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Like everyone has said, go to the range, rent guns, and choose what you're most comfortable with, whether it's a revolver or autoloader.

I don't carry concealed so I have the full size Glock 17 set up with night sights and a light. The fact that the Glock does not have a safety is a plus and I like the trigger compared to a double action autoloader. I enjoy shooting my SIG and H&K, I do not enjoy my S&W Bodyguard, but the Glock is what I want if things go bump in the night.
 
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But, one of my best friends is an expert. He is an accomplished marksman, re-loader, range safety officer and owner of many firearms. I am still debating the same question myself and he always tells me that for self defense you can't beat the reliability of a revolver, whereas a semi-auto can jam, and often at the worst possible moment. So, at least give some thought to a classic S&W 357 or the likes. Just my two cents, and borrowed at that.

When I read your reply, I instantly started second guessing my choice for semi-auto handguns, but I know if I ever had to shoot in any situation dealing with life or death, I'm pretty sure I will be missing my target and the extra ammo in a semi-auto handgun would be much needed. So, a revolver is probably not the ideal weapon for me. Thanks for the info though!

Glock 19
SW M&P 9
SIG 239


in that order....

I would roll the dice on a glock jamming and have 15 +1 over a 5 round revolver any day. Besides with the proper training and practice clearing a "jam" is easy and can be done faster that a revolver reload.

I'll definately ask my instructor about clearing a jam, thank you!

Last year i went through the same thing you are, never even held a handgun untill spring of last year

Goto your range and try many guns to see what you like

i ended up with a gen4 g19 and recently bought a gen4 g34, if you join GSSF you get $100 off a glock per year, and there are competitions for fun which you can learn all kinds of stuff

whatever you end up with, respect it, and get lots of trigger time
dont let a price tag ruin something you want, you will end up spending x2 in ammo within a few months

Been thinking about the gen4 also, good thing about that one is the adjustable grip. I'm assuming from researching, a good grip makes a big difference, which makes sense.

Part of the reason why I want to go with a 9mm is because it's cheaper to practice with. I know I'll need a lot of practice at the range.

If you can, take the time and try out all of your possible candidates. I say this because there are countless weapons out there, all with different layouts, ergonomics, feels, etc. I think all multiple gun owners out there should own a glock, just for the track record and aftermarket for them, but if this is going to be your only weapon, I do some extensive "test driving" and research as the flocks ergonomics are not for everyone (myself included). I own two currently, and I keep the. For friends to shoot and as a SHTF sort of go to. My primary carries are s&w m&p and sig. IMO, though a bit more expensive, you can't beat the ergo of a sig

We have 1 gun shop in town, and a Scheels (sporting goods store). Not too many selections at the local shop, and Scheels have some major brands, but not many to hold and get a feel for. Probably a stupid question, but would it be hard/stupid to make a custom grip to improve the ergonomics? Like wrapping it with something, like string/paracord to "dial" in a good grip? I mean, if the gun shoots well, but the grip sucks, would that be something do-able?

Another reason why I was leaning towards a glock, when SHTF, many law enforcement uses the glock, plus 9mm is very common so finding ammo wouldn't be too hard, I hope. And I read the glock is a very good go-to handgun, even in less than desirable shooting circumstances.

As mcfly said, go to the local store with a range and try them out. Different guns work better for different people based on their ergonomics. I would stay away from full size frame guns for concealed carry unless you are a big guy. You may want to look into the glock 26 if you are looking for a 9mm. You can always get another 9mm in a full size for your night stand gun.

A smaller frame gun may also work better for your spous . I would recommend you take the class together so she is comfortable with the weapon as well.

Stay safe and practice regularly!

Okki

Sometimes I wish I was still in TX, they have plenty of ranges where I could rent out different handguns to shoot with. But nothing like that here in Sioux City, IA. I'm probably considered average sized, so no full-size frames for me, maybe in the future, but I agree, not as a conceal. My wife is thinking of getting something small like the baby glock 26, but right now she's pregnant and they don't recommend her to be at a shooting range.

No firearm is going to be good for every job. But the best pistol is one you can shoot comfortably an reliably. Doesn't matter what kind of firearm you have if you can't get off good shot placement or you aren't comfortable handling it.

I carry a Ruger LCP as an EDC, but I also have a Ruger P89 and Sig P229 for situations when the baby .380 won't suffice or if I am wearing layers of clothing that warrant a larger frame.

I agree with the "can shoot comfortably and reliably", I guess I won't know till I actually pull the trigger, literally :)

I've probably bought/sold 25ish handguns over the years trying to find the "one" that works best for me. For now I've settled on three... H&K USP Compact in 9mm is my every day carry, Sig P220 SAO in .45 is a close second. In the summer in tend to go lighter weight and switch over to a .380. After 20 some years of carrying the M9 as my duty weapon I was pretty comfortable with SA/DA semi-automatic. Take your class, borrow some of your friends weapons or hit the local range and see what they have in the way of rentals. Once you've found the one, don't forget to check prices for second hand versions.

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I looked at the H&Ks, and I didn't read anywhere that anyone was disappointed in them. I mean for the price, they shouldn't be. I think if I were to get one, I would definitely have to shoot with it before I would commit to that price.

If I were to look for used guns, what should I look out for?

I have a few Glocks, love them and am even a Glock Armorer. But since you are so new in handguns I would respectfully suggest something like a XD or Beretta with a additional safety.

So, you would steer newbies away from Glocks because the safety on the Glocks are not made well? Or because it's not beginner friendly versus a XD or Beretta? I've read about some people stating Glocks are less forgiving than other guns, in terms of the trigger? As long as I'm always pointing the gun in a safe direction (away from people, explosives, etc), keep my finger off the trigger, and have the safety on, I should be primarily ok, yes? And philly, it's weird not seeing you post a sarcastic response :)

Thanks for the info and suggestions so far guys
 
Sig P226 9mm. Reliable. Accuracy of a 9mm that can handle hot/higher temp rounds for added stopping power no problem.

I keep seeing the sig p226 being recommended during my research, I think I'll look into those a little more.

I enjoy my sr9c, right size, never fails, eats any ammo, has 16 mag and 10 mag, great for carry and range. I did look at the sp xd 3.8. Nice but alittle heavy and more $$$$.

will check that out

I agree with this. I've got an H&K USP 9mm full size that goes everywhere I go in the 4runner. Its a very comfortable weapon for me(big hands) and its crazy accurate. 18 rounds + 1 in the chamber means I've got plenty of time to pick my targets, and get myself and those I care for to safety. It took me about 4 years to finally settle on this one, so take your time, try out a wide variety, then go with what feels like it fits best. Good Luck!

Sounds like it's gonna be a while before I find the right one for me :gun6:

Join a gun forum. You will learn a lot. I am a member of one here www.indianashooter.com. More of a community though as we have many events and get together's

I think I will, even though this forum eats up my time already. We have a local gun club in town, I will eventually join that.

Like everyone has said, go to the range, rent guns, and choose what you're most comfortable with, whether it's a revolver or autoloader.

I don't carry concealed so I have the full size Glock 17 set up with night sights and a light. The fact that the Glock does not have a safety is a plus and I like the trigger compared to a double action autoloader. I enjoy shooting my SIG and H&K, I do not enjoy my S&W Bodyguard, but the Glock is what I want if things go bump in the night.

S**T, I guess I didn't know Glocks don't have a safety!? lmao wow. that's something major I overlooked. thanks for the info! I guess this is what philly was talking about...back to the drawing board, because I do prefer to have a safety :ybrick: :dammit:
 
I keep seeing the sig p226 being recommended during my research, I think I'll look into those a little more.

S**T, I guess I didn't know Glocks don't have a safety!? lmao wow. that's something major I overlooked. thanks for the info! I guess this is what philly was talking about...back to the drawing board, because I do prefer to have a safety :ybrick: :dammit:

Glocks and most Sigs do not have safeties, and there's good reason for that. In a stress situation where you have to very quickly shoot in defense, are you going to think about the safety? No, you are going to point and shoot. Experienced, professionals prefer to NOT have a safety. If you feel "safer" with a safety, then by all means get a pistol with one, but ensure that you train consistently in its use.
 
Glocks and most Sigs do not have safeties, and there's good reason for that. In a stress situation where you have to very quickly shoot in defense, are you going to think about the safety? No, you are going to point and shoot. Experienced, professionals prefer to NOT have a safety. If you feel "safer" with a safety, then by all means get a pistol with one, but ensure that you train consistently in its use.

It's really hard to predict how we will react in a stress situation, but more than likely I will not think about the safety and would be squeezing the trigger and saying "WTF" and look at the pistol confused and then I'm shot, so that's a good point. I guess if I'm getting a pistol for a self defense situation, I better get one designed "better" for that stress situation. I guess I was just worried about my kids getting into the "future" gun safe and shooting themselves accidentally, but then again, my kid already knows how to push buttons and turn switches on and off, so no matter what, it's ultimately my responsibility to keep them out of the gun safe. And as long as I respect the pistol, take all common safety precautions, I will be fine. No safety it is. Thanks for the insight!
 
This truly is an intensely personal choice, because you need to be 100% comfortable with it and it should be like an extension of your hand. I am a big fan of the Ruger SR9.
 
I carry almost all the time and own a nice selection of handguns to choose from as well as having tried most handguns suitable for CCW at the range or at training classes. My personal choice, depending on what I'm wearing is either my Sig P229-DAK or P239. Both are chambered for 357Sig. I chose 357Sig, before choosing the pistol, mostly because it's a bottle neck round which means mis-feeds are almost impossible and after thousands of rounds through both guns I've never had a mis-feed or ejection problem. Remember the first rule of a carry weapon is that it must function first time, every time, no questions asked, no excuses accepted or you die.

The one thing I'll recommend to anyone that carries or is contemplating getting their CCW permit. Practice and train, go to the range as often as you can and take as many tactical handgun classes as you can. I'm not talking about the NRA CCW class or similar basic pistol class which many people take to qualify for their permit, I'm talking about a class that teaches how to carry, deploy and shoot under the stress of a life or death situation.
 
Im taking this road too... been interested in the m&p9c or m&p shield. not sure which though till I try em out. shield is $100 less, about 5 rounds less but less than an inch wide. mp9c is a tad bit bigger is all. 10 or 12 round mag.... anyway.
 
Learn to reload as well. Your weapon accuracy is only as good as what you feed it. Plus you can control your own supply. Never fails to amaze me someone will drop 4 figures on a weapon then use cheap ammo or cheap optics on long rifles.
 
Definitely rent everything and test them out. I have a wide range of pistols but I carry my Glock 23 the most. If a Glock DOES fit your needs, look into GSSF($35 I think). If you join, you get a pretty nice discount off a new gun and can compete in their target matches which are a lot of fun. I think there is a waiting period for the discount now though. It used to be you join and get an immediate discount.
 
Going on 15 years with the G23 as my prefered CCW. Except when I'm over here...and am stuck carrying something less capable.
 
I just recently had to make this decision. I chose a Glock 22. 40.cal I do alot of backcountry hiking and backpacking so the bigger caliber would help when it's just the wife and me on the trail an some big game decides it doesn't want me around.

I Chose the glock because it's light weight, reliable, accurate, single action, (tons of modifications available to make it perfect for your situation), I like the 22 model over the 27 (27 being the mini .40 cal) because the larger pistol grip gave me much firmer control of the gun as well the 22 holds 15 +1 and can easily be modified to carry 17 +1 .40 cal rounds.

The lack of safety switch certainly concerned me but all it all I wanted a personal defense gun that was always ready to do what i needed. With proper gun safety practice its not a big deal, also the gun has a trigger safety on it so you can't unintentionally pull the trigger.

I LOVE the sig's there great guns also expensive and as I new this gun would be in the truck I didn't want the risk of having my 8-900 dollar gun stolen. I looked at the S&W M&P .40 cal and the glock 22 the S&W was cheaper but I felt the Glock was a better purchase. Both were used (didnt want a brand new gun another risk of getting stolen) I wound up going with the Glock 22 it was a retired police training handgun so I new it was cared for properly also didnt show signs of being abused or used very much at all got the gun for half of MSRP of a new Glock 22 and love it! came with night sights and theres so many mods available to customize it to your liking!

I def. like the Glock 19, and the glock 26 (both 9mm) the 26 is the compact model (more easily concealed if you go that rout). Which ever gun you go with find a range and start getting comfortable with the gun shoot 100 rounds or better through it if it's a brand new gun to get it broken in good. practice unholstering it and quick draw's. all it all don't hesitate to take a class either. I grew up around guns thinking i knew everything learned more in 8hrs about guns than i had in 15 years or so of using them.

just my $.02 happy shopping and definitely grab it while you can!
 
I have a few Glocks, love them and am even a Glock Armorer. But since you are so new in handguns I would respectfully suggest something like a XD or Beretta with a additional safety.

This is exactly why I went with the XD. I have both a .45 and .40. They're great guns. I'll repeat what everyone else said. Find what fits YOU best and practice, practice, practice!
 
Sig P250C .45 Caliber. Solid weapon, just right for me. Not really a pocket gun, but one you can conceal on the body or mount somewhere. Good luck!
 
The one thing I'll recommend to anyone that carries or is contemplating getting their CCW permit. Practice and train, go to the range as often as you can and take as many tactical handgun classes as you can. I'm not talking about the NRA CCW class or similar basic pistol class which many people take to qualify for their permit, I'm talking about a class that teaches how to carry, deploy and shoot under the stress of a life or death situation.

Good advice. Courses and the range are great for technical training. In addition, I would highly recommend that some of you guys new to guns get a group of your friends together, pick up a few airsoft hand guns, put on some protective paintball/airsoft headgear and go at it on a private lot - preferably on your property.

My friends and I upgraded the sh!t out of our Tokyo Marui's. We would use glass BBs, (biovals), and wear thin shirts, (underarmour) so that we would feel every shot - the rounds would break skin. Nothing gets your heart pounding more than when you are hunted. You will learn how to use a basic semiautomatic handgun. The airsoft guns these days have everything down from properly chambering your first round/single action/double action/decocker and a simulated recoil. You will learn how to reload your weapon fast and what it means to be prepared. You will learn basic strategy and how to be safe.

Most importantly, you will learn how you react in a stressful situation, on your property at that.

Be safe. Have fun.
 
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Good advice. Courses and the range are great for technical training. In addition, I would highly recommend that some of you guys new to guns get a group of your friends together, pick up a few airsoft hand guns, put on some protective paintball/airsoft headgear and go at it on a private lot - preferably on your property.

My friends and I upgraded the sh!t out of our Tokyo Marui's. We would use glass BBs, (biovals), and wear thin shirts, (underarmour) so that we would feel every shot - the rounds would break skin. Nothing gets your heart pounding more than when you are hunted. You will learn how to use a basic semiautomatic handgun. The airsoft guns these days have everything down from properly chambering your first round/single action/double action/decocker and a simulated recoil. You will learn how to reload your weapon fast and what it means to be prepared. You will learn basic strategy and how to be safe.

Most importantly, you will learn how you react in a stressful situation, on your property at that.

Be safe. Have fun.

Mil-sim airsoft is a crazy new phenomenon. I got seriously worked by some guys on a paintball field a few years ago. Those guys are serious!
 
I have a few Glocks, love them and am even a Glock Armorer. But since you are so new in handguns I would respectfully suggest something like a XD or Beretta with a additional safety.

I'm an NRA certified instructor, NRA range safety officer, and IDPA safety officer.

The Glock 19 is a good choice, even for a beginner. The XD is fine, but is in no way safer than a Glock. And I certainly do not recommend a DA/SA semi-auto like a Beretta.

.357 SIG? No thanks, and absolutely not a good choice for a beginner. First, .357 SIG is stupidly expensive and often hard to find. Second, it has a very large flash and loud report -- beginners already have a hard enough time not flinching and .357 SIG is just going to exacerbate that. For reloaders, .357 SIG just sucks compared to a straight-walled pistol cartridge like 9mm or 45 ACP.

Get a 9mm, buy a lot of ammo, take more classes, and practice a lot.
 
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