"floating brake pads"?

[TechWrench]

Bam! Its like hitting the nail right on the head!They changed the SHIM kit,ANTI SQUEA*FITTING KIT,DISC B whatever.Its gone!We paid $26.47 after $5.00 discount and that includes taxes.You and TechWrench had same point!But youres was detailed about the SHIM this morning and I gave them a print out of that page you replied.Problem is toyota wouldnt admit it maybe that they figured the problem because of all those replies i printed out from you and techwrench.we dropped the runner at 8 am they called me 4:25 pm.but i didnt mention that to them tho cause i didnt wanna offend them but atleast i guess they shouldve gave credit to the people who replied to josephs thread.
But anyways , a real big thanks to you guys especially to greasefingers and techwrench!i guess the pepboys tech threw away the shims thinking they wouldnt need it.so future brake changers tell them not to throw shims!Thanks again!hope to treat you guys some ice cold beer but youre not here. :beer: :beer: :cheers:

Good to hear you got it solved. It's hard to believe that some so called professional shops will toss out a part like that simply because they don't understand what their purpose is or how to install it properly. But it happens more often than you might think. I often see aftermarket brake pad kits that don't include the shims. In most cases the original shims are too worn to work properly, and should also be replaced, but if not included with the pads they are either reused or tossed out.

 

[JosephD05]

Problem was NOT resolved and I have officially opened a Lemon Law case. At least in new Jersey, it does NOT have to be an issue pertaining to the vehicles/passenger safety. Even if they fix the issue in the 4th attempt, i still qualify. One of three things can happen:

1: I get every penny back, including down payment, interest, etc and the vehicle is returned.

2. I get a brand new vehicle, but it simply replaces the old vehicle so the lease would not start over

4. I get some sort of compensation

5. I lose completely.

Regardless, I do not pay the attorney one dime.

I don't see a downside to this. It's time people stick it back to the dealers. I'm tired of service departments giving me the run around.

 

[JosephD05]

BTW, I hope this does not affect my lemon law case. If it's true that this is NOT normal..which according to many of you it's not..than I should be fine. Check out what the first dealer I took this to had to say aft
er they practially gave up:

 

[TechWrench]

Problem was NOT resolved and I have officially opened a Lemon Law case. At least in new Jersey, it does NOT have to be an issue pertaining to the vehicles/passenger safety. Even if they fix the issue in the 4th attempt, i still qualify. One of three things can happen:

1: I get every penny back, including down payment, interest, etc and the vehicle is returned.

2. I get a brand new vehicle, but it simply replaces the old vehicle so the lease would not start over

4. I get some sort of compensation

5. I lose completely.

Regardless, I do not pay the attorney one dime.

I don't see a downside to this. It's time people stick it back to the dealers. I'm tired of service departments giving me the run around.

Damm, sorry to here that the problem came right back. After hearing that the other shop left out the shims, I was sure that was the problem. With everything being new, maybe it is just a case of too much clearance designed in to allow the pads to free float and not wear when not actually applied. In any case, I wish you luck in your 'lemon law' pursuit.

 

[JosephD05]

Well, the lawyer said if they began to attempt to fix the problem, that in itself is them admitting it IS a problem and not a known defect.

 

[djcamryse]

ye joseph, good luck to your lemon law.we know that it'll be stressfull and will waste some of your time like we did just bringing the suv back how many times to toyota and pepboys.but i really wish you get a new 4runner incase you havent mod yours yet.

and to techwrench,i think that mech of pepboys made an honest mistake of throwing the factory shim.his name was joel and he seem cool and hard working person.when its my camrys turn to change brakes, id still bring it to pepboys cause its the same.if only the pepboy mech didnt throw those 4 runner shims maybe, we couldve saved like $117! pepboys was just $124. toyotas was $220 + $24 for the shim replacement on 1 disc. we couldv used that $117 for a mod skid plate maybe like the other guys here put under their 4 runners.

 

[JosephD05]

ye joseph, good luck to your lemon law.we know that it'll be stressfull and will waste some of your time like we did just bringing the suv back how many times to toyota and pepboys.but i really wich you get a new 4runner incase you havent mod yours yet.

and to techwrench,i think that mech of pepboys made an honest mistake of throwing the factory shim.his name was joel and he seem cool and hard working person.when its my camrys turn to change brakes, id still bring it to pepboys cause its the same.if only the pepboy mech didnt throw those 4 runner shims maybe, we couldve saved like $117! pepboys was just $124. toyotas was $220 + $24 for the shim replacement on 1 disc. we couldv used that $117 for a mod skid plate maybe like the other guys here put under their 4 runners.

Thanks a bunch. Hopefully the lawyer will do all the work and it will be a breeze. I wonder if they give me a new truck..can I choose a different color? :biggrin2:

 

[djcamryse]

ye joseph i think its time for you to change color lol.but on the breeze thing im not sure.you deserve it after how many times you wasted your time going back and forth.:rocker:

 

[TechWrench]

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and to techwrench,i think that mech of pepboys made an honest mistake of throwing the factory shim.his name was joel and he seem cool and hard working person.when its my camrys turn to change brakes, id still bring it to pepboys cause its the same.if only the pepboy mech didnt throw those 4 runner shims maybe, we couldve saved like $117! pepboys was just $124. toyotas was $220 + $24 for the shim replacement on 1 disc. we couldv used that $117 for a mod skid plate maybe like the other guys here put under their 4 runners. [/B]

Joel may be a good guy, and if you can acccept that it was an honest mistake, thats fine. But, to me, it indicates a lack of experience or knowledge on his part about how automotive brake systems are supposed to work. If Toyota designed and built the brake system to use those parts, why would one think that they aren't necessary when installing new pads? I'm not a big fan of 'factory' service personnel, because I have seen my share of mistakes made at dealerships over the years. But, I also know from past experience, that many chain shops like Pepboys tend to hire the less experienced people because of the wages they offer in comparison to dealerships. He may very well evolve into a good technician, only time will tell. But it's sad that you had to be one of his 'learning' mistakes.

Again, I wish you well in your attempt to get Toyota to make it right.

 

[jj8111]

Does anyone have the part number(s) for the shim kits front and rear?

 

[greasefingers]

The front shim kit comes with eight shims, four anti-rattle springs (mine originally only had one per caliper now it has two), and 4 pins (rods) that hold the pads on. I got it from Partznet. I had to call them for this part. There is also a TSB (BR004-06) that talks about this kit.

 

[jeober]

The front shim kit comes with eight shims, four anti-rattle springs (mine originally only had one per caliper now it has two), and 4 pins (rods) that hold the pads on. I got it from Partznet.

Grease, would the front shims, springs, and rods be in great shape to be reused for new pads/rotor; or would you advise to get a front shim kit when redoing the brakes? What was the approx cost?

 

[TechWrench]

The front shim kit comes with eight shims, four anti-rattle springs (mine originally only had one per caliper now it has two), and 4 pins (rods) that hold the pads on. I got it from Partznet. I had to call them for this part. There is also a TSB (BR004-06) that talks about this kit.

I am assuming that if you get the OEM toyota pads, they don't come with the shims? I have noted that many after market brake manufacturers offer the shims with their better pad offerings. The wearever gold pads I got from Autozone came with the shims already attached to the pads, and make installation much easier. So far, after 1,500 miles, no problems.

 

[jeober]

I have OEM front and rear pad sets in the box and nothing else is included.

I want to know if the existing shims will be perfectly usable for the next set of pads.

 

[TechWrench]

I have OEM front and rear pad sets in the box and nothing else is included.

I want to know if the existing shims will be perfectly usable for the next set of pads.

That depends on what condition the original shims are in. If they have rusted badly, been bent out of shape, or lost the locating tabs that hold them to the pads, I would replace them. I don't know what the cost of the OEM shim kit is, but IMHO, I would replace them if they were anything less than in very good condition. It isn't worth the amount you might save to have to re-do the brake job again, if the brakes start to squeal or wear unevenly because of the old shims. The same goes for the locating pins (on the front brakes) and the anti-rattle springs. I re-used the pins and springs on mine, but they were in good shape, and I made sure they fit properly when it all went back together. There is an old saying among mechanics "When in doubt, throw it out". If you are doing the job for yourself, and are willing to accept the risk you may have to take it apart again if something you reuse fails, then it is a subjective call. If you are doing the job for someone else, and don't want to do the job again, at your cost, you tend to not take any chances.

 

[jeober]

Thanks,

I think I will take a peek at the brakes to assess the condition of all of the parts. I have pads and rotors and I will order the shim kit if necessary. If the brakes won't last until next summer I'll replace now. I definitely don't want to do car maintenance in cold weather.

 

[jeober]

I took the front brakes apart. About 60% of the usable pad is left. The two pins were slightly rusty which I cleaned up.

Everything else was in good shape. I lubed the pins, pad shim between the pad and the pad/caliper contacting surfaces with brake grease and put anti-seize on the caliber bolts and wheel hub.

I would like to put two springs on each caliper like greasefingers did. I wonder if the spring is available as a separate part?

 

[greasefingers]

That

 

[blackoutt]

Bringing this one back from the dead, had rattling pads on one side (0 anti rattle clips remaining installed) and a squeal on the other side (1 anti rattle clip installed on the bottom pin was bent in touching the OD of the rotor).

I installed anti rattle clips on the upper pin only as suggested by the OEM parts diagram, but get a one time clicking sound when first applying the brakes from the pads getting quickly rotated about the upper pin. This may be caused by my aftermarket brake pads not having as tight of tolerance on the caliper pin hole.

I think the easiest solution to this issue may be to install both upper and lower anti-rattle clips. I'm going to try this with the OEM clips as I've read they are better than the parts store hardware kit kind.

Toyota 0494735050 if anyone else ever comes across this issue.