How many guys are still on original transmission fluid? Come on in!

I don't recall ever changing/flushing the transmission fluid in my 2008 v6 with 135K miles... didn't think it was necessary, never towed. The mechanics never mentioned it to me either. I don't even think I've done coolant flush either, which probably should do that next.
 
Hi guys,

I’ve spent the last hour reading posts on this forum about transmission fluid changes.

According to Toyota (apparently), our cars come with sealed transmissions with something called “lifetime” fluid. Of course, given that the transmission is a mechanical piece with parts that move against each other, it will surely create some amount of contaminants and debris over time. As a result, some absolutely swear by either draining + filling or by having the transmission fully flushed. The drain + fill will only allow you to get about 3-4qts of fresh fluid in there when of course the transmission holds much more than that, so this procedure is typically done several times to dilute further.

I find it odd that Toyota says to not do change fluid (of course they will do it if you request it), and I’ve been on the fence since I bought this car last year with 117K.

I’m wondering how many of you guys are still on your original transmission fluid? I’ll go first:

2006 4Runner V6, 125K miles, original transmission fluid.



Well my 2007 Sport with 183,000 miles bit it this week. A business trip took me to Syracuse NY this week and when I got here she started having trouble getting out of first. The local Toyota dealership asked why I hadn't performed a flush - and gave me two options - drain and hand pump fluid in ($700) or replace the transmission ($2,300). Since I am three hours from home - I opted for option #2. Sitting in a local bar killing time


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I don't even think I've done coolant flush either, which probably should do that next.

drain and fill is easiest way. I do it ever 30k. I just buy a gallon of coolant, $2 bucket at walmart and a funnel. takes 15mins


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Well my 2007 Sport with 183,000 miles bit it this week. A business trip took me to Syracuse NY this week and when I got here she started having trouble getting out of first. The local Toyota dealership asked why I hadn't performed a flush - and gave me two options - drain and hand pump fluid in ($700) or replace the transmission ($2,300). Since I am three hours from home - I opted for option #2. Sitting in a local bar killing time

bummer. do you tow, drive crazy or anything that would cause the transmission to fail?
 
Arg. I did already purchase a new filter&gasket but really don't want to do the pan drop and filter change because of all the horror stories about broken pan bolts AND the fact that I have to move the exhaust out of the way which has rusty old bolts that I know are going to break on me. Trying to convince myself that a couple simple drain and fills will be okay, since I have the dipstick. Fluid in there is still fairly red.

I've done the filter change on a 2000 4runner and a 2004 Sienna and it was easy peazy other than getting all the old gasket material off. But I know with my luck I'm going to run into a bunch of broken bolts and shit and I'm not prepared to deal with that haha

It's a b!otch for sure, but a necessary evil. Just watch torquing the bolts back. I'm camping and can't remember the in-lbs but it's not very much. I used Blaster in all the exhaust bolts for days before I attempted it. In the end some of my exhaust nuts/bolts were chewed up but they all fixed up with a tap and die. And it's done.


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Here's all the torque specs for the 5 speed transmission albeit the sealed transmission, but the pans bolts are most likely the same on the non-sealed transmission.

This will also help others that may choose to drop the pan on the sealed transmission.

http://4runnerclub.com/i/4r_files/f...07toyrm/07toypdf/07rmsour/4runnerr/003020.pdf
 
Hey guys. 2008 V8 here with 98K and I've done the drain/refill 3 times with the Toyota WS fluid. I'm curious if anyone has used an additive called Lubegard red in the trans. I work for a BMW shop and we use Lubegard for every trans service. Just wonder if it's worth while on the 4Runner. I know Toyota related fluids can be picky and I don't want to mess anything up!

LUBEGARD Automatic Transmission Fluid Protectant
 
Hey guys. 2008 V8 here with 98K and I've done the drain/refill 3 times with the Toyota WS fluid. I'm curious if anyone has used an additive called Lubegard red in the trans. I work for a BMW shop and we use Lubegard for every trans service. Just wonder if it's worth while on the 4Runner. I know Toyota related fluids can be picky and I don't want to mess anything up!

LUBEGARD Automatic Transmission Fluid Protectant

I have not heard or read of anyone using it, but many have and still use the Lubeguard Instant Shutter Fixx with great results and no issues I that I have read about.

I read on the LubeGuard site that they say many manufacturers endorse the LubeGuard Red, but didn't show a list of those manufacturers that I could find, you would think they would provide such a list as a selling point!!

I would love to know as well if it would be OK to add it to our transmissions, if only for the stated "fact" that it reduces the transmission fluid temperature, which as most should know is that high fluid temperature is the major killer of auto transmissions!!
 
drain and fill is easiest way. I do it ever 30k. I just buy a gallon of coolant, $2 bucket at walmart and a funnel. takes 15mins









bummer. do you tow, drive crazy or anything that would cause the transmission to fail?



No towing. Drive a ton of highway miles. I stay on top of all the maintenance. The dealership still has my truck. After putting it back together yesterday they couldn't get it started.


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It seems to me that people are bragging on high mileage tranny fluid like it's a good thing. Which it's not. This isn't like bragging on how well your high mileage T4R is still running. This is bragging about neglecting basic maintenance.

As said before, there's no such thing as 'lifetime' tranny fluid. It's a marketing schpiel. It might get you 100k, but you want to at least do a drain and fill pretty regularly.
 
140k original owner of 2008 never changed. I am finally going to change it out tomorrow. I called a ma/pa Toyota/Lexus specialty shop and they wanted $350and said they use transmission coolers and its all 'very scientific' for their changes. they need the car a full day and not open on Saturdays to help with my work schedule. I called the Toyota dealership since they can give me a ride to work and I have a 25% off coupon. They only want $130 for drain/fill and will verify transmission temp is correct. does that price sound right? sounds pretty low from what others have said.
 
140k original owner of 2008 never changed. I am finally going to change it out tomorrow. I called a ma/pa Toyota/Lexus specialty shop and they wanted $350and said they use transmission coolers and its all 'very scientific' for their changes. they need the car a full day and not open on Saturdays to help with my work schedule. I called the Toyota dealership since they can give me a ride to work and I have a 25% off coupon. They only want $130 for drain/fill and will verify transmission temp is correct. does that price sound right? sounds pretty low from what others have said.

$350 for a full 12-15qt exchange vs $130 for ~4qt drain and fill? It's 2 different services, thus the discrepancy. There's another thread on here of what you should expect to be charged if you look for it.

I'd go get a $17 4 qt jug of Maxlife ATF and D/F on my own, but that's me.
 
$350 for a full 12-15qt exchange vs $130 for ~4qt drain and fill? It's 2 different services, thus the discrepancy. There's another thread on here of what you should expect to be charged if you look for it.

I'd go get a $17 4 qt jug of Maxlife ATF and D/F on my own, but that's me.

the $350 was a drain fill as well. Toyota dealership says its a full drain/fill all new fluid. I asked them multiple times to confirm. he said depending on the fluid and how bad it is they may do a flush.

I have done all of the other maintenance on my car since its not an exact science basically empty and fill. I was going to try and tackle this one myself and have read all the diy's but got nervous about getting the right amount and not over/under filling.
 
Toyota dealership says its a full drain/fill all new fluid. I asked them multiple times to confirm.

I'd ask how many quarts that entails. Dealership lingo will get you into trouble. If its 12-15 qts, then you know they'll be refreshing all of the ATF. If its roughly 4 qts, then its not a "full" drain and fill, its a "simple" drain and fill.

If it is all 12 qts, $130 + 25% off coupon for WS and labor is a good deal.
 
I'd ask how many quarts that entails. Dealership lingo will get you into trouble. If its 12-15 qts, then you know they'll be refreshing all of the ATF. If its roughly 4 qts, then its not a "full" drain and fill, its a "simple" drain and fill.

If it is all 12 qts, $130 + 25% off coupon for WS and labor is a good deal.

you were right. the $130 was a simple drain to get "75%" of the fluid. I told him I want 100% new so $320-25% discount.
 
It seems to me that people are bragging on high mileage tranny fluid like it's a good thing. Which it's not. This isn't like bragging on how well your high mileage T4R is still running. This is bragging about neglecting basic maintenance.

As said before, there's no such thing as 'lifetime' tranny fluid. It's a marketing schpiel. It might get you 100k, but you want to at least do a drain and fill pretty regularly.

Funny the places experience leads. One year ago I would have agreed with this statement completely and still can not fault it on concept. Regular and proper maintance on is a good thing. However, below is a summary of my experience with my 04 SE V8. You may find my experience interesting.

I bought the vehicle in 2014 from the second owner with about 155k in excellent condition. I believe it was a freeway commuter most all it's life. It was a divorce sale car with a 60k (other than quicky-lubie type place oil changes) gap in service records.
Howver, the vehicle has been in harsh Colorado conditions for many years. From the hitch condition and the fact that the trailer brake pig-tail was in the glove box in orginal unopened condition it was a reasonable assumption it never towed much if anything. I drag a 3k trailer in the summer months up and down passes at altitudes ranging from about 7k to 11k feet. Suficant to challenge the condition and maintenance of an automatic transmission.
I was leary of touching the fluid at such high mileage. After doing as much research as I could tolerate (both here and the Tacoma and Tundra sites) I concluded two things. I should do something soon (which I new but did not want to admit). The other was that Toyota Motor Company seemed to recommend multiple drains and fills rather than any type of flush (there is a factory procedure for drain and fill I've yet to come across one for a flush).
A note here. I was not optimistic at this point. But told myself the vehicle's transmission functioned near flawlessly and if I would like any chance to keep it that way I'd better do something soon. My concern over touching an untouched tranny at such "high mileage" even lead me to price a factory rebuilt unit. Most Toyota parts department had them at a reduced price of under 3k at the time. I figured that and about 30+ hours was my worst case situation.
I was careful and kept everything as clean as possible and things worked out well. If one follows proceedure and avoids obvious pitfalls and shortcuts it should go well.
As far as checking the fluid level my feeling is if you can't follow the instructions for the factory suggested meathod and entering your vehicle's software into the temperature check mode you most likely should not open the hood let alone get near any piece of machinery with a wrench let alone a vehicle that is going to be on public highways. There is a lot of fear mongering here not completely unfounded. I think when you start shoving jumper wires across computer terminals you best be certain they be the correct terminals.
Back to the condition of my fluid.
I know if was the orginal fluid, or at least not changed since about 2006, to the fact that it had the "purple tinge" to it. My research here indicates Toyota changed the dye used in WS fluid along with a slight re formulation sometime in 2006.
It did not pull the pan as there was virtually no residual or sludge that drained with the fluid. Zero signs of any burning, overheating, no specs or particles of anything. I repeat none.
I took four drain and fills to get the fluid to an appearance of apparent clearity to please me enough to call it enough. I used the droplets onto white paper here. I needed 14 or fifteen quarts to complete the job as recall. 2 new or spotless transfer pumps on hand is advised
My take is that if one has basic shop skills, follows carefully correct proceedure, realizizes they are working in compromised at best conditions (rather than a properly equipped shop) and take extra time required by the restrictions of this comprise then you should have no dire issues. I'm assuming one has the mental capacity and good enough judgement to read through the many post on the subject and distinguish between information and mis-information. And be aware of why proper proceedure is critical and and methods employing questionable shortcuts or "iffy" thinking while they might perhaps well get you by in the world of bravado and rhetoric they will in the long run at one point or another lead to premature failure when applied to the hard reality of machinery
maintenance and repair.
 
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I've been reading a lot lately pertaining to this topic. I'm just hitting 115k miles on my 2007. It's never been used for towing. I've always serviced and maintained everything on this vehicle. The one thing that's untouched is the tranny fluid. I recently flushed everything else. But had been debating on doing the ATF. The more I read, the more I think I'm leaning towards doing it now.....


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My 4Runner was at 129k miles and I bought it at 95k. I'm assuming the fluid was never flushed but who knows. I just flushed mine before a 3k mile trip using the cooler lines method. Towed 5k lbs across country while monitoring the temps. They were outstanding and shifts were perfect. Before I flushed it I did a long trip and had high temps without a load. Definitely recommend replacing your fluid regularly to extend the service life of your transmission. It should be a no-brainer regular maintenance task. I'm gonna do them every 40k from here on out.

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Transmission flui service

Have 102k miles and contacted 6 dealerships to see what they recommend. Two of them recommended drain and fill only. My local mechanic said he does two or three consecutive drain and fills and calls it a flush. It was also common knowledge for him on how to check the level properly using Toyota methods. Great information on this thread. Having back to back drain and fills done for $185.
2007 4runner sport v6. Bone stock.
 
I have been reading this tread and others and have been going back and forth between drain and fill and full flush. Finally decided to do a full machine flush at a trusted local shop ($200). Truck was at 158k and was on the original fluid. Fluid was pretty dark but not completely black. I have driven over 2000 miles now and everything runs great. No issues with the transmission. Glad I did the flush, it should be good for a couple of years now.
 
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115k on my 07 v6. I was getting parts from the dealer the other day and asked about the tranny flush. He said if I had them do it I'd be paying more for WS fluid than labor.


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