Help me finalize my lift!

blairracd

blairracd

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I am going to do this right this time. I want a perfect 2-2.5 inches. I don't want to stretch anything too much and I really like the look of this amount of lift.


This is what I have decided....
Front: Bilstein 5100 and OME 881
Rear: Bilstein 5100 and OME 906 (or 890?*)

My questions...(*)

So, I want 2 inches, but I'm having a debate with myself about which coil. 906 will give 2", but then again, I also do really like the look of a little rake; so, 890 would satisfy that. I am also thinking of 890 rather than 906, because I always have some gear in the back, and will have even more whenever I go on trips.

Ideas? Comments/concerns? Anything please!



TIA
 
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I would probably say go with the 906 because everything I've heard is the 890 will give you 3" even if your pretty loaded. You can adjust the 5100s a bit too for leveling it.
 
stell4r said:
I would probably say go with the 906 because everything I've heard is the 890 will give you 3" even if you're pretty loaded. You can adjust the 5100s a bit too for leveling it.
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Thanks! This is the kind of stuff I need.

Speaking of the adjustable, what if I went with the front 880 coil and moved up a perch on the front 5100s? How would that compare to 881s and bottom perch?
 
blairracd said:
Thanks! This is the kind of stuff I need.

Speaking of the adjustable, what if I went with the front 880 coil and moved up a perch on the front 5100s? How would that compare to 881s and bottom perch?
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Umm I'm not sure of what the effect will be on them but here's the general info for 880 vs 881

OME 880: Stock front weight.1.5 inch lift.
OME 881: Stock front weight. 2-2.5 inch lift. Add Top Plate Spacers for full 3 inch.

I would probably go with the 881 because that 2" - 2.5" is right where you want to be without messing with adjustments on coils meant for 1.5".
 
There has been lots of debate over the 906 rear springs recently.
Some say the ride is too firm- even harsh.
A couple guys have gone from the 906 to the 890, and were very pleased.
Others have the 906, and are very pleased.
I think the 890 will give you more comfort, and I like some rake.
I vote for the 881 and the 890.
The 880 would give you more room to adjust, and would also be a good option with the 5100 adjustables.
I have to recommend getting the top stem bushing kit from Wheelers Off-road while you have the front apart. The front 5100 do not come with new bushings, and you might as well replace them while you're in there.
 
If you are mainly just driving on the road, go with 881/906 with two 10mm trim packers. That's the exact same setup I am currently running.

However, if you go offroad even a little often, go for the 890s. I was out running forest service roads today that had some washboard and rocky sections, and the 906s make it absolute hell. Extremely stiff, and it even makes the back end kick out (and on my 02 trips the VSC) if you go over a large bump while turning.
 
Tyler James Inc said:
There has been lots of debate over the 906 rear springs recently.
Some say the ride is too firm- even harsh.
A couple guys have gone from the 906 to the 890, and were very pleased.
Others have the 906, and are very pleased.
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That's interesting to hear. Hadn't heard that. But I would go that route hearing those things
 
I did a similar upgrade last month on my '98 Limited. OME 2906 rear, Bilstein 5100's all around, and original stock front springs. The result is that my vehicle height went from 21 inches rear, 20 1/2 inches front to 22 1/8 rear 20 7/8 inches front. The front Bilsteins are set to the zero position, but it increased by 3/8 inch.

I am very pleased with the firm ride of the 906's, but you might want to go with one of the other rear springs if you want more lift. Of course, they always say your results may vary.
 
trailbikerider said:
If you are mainly just driving on the road, go with 881/906 with two 10mm trim packers. That's the exact same setup I am currently running.

However, if you go offroad even a little often, go for the 890s. I was out running forest service roads today that had some washboard and rocky sections, and the 906s make it absolute hell. Extremely stiff, and it even makes the back end kick out (and on my 02 trips the VSC) if you go over a large bump while turning.
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I'd say I'll be doing 70% road 30% offroad. Looks like I'll be going 890?
 
GeoFlory said:
I did a similar upgrade last month on my '98 Limited. OME 2906 rear, Bilstein 5100's all around, and original stock front springs. The result is that my vehicle height went from 21 inches rear, 20 1/2 inches front to 22 1/8 rear 20 7/8 inches front. The front Bilsteins are set to the zero position, but it increased by 3/8 inch.

I am very pleased with the firm ride of the 906's, but you might want to go with one of the other rear springs if you want more lift. Of course, they always say your results may vary.
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I want 2 inches (906), but I wouldn't mind rake (890). BUT, I definitely do not want to have a saggy butt when going on a trip.
 
Update: I realized there are 4runner specific 5100s. Has anyone dealt with these?

What would be advantages/disadvantages of using these instead of the tundra ones?

I feel like they would be better for the weight of the 4runner, no?

Also, I have decided on 881 for front and 890 for rear (after a lot more research)...
 
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blairracd said:
Update: I realized there are 4runner specific 5100s. Has anyone dealt with these?
What would be advantages/disadvantages of using these instead of the tundra ones?
I feel like they would be better for the weight of the 4runner, no?
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I have the 4Runner specific 5100s on mine with stock coils. Right now I only have the rears on, but it's been a huge improvement so far. The fronts come today and I'm going to be putting some used 99 tall coils on them and then plan on 906s in the rear.

My reasonings for this set up:
1. I want a small lift. I don't want change the geometry of the suspension/steering/drivetrain very much. I feel like most people lift their truck more than necessary, but either way for my use case 2" is plenty.
2. I use my 4Runner as a truck, to occasionally tow a trailer, and to go on longer camping trips. The 906's will hold more weight with less sagging. I'm tired of putting 250 pounds in the back and seeing it sag.
3. I don't want the ride to be too harsh since it's my DD. That's why I chose the 4Runner 5100's, because I figured the Tundra 5100s would make it ride even more truck like with the 906s.

I'll let you know once I have the fronts installed, although I'm probably going to wait until I have the 906s in hand so I don't drive around with more reverse rake than I already have.
 
Well, you sold me! I feel the same -- don't need to lift too much and still want to use it like it's meant to.

Would you happen to know the part numbers for the 4runner 5100s?

Thanks a lot
 
blairracd said:
Two options..... Older BE5-D558-TO or newer 24-248730?

Pro/cons?
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"Many after market suppliers (like Wheelers and ToyTec) offer either Bilstein Tundra or D558 front shock for 4runners. Bilstein told me that D558 part number refers to F4-BE5-D558-TO, which was a shock they manufactured specifically for Race Car Dynamics 95-02 Tacoma lift kit. He also said, this shock should not be used for 4runners." - from this thread.

That being said, I know many have run them and not had issues. I just decided to trust Bilstein that these would work (although adding in the aftermarket coils is something they can't really plan/valve for besides adjusting the length).
 
traben27 said:
"Many after market suppliers (like Wheelers and ToyTec) offer either Bilstein Tundra or D558 front shock for 4runners. Bilstein told me that D558 part number refers to F4-BE5-D558-TO, which was a shock they manufactured specifically for Race Car Dynamics 95-02 Tacoma lift kit. He also said, this shock should not be used for 4runners." - from this thread.

That being said, I know many have run them and not had issues. I just decided to trust Bilstein that these would work (although adding in the aftermarket coils is something they can't really plan/valve for besides adjusting the length).
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Awesome. I know exactly what I lift I want now. Thanks
 
One other thing, I believe the 4Runner specific 5100s are too short for the 890s (Bilstein recommends 0 - 2.3" of lift).

I did find this farther down in the thread where [MENTION=78498]4Runner4TW[/MENTION] is running the same set up I'm going for but with 880s up front. Sounds like he loves it, but maybe he'll chime in.
 
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