Dexter Morgan
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I'd feel as manly getting into an LR2 as I would a Honda Ridgeline...no thanks.
Has anyone gone from Land Rover to 4Runner?
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I'd feel as manly getting into an LR2 as I would a Honda Ridgeline...no thanks.
Dexter Morgan
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Oh yeah, I also need new spark plugs, due at 105k. And I'm now getting an intermittent "Transmission Fault, Reduced Traction" warning. From reading up, it seems this isn't a real issue but just add it to the heap.
I'm going for an extended test drive in a 4runner (you know, a few hours so I can run my routes and take it back to my home base) and would then make a final decision. However, from everyone's feedback, it seems I would not be disappointed.
Now I'm starting a bit of a debate on an SR5 vs Trail, both non premium, both non-KDSS but with Nav and Entune app suite. I am not doing KDSS since I'm immediately swapping out the suspension...either Bilstein 5100 or OME.
I'm going for an extended test drive in a 4runner (you know, a few hours so I can run my routes and take it back to my home base) and would then make a final decision. However, from everyone's feedback, it seems I would not be disappointed.
Now I'm starting a bit of a debate on an SR5 vs Trail, both non premium, both non-KDSS but with Nav and Entune app suite. I am not doing KDSS since I'm immediately swapping out the suspension...either Bilstein 5100 or OME.
Jim82
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Unlike the XREAS system on the Limited, the KDSS on the Trial will work with nearly any aftermarket suspension system; to include 5100 and OME. If that's your only reason for not going with KDSS, just thought you should know.
Ditto. I've got about 3 months driving time in an LR2, although not the 2014. It's a nice enough crossover and I like the way it drives. Can't see paying what it costs to get one. And at the risk of offending, it doesn't feel like a "real" Rover to me. It seems to have similar traction control as the LR3 and LR4, which is quite good. But it's more mainstream to drive. I like them. Better value for the money is maybe a Honda Pilot?
Have to say it kind of depends on the car, what's been done, and if you're willin to do some repairs yourself. If you get a Disco that recently had head gaskets done you're likely in pretty good shape, considering they cost nothing. An LR3 with all the big known issues already fixed likely gets you 80K of relatively trouble free driving. More risk there, and harder to find.
You can do ok with them if you're picky and patient. And you have to really want one. They'll never be close to a 4Runner from a reliability perspective.
Dexter Morgan
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Depends how much risk you want to take on to get into a particular car. The drivetrain is solid on the L322, but little things here and there could drive you crazy. I didn't pay nearly what it was new, so the tradeoff is having to deal with certain things out of warranty for an inexpensive entry into that market.
Dexter Morgan
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Yes but doesn't it make a lift more difficult? Since I am definitely going with some sort of 2.5 or 3" lift, I want my installer to be comfortable with doing it rather than having to fight around the KDSS.
I owned my 2012 evoque with 8k miles for ecxactly 6 weeks before trading it for a 2012 4runner. It was by far the most unreliable, least dependable car i've ever owned (i've owned over 20 cars in the last 4-5 years) they are gorgeous cars, and drive pretty awesome, i just couldn't afford to be at the dealer every week missing work
out with the old...in with the new
out with the old...in with the new
I am like you in that I cannot drive a car with the little things broken. A Saab 900 turbo taught me that long ago and it was a lot of time spent at the dealer and money out of my pocket. I loved that car but the commitment was rediculous and an economic loser. I currently won't own anything out of factory warranty and find toyota and lexus give the very best value as a new purchase and sale prior to warranty end. And that they suit utah snow and offroad opportunities is a win win. A RR out of warranty seems crazy unless you are without kids and like to wrench. I do think they are gorgeous vehicles. And how they can be confident over landers makes no sense to me unless we're talking about tooling around the northeast rather than Death Valley. Lexus gives a 4 year/50k bumper to bumper rather than toyota's 3/36. Something to think about. RR to GX/LX makes sense, but RR to 4R is no slam dunk. You may get restless in 6-12 months unless you really get it offroad where it'll shine.
Jeremy556
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Nope, no different than a regular sway bar as far as lifting goes.
Dexter Morgan
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Ok I was just reading some other threads where the lift with the KDSS was a pain using straps to try and reconnect the sway bars and so forth.
Also, my salesman said Toyota is not building non premium Trails with KDSS, anyone know if this is true?
Also, my salesman said Toyota is not building non premium Trails with KDSS, anyone know if this is true?
Jeremy556
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It can be a PITA, I spent a lot of time and busted knuckles when I first installed my lift. I have removed/reinstalled it a dozen times now, so it only takes me 5 minutes with this method:
All 4 tires on the ground, use a jack under the passenger side of the bar to lift it into position, then use 2 punches and a prybar to align it and insert the bolts. Then do the driver's side.
KidVermicious
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I used to brag about that road, but after seeing this....
Yeeeeeeeeeah, so... no offense, but don't do that
. Long Canyon is super tame, in terms of what sort of offroading the 4Runner is capable of. Unless the weather is bad, Long Canyon doesn't need 4WD at all. By way of comparison, a stock 4Runner (or Land Rover, for that matter) can handle 4-5 rated trails like Fins and Things or Seven Mile Rim with ease.Say the word next time you're in the area. If I'm free I'd be happy to meet you down there and help you through some rougher stuff.
That's the key point. Rovers depreciate off a cliff after a few years. You have to know what you're getting into and what issues to expect. More importantly, what issues have already been fixed. Having access to a good Rover-specific mechanic is key also.
philsey
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Not true. Sales regions (not Toyota) determine what they will/won't sell - options wise.
Put your zip code into the Toyota.com builder, and try to build a TE w/KDSS. If the option does not appear, your region has determined not to sell that configuration. I'm in that same boat in IL.
Now do it with a Denver zip, and you'll see that Toyota does indeed build it - for that Region - because they want to sell it. Lots of members travel to get what they want.
It's slightly possible your salesguy does not even know better, but you bet yer arse they aren't going to tell you this.
New England Region -- Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island
Greater New York Region -- New York, New Jersey, Connecticut
Central Atlantic Region -- Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Delaware, District of Columbia
Southeast Region -- North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida
Western Region -- Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota
Ohio Valley Region -- Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee
Midwest Region -- Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota
Mountain Region -- Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming
Gulf States Region -- Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi
Northern CA Region -- California north of the Los Angeles metro area
Southern CA Region -- Los Angeles metro area, and areas south
Pacific Northwest Region -- Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana
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Dexter Morgan
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Well, how's that for hijinks, my salesguy was actually correct, he just stated it wrong. The KDSS option doesn't appear in my area (CT). Why would they not offer KDSS with a non premium? Logic says supply and demand, but any other reason? The rigid nature of regions and Toyota is kind of bothering me...would it kill Toyota to allow someone to buy a TEP without sunroof?
In fact, the only package I get is:
Entune™ Premium Audio with Navigation and App Suite 12 with options | $250. This includes rigid running boards which I absolutely despise...is there a way to delete this? Or do I need to go outside of my region?
1engineer
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Go outside of your region if you want something different. Lots of guys do that. [MENTION=68216]jhoss[/MENTION] wnt to NC form Texas to get his. Mine came with running boards and I took them off as soon as I got home. Took about 10 minutes. I then put them in the for sale section here and sold them pretty quick.
Dexter Morgan
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I may have to if I decide KDSS is worth it. Since I'm doing a lift, I just presume that that alone will take out a decent amount of dive, squat and roll.
Ah ok cool...so the running boards come off and don't expose an unfinished rocker? In other words, they are completely and literally bolt on to the frame. Rockers are the same regardless of boards or not??
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