs), and fractured at 100 ft-lbs (9,442 lbs).

A couple of other elements were added to the plot to illustrate how much margin exists above the Factory Service Manual (FSM) torque value. First, a dotted green line was drawn at 59 ft-lbs to indicate the FSM value of 59 ft-lbs. Then, an attempt was made to identify the torque range at which the bolts yielded (this is considered to be the failure load, rather than ultimate load). Because the yield load is not as easy to pinpoint as the ultimate load, a pink box was drawn to bound the range of estimated yield load torques. These boxes should be viewed only as an approximation.

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Toyota Red (90105-10505)

Similar data was plotted for the two Red bolts. Bolt A reached its ultimate load at 92.6 ft-lbs (12,564 lbs), and Bolt B at 93 ft-lbs (12,173 lbs). As for the Green bolt, the FSM torque value of 59 ft-lbs was represented by the green line, and the range of Yield Load torques was approximated by the pink box.

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Toyota Black (90119-10933)

Black Bolt A reached its ultimate load at 59 ft-lbs (13,461 lbs), and Bolt B at 67.1 ft-lbs (12,095 lbs). The FSM specifies a torque of 37 ft-lbs (vs. 59 ft-lbs for all other bolts).

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ARP (673-1004)

ARP 673-1004 Bolt A reached its ultimate load at 97.7 ft-lbs (14,788 lbs), and Bolt B at 104.5 ft-lbs (13,812 lbs).

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Belmetric 10.9 Yellow Zinc (BF10X1.25X30YLW)

The testing started with the same 30mm bolts that were used for the load vs. torque testing. However, the torque to failure tests of these bolts were unsuccessful – some bolts stripped at the threads before reaching the Yield Load.


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Only one bolt (Bolt B) could be torqued to failure – it reached an ultimate load of 9,715 lbs at 76 ft-lbs, and broke at 86 ft lbs.


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These bolts likely stripped because at 30mm long, they are about 2mm shorter than the Toyota OEM bolts (32mm long), leading to almost two less threads of engagement. This would not be an issue in an actual LBJ installation, but because we had a load cell sandwiched in the load path, there was not enough thread engagement to handle the higher applied loads.

So we procured some longer 35 mm Zinc bolts (BF10X1.25X35YLW) to continue the testing.

Belmetric 10.9 Yellow Zinc (BF10X1.25X35YLW)

The Zinc 35mm Bolt A reached its ultimate load at 170 ft-lbs (12,681 lbs), Bolt B at 150 ft-lbs (10,925 lbs), and Bolt C at 150 ft-lbs (10,535 lbs). The torque transducer that was used for these tests has a maximum limit of 150 ft-lbs, so above those values, we had to rely on clicking of the torque wrench. Therefore, results above 150 ft-lbs may be less accurate.

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Because a significant difference in performance was noted between the 30mm and 35mm bolts, the two sets of results were combined into one plot for a closer examination.

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It is evident from this plot that the preload generated at the FSM value of 59 ft-lbs was much lower for the 35mm bolts (4,500 lbs) than for the 30mm bolts (8,500 lbs). That’s only about half the preload at the same torque value!

To put this into practical terms, if we torqued a 30mm bolt to 59 ft-lbs, we could expect around 8,500 of load; but if we installed a 35mm bolt and tightened it to the same torque, we could end up with only half the load (4,500 lbs) – and we would not know this, because there would be no load cell in the setup. Also, it is notable that for some bolts, the installation torque of 59 ft-lbs is dangerously close to the yield torque of 70 ft-lbs.

There was significantly more scatter from bolt to bolt within the same batch of 35mm bolts – some bolts reached almost 6,000 lbs at 59 ft-lbs, others only 2,500 lbs. The scatter in 30mm bolts was smaller.

Finally, the 30mm bolts reached their Utimate Load at around 75 ft-lbs of torque; the 35mm needed over twice the torque (150 to 170 ft-lbs) to reach the same Ultimate load.

This tells us that the friction properties of the coating were vastly different between the 30mm and 35mm bolts. This is surprising and disconcerting, because the 35mm bolts came from the same supplier, and from the same family as the original 30 mm bolts, just 5 mm longer:


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The 35mm bolts we received appeared to have different head markings than the 30mm bolts, despite being from the same family. While both heads are stamped with 10.9, the different head shape (flat vs. inset) and the different letters indicate that they likely came from different factories and different manufacturers.

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Regardless of the reason, the performance of the 30mm and 35mm bolts was different enough to raise concerns. The testing clearly shows that when ordering these generic Class 10.9 zinc bolts, one would have no idea how much preload can be expected when installed to the FSM torque values – it could be as high as 10,000 lbs, or as low as 2,500 lbs. This uncertainty, and the risk of very low preload, would be highly problematic in critical installations such as LBJ.

In summary, there is one clear loser in this testing, and that is the Zinc bolt. The variability from batch to batch and bolt to bolt leaves us with no idea of how much load is being introduced during torquing, and how close that load is to failure. In retrospect, this perhaps should have been expected. All the other bolts are branded (either Toyota or ARP), with specific part numbers. One would expect that for those bolts, the manufacturer has taken care to control the surface finishes and friction coefficents to serve repeatably in the expected application. In contrast, the Zinc bolts are not branded – they are supplied by a reputable supplier, but there is no control on the coatings and friction, other than to specify “Yellow Zinc” and a strength. Our test results show the danger of using these bolts without testing each batch.

Based on these tests, our recommendation would be to stay away from any unbranded bolt for the LBJ application, no matter what strength class they are.

When it comes to picking the winner, these torque to failure results are not sufficient on their own to declare one. All of the bolts (other than Zinc) reached good preload levels at FSM torque values, and had reasonable margin to failure torque. Their yield strengths were also comparable (though ARP was clearly stronger).

There are many possible criteria for being a “winner” – highest strength, highest preload at FSM value, lowest scatter, highest margin between FSM torque and failure torque, lowest preload loss with ruse, etc. So rather than declaring a single winner, we will look at all the data collected to date, and will try to draw some conclusions about these bolts in our final article.
 
I promise no more math in this post - just the winners and losers! :D

Taking the data collected in the previous tests, I ranked the bolts to find the winners and the losers. I first defined what I consider to be the important criteria for LBJ bolts, then assigned different weighting factors to each criteria. For example, criteria that improved confidence in knowing the actual preload generated at FSM torque was weighted more heavily than secondary criteria such as preload degradation with reuse. I then scored the bolts against these criteria using their measured performance, and added up the scores to get the total combined score for each bolt.

Using this admittedly subjective criteria, the combined scores for all bolts are in the figure below. The winners are the Black Bolt (90119-10933) and the ARP Bolt (673-1004). The Red and Green bolts were also good, but not as good the Black and ARP bolts. The 10.9 Zinc bolt was far back in last place. (Additional details on the scoring is at the end of the post).

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Based on these results, my top recommendation for LBJ bolts would be the Toyota Black Bolt w/Washer (90119-10933) or the ARP Bolt (673-1004). The Black bolt excels in its incredibly low friction coefficient, which leads to a silk-smooth installation, and allows the bolt to reach 10,000 lb of preload at only 37 ft-lbs, significantly higher than many other bolts could achieve at 59 ft-lbs. It also provides the highest confidence in the preload generated at the applied torque, and does not see much degradation with reuse. The ARP bolt is the strongest of the group, giving it very high margin between installed torque and yield torque. It also does not degrade much with reuse.

The Red and Green bolts are certainly adequate for LBJ use, although they don’t have as much margin between installed torque and yield torque as some others. They also have the highest degradation with reuse, so I would not recommend reusing these bolts more than once. By the third or fourth installation, you would likely be seeing only half the preload at the FSM torque as you would during the first installation.

The 10.9 Zinc bolt fared far worse than all others, primarily due to its very high friction variability from unit to unit and batch to batch. Without testing each batch like I did, you would have no idea how much preload is being generated at the FSM torque. For this reason, I would recommend avoiding any generic bolts for the LBJs.

There is one caveat about the Black bolt that must be mentioned. This bolt was designed to be torqued to 37 ft-lbs, due to its very low friction coefficient. The downside of this is that if these bolts are torqued to the more commonly quoted FSM torque of 59 ft-lbs, they will likely yield. I’ve seen many forum posts where folks have torqued the Black bolts to 59 ft-lbs and had them break, then concluded (wrongly) that the Black bolts must be weaker than others. So the caveat is that if these Black bolts are installed in trucks that originally came with Red or Green bolts, anyone working on these trucks in the future must be told to torque the bolts to the lower torque values. This is particularly important if you let a mechanic work on your truck, who may not be aware that you installed non-factory bolts with lower torque requirements.

A Remaining Concern for LBJ Bolt Failures.

An important element that these tests did not address is the possibility of LBJ bolts losing preload and backing out, especially during offroad use. I believe that this is the most common failure cause for LBJ bolts, because properly preloaded bolts will rarely fail or shear off (the friction generated by four preloaded LBJ bolts is quite high, and there are two large shear cones on the LBJ flange that engage the steering knuckle to resist the shear loads).

However, if the bolts lose preload, they are more likely to loosen and eventually fall out. I’ve seen a number of posts with folks finding one or more missing bolts in the LBJs, suggesting that torque alone may not adequate to keep these bolts safely in place during offroad use. Even if the bolts don’t fall out, loss of preload will subject the joint to gapping and slipping, and the bolts will become more likely to fail from bending loads.

A common practice to address this risk is to use Loctite or a similar threadlocking compound. While these are effective if used properly, there are two concerns – first, there is no way to know if the Loctite was applied properly and has formed an effective bond. In addition, it is not possible to look at an installed bolt and know if Loctite was applied to it during installation. The biggest issue with Loctite is that it affects the preload that is generated during installation. While it does not change the preload very much during the first installation, my testing found that on reuse, even if the bolt threads were carefully cleaned with a wire wheel, the preload ended up being much lower than on initial installation. The most likely explanation for this is that cured Loctite remained in the female threads of the knuckle, increasing the friction coefficient. So unless the threads are chased with a tap after each use, there is likely to be much less preload in the joint than intended or desired.

Even the “best” bolts will be of no value if they loosen in use. So I believe that properly “locking” the LBJ bolts to keep them from loosening is as critical as selecting the “best” bolts, if not more so. I'm currently looking at some options for the highest strength bolts with bulletproof locking features - I'll certainly update you if and when that comes to fruition. I've spent 37 in the aerospace industry working with fasteners and locking devices, that should be good for something, right :D?

Additional detail on scoring criteria:

1. Preload Uncertainty – This criteria ranks the uncertainty in preload generated by a bolt when it is torqued to FSM torque (or any other value). The narrower the range, the less uncertainty in the preload, and the higher the score.

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2. Bolt Strength – It stands to reason that all else being equal, the stronger the bolt, the better. Stronger bolts can be preloaded to higher clamping loads, providing higher margins against slipping and gapping.

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3. Preload at FSM Torque – Some bolts reached much higher preloads than others at FSM torque values. Higher preload is better, as it reduces the chance of gapping or slipping.

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4. Margin between FSM torque and Yield Torque – This criteria evaluates how much safety margin exists between the FSM torque and the torque at which the bolts fail (yield). The higher the margin, the more room for error exists.

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5. Preload Retention with Reuse – Some bolts saw a significant reduction in preload between first use and subsequent installations; others did not. Since the LBJ bolts are commonly removed to separate the knuckle from the lower control arm, the ability to reuse the bolts with high confidence would favor those bolts that perform consistently during repeated installations.

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6. Friction Coefficient – This criteria has little practical value other than “feel”. The bolts with low friction coefficient felt very smooth during installation, and reached the FSM torque values easily. The ones with higher friction, notably the Zinc bolts, were jerky and had significant stick-slip during installation, making the torquing process more difficult.

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Phew! What a conclusion!

While swapping to stiffer front springs this weekend (winch installed... to much weight up front!), I took the opportunity to swap out from the "Green" OEM bolts to ARPs - before the final results came out. I'm glad I did.

One side had been over-torqued on the original installation (then loosened and retorqued to the correct amount - used the main stud torque value originally!) that might have compromised them. They were visually fine when removed and all tight, so I got at least a little lucky.

Any thoughts on compatibility of different fasteners (with the different pre-applied lubes) use in succession with each other? The ARP's torqued up smoothly, but were just a touch too difficult to run in by finger easily and it felt like there was some dried thread compound in there. I didn't chase the threads...

-Charlie

PS. Those lower ball joint bolts are nearly the only fasteners on the truck I use a torque wrench on (even before this thread...) and it'll probably stay that way until I open the engine or transmission.
 
Maybe it's too early for my brain to fully understand, but from the black bolt section:

"Black Bolt A reached its ultimate load at 59 ft-lbs (13,461 lbs), and Bolt B at 67.1 ft-lbs (12,095 lbs). The FSM specifies a torque of 37 ft-lbs (vs. 59 ft-lbs for all other bolts)."

I see a very wide gap between bolt A and bolt B on the chart. Is this the same as preload? Reason I ask is that bolt B is under 8000 which I thought we had kind of figured was the "low end".

Or is this not preload? Or am I reading too much into it?
 
Maybe it's too early for my brain to fully understand, but from the black bolt section:

"Black Bolt A reached its ultimate load at 59 ft-lbs (13,461 lbs), and Bolt B at 67.1 ft-lbs (12,095 lbs). The FSM specifies a torque of 37 ft-lbs (vs. 59 ft-lbs for all other bolts)."

I see a very wide gap between bolt A and bolt B on the chart. Is this the same as preload? Reason I ask is that bolt B is under 8000 which I thought we had kind of figured was the "low end".

Or is this not preload? Or am I reading too much into it?

You're reading it correctly! Of the two Black bolts torqued to failure, Bolt A had 9,442 lbs at 37 ft-lbs, Bolt B only had 7,452 lbs.

Bolt B was an outlier from the rest of the family. I tested about half a dozen of each bolt type to get the "family" preload vs torque data, and then threw out the high and low values to get the "typical" relationship.

Here is another version of the Black torque to failure chart, but with the added element (in gray) of the "family" data of the other Black bolts. You can see that Bolt A is right in line with that family data, while Bolt B is definitely less slippery:

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You're reading it correctly! Of the two Black bolts torqued to failure, Bolt A had 9,442 lbs at 37 ft-lbs, Bolt B only had 7,452 lbs.

Bolt B was an outlier from the rest of the family. I tested about half a dozen of each bolt type to get the "family" preload vs torque data, and then threw out the high and low values to get the "typical" relationship.

Here is another version of the Black torque to failure chart, but with the added element (in gray) of the "family" data of the other Black bolts. You can see that Bolt A is right in line with that family data, while Bolt B is definitely less slippery:

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That's odd, do you think it was just a fluke? Knowing my usual horrible luck I would somehow end up with eight of them that only got up to 7,500 lbs. Haha
 
That's odd, do you think it was just a fluke? Knowing my usual horrible luck I would somehow end up with eight of them that only got up to 7,500 lbs. Haha
That's not the end of the world, and likely still within safety tolerances. That's 30k of preload on the mating surface that normally supports <1500 lbs static (5k lb truck with 60% weight on front - more likely 1300-1400 lbs for a 4.9k truck and 55% on the front). It would take 20x the static force (30k/1.5k) to separate the joint and start to cause problems. The designed preload looks like it is ~38k lbs.

Correct me if I'm missing something, Leon...

-Charlie
 
That's not the end of the world, and likely still within safety tolerances. That's 30k of preload on the mating surface that normally supports <1500 lbs static (5k lb truck with 60% weight on front - more likely 1300-1400 lbs for a 4.9k truck and 55% on the front). It would take 20x the static force (30k/1.5k) to separate the joint and start to cause problems. The designed preload looks like it is ~38k lbs.

Correct me if I'm missing something, Leon...

-Charlie

That's exactly right Charlie :thumb:.

Rule of thumb is that without testing, preload uncertainty at a given torque is about +/-50%. If you run a test program to characterize the specific fasteners (like I did here), you can reduce that uncertainty to about 20-30%. So some Black bolts having 7,500 lbs and others 9,500 is still well within that error range. Also recall that even the 7,500 lb Black "outlier" had the same preload as the majority of the Green and Red bolts.

If you want less scatter/uncertainty, you can test each batch of bolts with a load cell (like I did), but you'd have to know that the bolts came from the same production batch, which I think you will never be able to ascertain.

Another "tool" to reduce uncertainty is to add a lube - that should reduce the friction coefficient value as well as uncertainty.

If I ever get around to putting together a kit of high strength bolts with fail-safe locking features, I'd likely add a lube to the kit, and do some testing to characterize the friction to recommend the appropriate installation torque.
 
Any thoughts on compatibility of different fasteners (with the different pre-applied lubes) use in succession with each other? The ARP's torqued up smoothly, but were just a touch too difficult to run in by finger easily and it felt like there was some dried thread compound in there. I didn't chase the threads...

I don't think that the coatings on the bolts would transfer onto the female threads to the extent that it would affect the friction for the next installation. Meaning that if you installed a Black bolt (super slippery), but then later installed a Green bolt, I don't think the black bolt's "slipperiness" would transfer onto the Green bolt. At least I didn't see any such trends in my testing, and I intentionally reused the same tapped hole for all the friction tests (to eliminate that variability).

An exception would be if you ever lubed the threads - that will likely carry over to the next installation.

And I'm so glad you mentioned thread compound - that is exactly what I noticed in my tests, that after installing a bolt with Loctite, the next installation had much lower preload than the first time. I'm guessing that chasing the threads will help, but it may be deceptive - you may clean off enough residue to not feel any interference, but the friction coefficient will still be high and you'll end up with less preload than you were shooting for. Did I say I hate Loctite?
 
And I'm so glad you mentioned thread compound - that is exactly what I noticed in my tests, that after installing a bolt with Loctite, the next installation had much lower preload than the first time. I'm guessing that chasing the threads will help, but it may be deceptive - you may clean off enough residue to not feel any interference, but the friction coefficient will still be high and you'll end up with less preload than you were shooting for. Did I say I hate Loctite?

When you say lower preload, do you mean that installing a bolt into female threads that previously had loctite would cause the bolt to hit the torque spec prematurely?
 
When you say lower preload, do you mean that installing a bolt into female threads that previously had loctite would cause the bolt to hit the torque spec prematurely?

Sort of - you would torque the bolt to the desired value, but you will get less preload at that torque than you would if you didn't previously have Loctite.

So let's say you are shooting for 9,000 lbs, and you know that the Black bolt will give you that value at 37 ft-lbs. But if you previously used Loctite, and torque the Black bolt to the same 37 ft-lbs, you may end up with only 5,000 lbs of preload.

Don't quote me on these numbers, I didn't do much testing with Loctite (precisely for the reason discussed here - it gummed up my threads and I had to drill and tap a new set of holes - I don't enjoy drilling and tapping 3/8" thick hardened stainless, although it was a good excuse to get some M42 Cobalt bits :)).
 
So some remaining loctite will increase the thread friction. Same install torque, less preload output. Essentially frictional losses.

Whenever I remove an LBJ bolt I run a thread chaser through the hole and hit with brake cleaner.
 
So some remaining loctite will increase the thread friction. Same install torque, less preload output. Essentially frictional losses.

Whenever I remove an LBJ bolt I run a thread chaser through the hole and hit with brake cleaner.

Yup, exactly. And that's a good approach to chasing/cleaning :thumb:
 

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