Has anyone off roaded with H2's
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4RunnerKid
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H2s suck. I would put a 4Runner up against an H2 anyday.
94yotarunner
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Yea... low clearance, heavy as hell, bulky size, heavy as hell again... probably spinners to go with some street tires.
My money's on the 4runner.
Buy a hummer, then buy a 2nd gen and put the rest of the money into modding it, and you end up with a chitty hummer and a sweet 2nd gen... for the same price.
My money's on the 4runner.
Buy a hummer, then buy a 2nd gen and put the rest of the money into modding it, and you end up with a chitty hummer and a sweet 2nd gen... for the same price.
Gryphon
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H2 is just another wannabe like the BroncoII. Built on a Tahoe chassis the only commonality it shares with the real HUMMER is the name and parent company. I would mention fuel mileage, but I think the H1 gets better mileage!
I'd vote to go with the 2nd gen myself. And maybe a pre-86 1st gen with solid axles and a supercharged 3.4l swap.
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I'd vote to go with the 2nd gen myself. And maybe a pre-86 1st gen with solid axles and a supercharged 3.4l swap.
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NoSpeedLmt
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TRD04RUNNER
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baaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! what a POS!:clap:
RonMAIDEN
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Any truck would break something if you did what the H2 did so I wouldn't put my Runner up to that.
Stock vs stock the H2 will go where any Runner can;I've seen them tested at Moab and they have built in sliders and a rear locker;you just gotta skip the Running boards and they have 10" of clearance which is what most Runners have.
It's fun to bag on H2s but let's be realistic;the H2 has a slight edge in off road capability in the right hands but I bet only one out of a 1000 actually will see more dirt than the sand they lay down here in the winter.
Still,for the money there's better options out there unless you just want to be trendy.
Stock vs stock the H2 will go where any Runner can;I've seen them tested at Moab and they have built in sliders and a rear locker;you just gotta skip the Running boards and they have 10" of clearance which is what most Runners have.
It's fun to bag on H2s but let's be realistic;the H2 has a slight edge in off road capability in the right hands but I bet only one out of a 1000 actually will see more dirt than the sand they lay down here in the winter.
Still,for the money there's better options out there unless you just want to be trendy.
Solice
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:iagree:
The H2 weighs over 8,000lbs (something like 8,400 I think). That's a lot of weight to pull up hill in mud or any real loose terrain. Especially with the short wheel base all the weight is sort of bunched up, unlike the H1 where it's more distributed. I'm not going to say the H2 sucks but it definately has it's weight working hard against it.
The H2 weighs over 8,000lbs (something like 8,400 I think). That's a lot of weight to pull up hill in mud or any real loose terrain. Especially with the short wheel base all the weight is sort of bunched up, unlike the H1 where it's more distributed. I'm not going to say the H2 sucks but it definately has it's weight working hard against it.
Good Times
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any stock 4wd vehicle is capable. yes some of the stock pos's might have inferior parts but as long as the driver knows the limitations of their vehicle, they'll be able to conquer anything. I've seen some amazing stuff so don't discredit any vehicle that quickly.
do remember that it's approximately 90% driver skill and 10% vehicle spec... be one with the vehicle
o btw, if that driver drove our 4runner and did the exact same thing, you'd pretty much get the same result. sux huh? too much skinny pedal... ugh... story of everyone's life =)
do remember that it's approximately 90% driver skill and 10% vehicle spec... be one with the vehicle
o btw, if that driver drove our 4runner and did the exact same thing, you'd pretty much get the same result. sux huh? too much skinny pedal... ugh... story of everyone's life =)
Thai
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Good Times said:do remember that it's approximately 90% driver skill and 10% vehicle spec... be one with the vehicle
I know that this is a popular saying among off-roaders, but i just don't believe it. I agree that driver's skill is important, but a vehicle's capability cannot be JUST 10%. I don't care if someone is a professional driver, if he/she is in a 2wd open diff station wagon and i am in a Jeep Rubicon, then i can assure you that i will be able to cross an off-road path much better in the Rubicon.
My opinion.
Good Times
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Thai said:
When you get two drivers with 2 different skill levels and have them drive the same vehicle, it is obvious to everyone who knows how to drive and who doesn't. this applies to any other sport (such as racing). When you do these kinds of comparison, you gotta make sure you are comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges.
it's really hard to imagine that the vehicle will only contribute to only 10% of the calculations but a lot of the offroading comes from the driver skill being able to attack the trail with calculated risks rather than take it in blind. one that is skilled will know exactly what lines to take w/o hesitation and know what they will encounter. if you don't know the limitation of your rig, you're in trouble. knowing your own rig is 1/2 the battle. the other 1/2 is learning what it's capable of.
yeah i know it sounds like crap but go out and try it out sometime, the more you go out there the more you'll learn. go with others and watch them grow and learn and you'll understand the 90/10 concept.
I understand the concept of 90/10 but I see Thai's point as well. I think you're both right. Imagine taking the Jim Carey character from Dumb and Dumber and sticking him in the driver's seat of a Rubicon. Then stick Good Times in the driver's seat of my old 2WD CR-V, and I bet Good Times would get just as far as Jim Carey 
The problem is that Thai is (I think) a better off-road driver than the Dumb and Dumber guy, so if we substitute Thai in the Rubicon and put professional driver in the open diff station wagon, I agree that Thai would kick his ass Thus, I'd say it's 90/10 where the 90% is being applied to a complete retard, if the driver has at least half a brain, then I'd say it's more like 75/25.
The problem is that Thai is (I think) a better off-road driver than the Dumb and Dumber guy, so if we substitute Thai in the Rubicon and put professional driver in the open diff station wagon, I agree that Thai would kick his ass Thus, I'd say it's 90/10 where the 90% is being applied to a complete retard, if the driver has at least half a brain, then I'd say it's more like 75/25.
Thai
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Lance, just FYI, i do have "some" off-roading skills myself.
Yes, taking the correct line while off-roading is important...however, like everything, there is a limitation to that too if you're not in a capable vehicle.
For example, let's take a cross-axle situation (one front and one rear wheel is up in the air), which you see often in rock climbing. If you're driving an Isuzu Amigo (part-time 4wd with open diffs), then you will likely not make it across no matter what you do because you don't have a capable vehicle for that terrain (aka no ATRAC or locker). (And no bypasses are available.) In fact, you will probably break something from trying too hard. Now, you take the same situation in a 4runner...and you get a different result...you make it through.
So, is it really JUST 10%?? I don't believe it. IMO, this 90/10 rule was made by wannabe off-roaders who want people to think how good they are. "Oh yeah, i climb that rock hill with my bare hands & skills...it's not the Rubicon that did it! It's all me!"
Why do seasoned off-roaders go out and buy the Jeep Rubicon?? Why would they modify their Jeeps?? Wouldn't they just be JUST AS GOOD in a regular stock Jeep?? Oh wait, to be technically correct, they should be 90% as good in a stock Jeep.
Jeff Gordon in a Yugo cannot beat me in my BMW M3 on a race track, even if i tailspin every 10 yards! (Well, that is, if my BMW doesn't break down along the way!)
I agree 100% with you on one thing: KNOW YOUR VEHICLE. This is the most important thing IMO. Know your angles, know how your 4wd works (and it's limitations), know when to quit.
Yes, taking the correct line while off-roading is important...however, like everything, there is a limitation to that too if you're not in a capable vehicle.
For example, let's take a cross-axle situation (one front and one rear wheel is up in the air), which you see often in rock climbing. If you're driving an Isuzu Amigo (part-time 4wd with open diffs), then you will likely not make it across no matter what you do because you don't have a capable vehicle for that terrain (aka no ATRAC or locker). (And no bypasses are available.) In fact, you will probably break something from trying too hard. Now, you take the same situation in a 4runner...and you get a different result...you make it through.
So, is it really JUST 10%?? I don't believe it. IMO, this 90/10 rule was made by wannabe off-roaders who want people to think how good they are.
"Oh yeah, i climb that rock hill with my bare hands & skills...it's not the Rubicon that did it! It's all me!" Why do seasoned off-roaders go out and buy the Jeep Rubicon?? Why would they modify their Jeeps?? Wouldn't they just be JUST AS GOOD in a regular stock Jeep?? Oh wait, to be technically correct, they should be 90% as good in a stock Jeep.
Jeff Gordon in a Yugo cannot beat me in my BMW M3 on a race track, even if i tailspin every 10 yards!
(Well, that is, if my BMW doesn't break down along the way!)I agree 100% with you on one thing: KNOW YOUR VEHICLE. This is the most important thing IMO. Know your angles, know how your 4wd works (and it's limitations), know when to quit.
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