Hopefully this wasn't anyone from here

[segafan1989]

Of course it is the drivers fault; but that doesn't make him an idiot. It doesn't even make him a bad driver - all it does is make him at fault for a single car accident.

Yes, it does make him a bad driver and an idiot. A good driver would not have been speeding in conditions such as those. It doesn't matter how you or anyone else tries to justify it, the person operating that vehicle is not smart and is damn lucky that they were not seriously hurt. The sad truth is I doubt that they even thought twice about it. They'll probably end up trashing that Runner. What a shame.

Btw, we are talking about a 4Runner...we're talking about one being neglected.

 

[BrianSD_42]

Exactly who's fault was it then, the water's?

Pretty funny. I'd have to agree here that it was the drivers fault although most drivers on the road aren't all that great, generally speaking.

People make mistakes all the time. There was that guy a few weeks ago who almost died because he came upon an accident or something in the middle of the freeway, in the dark and just stopped dead on the freeway because of the accident. A truck came up from behind, hit them and damn near killed everyone in the vehicle. No one died but I think some people were pretty ruffed up.

He should have driven off the road instead of stopping in the middle of the road - he didn't. But I bet over 50% of people, even T4R-rs (its a giant community remember) would have just done the same thing he did and just stopped.

 

[A.Wilson013]

Yes, it does make him a bad driver and an idiot. A good driver would not have been speeding in conditions such as those.

What was the drivers speed when he hit the puddle? What was the speed limit on the stretch of road he was travelling? Since the answers to both of those questions is, " I don't know." how are you able to make the claim that he's speeding?

While the statements you're making may in fact be valid, it's impossible for any of us to label them accurate or not.


Here's a fun exercise: Go clog your bathtub and turn the water on to just a steady stream. Nothing crazy. Now go to work, but have a friend turn the water off an hour before you get home. Report back when you get home as to the amount of standing water in your tub (or on you bathroom floor).

My point is this: That clogged storm drain may have been collecting water for HOURS before that guy got there, and it may not even have been raining at the time of the video. How should he have known that as he entered the curve, the downhill side would be flooded due to a failure of the state's highway maintenace crews?

I guarantee that 99% of the users on this forum will travel the speed limit on their way to/from work the next time the roads are wet. You included.

 

[02SE]

It doesn't matter what the speed limit was on that stretch of road. The Driver's speed was too fast for the conditions.

When I'm driving in a rainstorm, I am looking for standing water. If I can't see well enough to see a big puddle of water in my lane of travel, then I'm going too fast for conditions.

If anyone is going so fast that they can't see the road conditions ahead, and react to hazards in the road, then they are going too fast for conditions.

I also keep good tires on my vehicles, so I know how likely I am to hydroplane, or not.

Bottom line: It is the drivers fault. I'm glad they didn't hurt themselves or anyone else.

 

[segafan1989]

It doesn't matter what the speed limit was on that stretch of road. The Driver's speed was too fast for the conditions.

When I'm driving in a rainstorm, I am looking for standing water. If I can't see well enough to see a big puddle of water in my lane of travel, then I'm going too fast for conditions.

If anyone is going so fast that they can't see the road conditions ahead, and react to hazards in the road, then they are going too fast for conditions.

I also keep good tires on my vehicles, so I know how likely I am to hydroplane, or not.

Bottom line: It is the drivers fault. I'm glad they didn't hurt themselves or anyone else.

A smart response from someone with sense.

 

[segafan1989]

I guarantee that 99% of the users on this forum will travel the speed limit on their way to/from work the next time the roads are wet. You included.

I didn't know you were such an expert on OTHER people's driving habits that you could make such a claim.

Whenever rain is involved, I drop my speed 10-15mph below the limit and let all the wreckless ones pass me by. Funny thing is I've seen some of those same wreckless ones get in a wreck miles down the road and all I can do is laugh at their stupidity as I drive by.

If you can't tell by now, I have no sympathy for those who create their own misfortunes and this knucklehead certainly did just that.

 

[A.Wilson013]

It doesn't matter what the speed limit was on that stretch of road. The Driver's speed was too fast for the conditions.

When I'm driving in a rainstormHow can you tell it's a rain storm? While it may have been, I could show you my driveway after the sprinkler hits it and you'd think it was pouring., I am looking for standing waterAnd going through a corner at 65mph, you're probably not seeing it quickly enough... Like this guy.. If I can't see well enough to see a big puddle of water in my lane of travel, then I'm going too fast for conditions. Agreed. However, seeing that if he's traveling at the posted speed(65mph) I don't think he could have seen the water pooled even if he were going 45mph. If you're going 45mph in a 65mph zone, I think you're a hazard. =p

If anyone is going so fast that they can't see the road conditions ahead, and react to hazards in the road, then they are going too fast for conditions. Again, I agree. However, sometimes there are circumstances where you'll be unable to see thing until they're right under you. Like hitting pooled water in the downward slope of the apex of a curve.

I also keep good tires on my vehicles, so I know how likely I am to hydroplane, or not. THIS is what I imagine the driver is guilty of.

Bottom line: It is the drivers fault. I'm glad they didn't hurt themselves or anyone else. Totally agree.

Check the bolded areas, if you care.

For the record, I totally agree with most of what you guys are saying, other than that the guy is clearly an idiot yada yada yada. We know nothing about this situation other than that a guy hit some water.

I didn't know you were such an expert on OTHER people's driving habits that you could make such a claim. Haha, I see you're grasping, so I'll ignore this. You're right, my statistics are possibly off by a percentage or 98.

Whenever rain is involved, I drop my speed 10-15mph below the limit and let all the wreckless ones pass me by. Funny thing is I've seen some of those same wreckless ones get in a wreck miles down the road and all I can do is laugh at their stupidity as I drive by. I'm sure you do, I'm sure you do. You've also never made a turn without your signal or broken the speed limit. Well done.

Out of curiosity, where do you live? You'd get incredible gas mileage with your driving habits if you lived in the Seattle area.

 

[white_n_slow]

Lucky he didn't end up on his lid or getting t-boned by the car following. I wasn't so lucky

And as for all the Haterade in this thread... shit does happen and although going slow may decrease the chances of an accident (and definitely hydroplaning), there is nothing a driver can do to completely eliminate the possibility of loosing control except stay home. When I rolled my Runner I was going 15 under and driving as carefully as I felt the conditions warranted (I have driven professionally, live in the mountains, drive to work in blizzards, yadda yadda). You can't see everything coming, and you can't predict what's around the next bend just by the weather.

On a lighter note, that video should be added to the 255 vs 285 tires thread

 

[papapoopski]

Funny thing is I've seen some of those same wreckless ones get in a wreck miles down the road and all I can do is laugh at their stupidity as I drive by.

If you can't tell by now, I have no sympathy for those who create their own misfortunes and this knucklehead certainly did just that.

Have you ever been in a accident?

 

[02SE]

How can you tell it's a rain storm?

Because I'm not blind, and I was paying attention to the video.

Lets see: Wet roads, water falling from the sky, cars with their headlights and wipers on. I'm going to say it was raining.

So again, they were driving too fast for the conditions, and/or not paying attention to the road ahead. Maybe they're engrossed in a phone conversation, and barely aware that they are piloting a 2-ton SUV down the highway in inclement weather conditions?

It doesn't matter, the driver failed to maintain control of their vehicle due to their own negligence.

Edit. Also notice the damaged hood deflector, before they hit the puddle. It seems their poor driving habits are nothing new.

 

[segafan1989]

Shit does happen, I'll agree to that. However, when you create the shit because you drive like a moron...your a moron. Just own it and move on.

 

[SweetWaterSurprise]

Hmm, can't say I thought the thread would go in this direction.