smallfry
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OP - sorry for the thread jack. Good luck on getting this issue resolved.
Freakin' Dealer! Huntington Beach Toyota
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OP - sorry for the thread jack. Good luck on getting this issue resolved.
nb rob
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Once scenario from a poorly-installed wiring mess hacking in to ignition wires would be a failure for your vehicle to start.
I've taken my 4r to more remote places than any other vehicle I've ever owned because I'm confident in it's reliability.
T-taps might work well if someone is being extremely careful and knows what they're doing.... but that rats-nest of wiring earlier on in the thread does not give me confidence that the installer used any care whatsoever.
It's not like it's going to break down in the dealership parking lot.
I agree with your inspection comments .. I also crawl under vehicle and inspect before buying new vehicle..
MTN4RNR
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How does drilling two holes into a bumper, where the plastic is dimpled and designed to be drilled, ruin it? Did you order the truck and request that they not mount a front plate? If not, deal with it. I am sure they provide provisions for front plate mounting, IE drilling holes, for every vehicle they sell.
If you were going to be upset with the aftermarket alarm you should have left it installed and taken the truck back. Ripping it out and putting it on someones desk is nothing but ***** ass drama.
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If you were going to be upset with the aftermarket alarm you should have left it installed and taken the truck back. Ripping it out and putting it on someones desk is nothing but ***** ass drama.
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Since you have a TRD OR, the bumper fix is easy since you can get a replacement valence. Texas has a front plate law too, and after waffling around and trying to figure out alternative ways to install my plate, I just ended up installing the plate mount in the way they designed it. I think it looks like it belongs there, but if I ever wanted to get rid of it and make it new again, then I just buy this: https://www.cheapestfactoryparts.com/oem-parts/toyota-valance-panel-5390135240?origin=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiN2UluCq2QIVyrbACh2pMgsAEAQYAiABEgJ_BPD_BwE
Maybe the dealer would do the same for you? As for the wiring, I don't have any advice for that, but I'd be livid too.
Maybe the dealer would do the same for you? As for the wiring, I don't have any advice for that, but I'd be livid too.
Oh man don't even get me started on the photographer thing, the "everyone is a photographer" trend...I can't take it.
I left the stance car scene for basically the same thing with all these attention seekers...Didn't think it was going to be the same here lol. Pretty sure it is a SoCal thing.
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nglayton
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The wife leases a Rav4. When we went to pick it up, it was still on the car hauler, with the white plastic, sticky covers all over it. She picked out the one she wanted (grey) and they said no problem we will prep it and get it ready for you. No need to test drive it, because the last lease was a RAV4.
Anyway....guess what they mean by prep? You got it, They drilled holes in the front bumper to advertise the dealership.
But at least it was their bumper they vandalized not mine.
The temporary plate is BS, because in Oregon at least, that temp license is a window sticker.
teotwaki
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It is not California Law that a dealer drill holes in a new vehicle which has not even been assigned a set of plates yet.
Again, here is exactly what the law actually says, quoted from California's Legislature website and posted earlier with a link:
"Existing law only requires vehicle dealers and lessor-retailers to attach a numbered report-of-sale form issued by the DMV to a vehicle at the time of sale, and to submit to the DMV an application for registration of the vehicle, and the applicable fees, within a specified period after the date of sale."
Bumbo
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Fair enough, but I was referring to needing a front plate in general. I know this because I have gotten numerous fix it tickets for not having one in CA.
I would suspect that the drilling of holes is part of the dealers PDI checklist, which is why they do it. They are covering themselves from the "well I got a ticket because there were no provisions for a plate" YOU Mr. Dealer need to pay for my ticket.
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What does the law have to do with it? It's their procedure, and every dealer is the same. If you didn't want holes in it you should have told them not to do it. Unless you took delivery with no holes, and then they drilled them when you came back for service, you don't have a leg to stand on.
The good news is, since it's CA law to have a front plate, you will be filling in those holes with screws, so don't forget to thank them for drilling them :drama:
The good news is, since it's CA law to have a front plate, you will be filling in those holes with screws, so don't forget to thank them for drilling them :drama:
teotwaki
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The vehicle was trucked in from Arizona and was described to me as a new, silver TRD Off Road Premium as detailed in a copy of the window sticker given to me by the sales guy. The sticker said nothing about an alarm. I attached it to this post.
I have a copy of my text to the sales guy that I wanted no holes drilled in the front bumper nor did I want anything else added in.
Am I seriously expected to bring my trim removal tool and start looking for rat's nests of wires, tape and ty-wraps hidden behind kick panels in a new 4Runner? The push button was hidden at the bottom of the left dash panel and it wasn't until I installed the new mats that I even saw it.
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That would definitely suck if it affects the reliability of the 4runner to start. But what I'm also worried about is the deactivation or removal of it can also cause the same problems as even if I do repair the wiring after removal it will still not be how it was from the factory and worried the dealer will not cover repairs in the future.
Veet Skeet
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The ricers have taken over the IG game. Nobody thought their S2000 or lowered Civics were cool anymore, so they had to find something new. And now we have Volk TE37s/Replica Wheels on trucks.
Veet Skeet
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OP - sorry for the thread jack. Good luck on getting this issue resolved.
They don't know how to use the map though
teotwaki
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Turn that around to say that when they do something to my vehicle without permission there is no contract that I signed indicating acceptance of the changes, damages and additions to what was a stock vehicle described in the various PDFs that they gave me
Even the pictures they provided (attached) do not show a license plate box on the front bumper so they materially altered what they had documented as what they contracted to deliver.
Going further on the legal documents angle, I have the single page 28 inch long sales contract and the section called "Itemization of Amount Financed" 1.D. - Optional Theft Deterrent Device(s) - clearly says "N/A" on all sub-lines and dollar amounts. In addition there is a signed "Additions And Removal" order that only calls out the Toyota all weather mats.
The text message was acknowledged electronically and verbally well before the vehicle arrived.
teotwaki
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Rather than make dramatic a$$umptions about California Law you can go look it up. Keep in mind no plates even exist for my new 4Runner at this time and the law makes no statements directing the dealer to do anything other than post the piece of paper in the right front corner of the windshield (already cited it twice). The law makes no statement that the front plate has to even go on the bumper.
Vehicle Code - VEH
DIVISION 3. REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES AND CERTIFICATES OF TITLE [4000 - 9808] ( Division 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
CHAPTER 1. Original and Renewal of Registration; Issuance of Certificates of Title [4000 - 5506] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
ARTICLE 9. Display of Plates, Tabs, and Stickers [5200 - 5206] ( Article 9 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
5200.
(a) When two license plates are issued by the department for use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.
California Code, Vehicle Code - VEH § 5201
(a) License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and so that the characters are upright and display from left to right, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=5200
So really, just stop polluting the thread with nonsense about California Law.
Engineer
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Do you own a Pro? :fencing:
teotwaki
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I bolded that last part as it is all that matters in the end. I want Toyota USA to know about the wiring hack job so that any future issues which occur cannot be denied warranty coverage. Toyota USA and the dealer can argue about which one will cover it but years from now the paper trail will exist to support me if something does fail.
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