Going on for 4 months and still havnt figured it out. any ideas

JoeHill

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ok so Im going to break it down so I can include every detail.
The Problem:
First the engine will not rev under load past 2200 rpm.
It idles(in park) at about 1500 rpm, when I put it in drive it goes down to 1k rpm.
when the engine is cold and I put it in park I cant get it past 1500 rpm. If i try pushing the gas past that or all the way to the ground the needle on the tack starts jumping anywhere from under 1k to as high as 2000 rpm. at the same time a kind of popping or backfiring can be heard coming from the engine compartment.
When the engine warms up I can get it up to the 2200 rpm under load but only when I find a "sweet spot" in the throttle, that is if i push on the gas lightly and to a certain point. if I have it in park and find this "sweet spot" I can get it up to 5k rpm If I push the gas passed this "sweet spot" the rpms go down and I start to lose speed. needless to say I cant drive very fast and I am getting horrible gas millage 10 mpg or less.

What have I done:
The first thing i did trying to solve this was take it to me regular mechanic.
The tested the fuel pressure, that was fine. the dropped the entire exuast to make sure the cat wasn't clogged, that didn't change anything. they timed it found that was off and adjusted it and that seemed to help for a few days. they also took the truck to a tranny place and they decided it wasnt the tranny. they really couldnt figure it out.

Then just a few weeks ago I took it to the dealer figuring they might have a better handle on it cause the only work with toyotas. they said the injectors were ohming out of spec and that the MAFM/VAFM was not working and that I needed a new exhaust rounding out there repairs at $5200. I didn't take them up on that offer. since then I replaced the MAFM with another used Toyota one i got for $45 and with the help of my parental units got a set of re manufactured injectors and I paid the $300 to have them put in. guess what? nothing has changed in how the car drives.

Today braving 15 degree temps. I ran a self diagnostic using a paper clip. seemed to work ok. turned the key to ON and the OD OFF light started to flash. it flashed 6 times then paused then 2 more times and it just kept doing that. so I go to my repair manual(chilton) and try to look up what code that could be and I coundnt see anything that matched.
It may seem odd that the OD off light was flashing but the check engine light stayed on. i used the paper clip as a jumper wire between terminals te1 and e1. What does that mean?
I also tried to get some reading of the TPS. I wasnt able to get a feeler gauge to fit between the lever and screw since the throttle body is still attached to the engine but test the OHM between the VTA-e2 termonats both WOT and closed throttle I got normal reading and the same went with Vcc-e2.

tomorrow ill try this: "One final test, not listed in the FSM, would be to run the TPS shaft from idle to WOT and watch the VTA-E2 resistance and make sure it increases monotonically, no drop outs or dead spots. If you observe abrupt resistance changes, the TPS could have a burned area on one of the current tracks"

any other ideas?
you can email me also at [email protected] and if your a Twin cities resident and well equipped for this kinda stuff and willing to give me a hand let me know. so far I have been working with my dad back in AZ over the phone. he is a mechanical engineer but its limited what he can help with since he cant get his hands on the truck.
 
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one thing that you could check is the air flow meter if it was bad it would throw off the air/fuel mixture
 
Joehill

I read through your post and couldn't believe there is someone that is having similar symptoms as me. Definitly pull your throttle body and check the tps per the factory manuel, the tps can give all the problems you are stating. As for the diagnostic box flashing the od off light while the check engine light stays lit i am having the identical problem in my 95 3.0 v6. I have run through every thing except the ecu. I am really leaning toward a semi shot ecu that still partially runs the truck but can't monitor the engine fully. Your tps should be the same as a 95 4-runner which is the same as the toyota pickups. You can find them used on e-bay for good prices. If you want a new one they run between 80-118 here in az. Good luck and let me know if you figure out why the od light is being triggered when you jump the diagnostic box.
 
I thought about pulling the TB. this would make it easier to fully check the TPS and also to adjust it if I thought that would help. problem is is that its really damn cold up here. its 24 right now and that makes it really hard to work on a car even in a garage.

as for figuring out what the problem actually is, thats what I have been trying to do. thats why I took it to toyota and that why i placed the post.

i read that the od off light blinks to give you a code associated with the tranny. im my case 62 is related to seleniod 1. but whan i tried it today i dodnt get any codes, but maybe the engine has to be warm.
 
Ok first off if you disconnected your battery that will clear all codes on the dash until you drive it again long enough to set off the check engine light. So that might be why you get no codes. As for a code 62 for the tranny i never knew of the tranny throwing codes just the braking system and engine system. When ever it warms up in your area definitly check your tps sensor with the tb pulled off the engine you can't get a feeler gauge in there very easy with it on. Keep me posted on what you find and i will look into these codes for the tranny that you are talking about.
 
Itll be a while before it gets warmed up. One thing i noticed tonight when I took the multi meter to idl and e2 terminals of the tps is that i got an open reading at all throttle openings. I figured even if I couldnt get a feeler guage in there I could at least get a general idea whet in wnet from reading resistance to going open.
one thing I want to know about pulling the tb is how do you drain the coolant out of it?
 
My first thought is timing...

And by timing, I mean the engine timing as in look at the timing belt and the cams.
 
Dump the Chilton manual and get or download a Factory Service Manual.

Then follow the diagnostic and troubleshooting directions explicitly.

Pay attention to what it says about the OD light, operating temperature, etc.

If you follow the manual exactly as it says, and in the proper order, you have a real good chance of nailing it down, the Toyota FSMs are excellent.
 
JoeHill said:
Itll be a while before it gets warmed up. One thing i noticed tonight when I took the multi meter to idl and e2 terminals of the tps is that i got an open reading at all throttle openings. I figured even if I couldnt get a feeler guage in there I could at least get a general idea whet in wnet from reading resistance to going open.
one thing I want to know about pulling the tb is how do you drain the coolant out of it?


Let me check tomorrow on the idl e2 setting on the tps if i am correct one of the tests is infinity and it will just show 1 on the multimeter the whole time. Just pull the coolant lines that run through the tb it will drain a liitle coolant on the ground but it's not much.
 
what would pulling the hoses do? i dont think itll be hard to pull the tb its just hard to work in the cold. at .5 mm the idl e2 test should read <2.3k ohm
 
one thing I want to know about pulling the tb is how do you drain the coolant out of it?
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You asked how to drain the coolant thats how you drain it pull the coolant lines then pull the tb off and it will just pour out of the tb when you tilt it side to side. Sounds like your tps might be shot if you aren't specing out at 2.3k ohms at .5mm
 
i opened the hoof today and noticed that my tps wasnt even plugged in, car drove the same as with it plugged in. could that mean anything?
 
just pulled the throttle body. and I am having trouble unscrewing the tps screws, any advise? I dont want to strip them. also, I am now convinced the sensor is shot but still want to loosten it up to make sure.-
 

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