How not to off-road

[poof1887]

Just by chance, should these individuals happen to come to this post, and for those that are unaware and are new to the sport, please research offroad etiquette. There are many great site with info on proper use and care for land use.



"Tread Lightly" has been a term and a had meaning for a long time. Because of the lack of this, we have almost lost the Rubicon. We have lost many other great trails. Some people are going to be disrespectful mo matter what, but please, don't you be one of them.



Let this be a starting point for your education.Tread Lightly

What a simple and effective way to put it. As I hopefully get more into off-roading, this phrase will definitely stick with me


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[STX4Runner]

They responded to my comment on YouTube saying I was being judgmental and they didn't leave the trail. LOL. My comment said they were the reason trails get closed and they should have just bumped up the ledge, not driven over plants and fragile soil. I'm not trying to shame (that bad) them, just wanted to call them out and hopefully they won't do it again. I agree with @wf09 and [MENTION=124732]LawnDart[/MENTION] name calling is not helpful and they'll just get embarrassed and defensive. Hopefully this dies down and they learned their lesson.

But I give up. All our trails will eventually close and there's no hope. There's just too many people these days and a certain portion are just not able to understand how to act.

 

[T4 Leaf]

They responded to my comment on YouTube saying I was being judgmental and they didn't leave the trail. LOL. My comment said they were the reason trails get closed and they should have just bumped up the ledge, not driven over plants and fragile soil. I'm not trying to shame (that bad) them, just wanted to call them out and hopefully they won't do it again. I agree with @wf09 and [MENTION=124732]LawnDart[/MENTION] name calling is not helpful and they'll just get embarrassed and defensive. Hopefully this dies down and they learned their lesson.

But I give up. All our trails will eventually close and there's no hope. There's just too many people these days and a certain portion are just not able to understand how to act.

There is always hope, do not lose faith...hope remains while company is true...hope is good thing...maybe the best of things (any more movies I can shove in here?)

 

[Veet Skeet]

Instagram celebrities for the win! A wrap, fancy suspension, tons of Maxtrax and other decorations on the roof rack and some metal bumpers immediately means they know how to off-road and everything about overlanding. Not.

 

[e60ral]

Is it necessary to hang an arm out the window while "wheeling" or "overloading"? Serious question, I'm new to this.

You need to stick your head out sometimes to check tires, but keep arms and legs inside for safety

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[RedSled]

For the most part people are getting to were they have no integrity. I mean just look at the simple stuff like throwing trash down, or out the car window, and the one that really get's to me folks can't pick up there own dog crap, hey if you can not pick up after your dog, then you do not deserve to have one. I went to a local park the other day to walk my dog Cosmo, and the gate guy said no dogs allowed, guess why? I do not blame the park i see it every day i am out walking, and yes i am one of those old farts that call people out on it. And these people are the first to complain about off road closures, and why can't i have my dog here. Freakin dumb ass'es.

 

[Rightside Up]

I missed the video.

 

[04rnr]

So much camo and douchebags. 'MERICA!

whats this "MERICA" crap?

 

[e60ral]

I missed the video.

Didn't miss much, just tacticool bros in shemaghs talking about some gear and not actually giving any real tips for how to drive offroad

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[JSparky]

Is it necessary to hang an arm out the window while "wheeling" or "overloading"? Serious question, I'm new to this.

Older Rovers, Cruisers, and Jeeps where narrower, often with lower windows, so it’s often more comfortable for us bigger guys to spread out. On newer rigs it’s really a stretch to get your arm out there and usually not needed as often as the vehicles are more spacious now.

Now, it is in the owners manual that Rover guys must wheel with their shirts off.. couldn’t explain that one .

 

[LawnDart]

I missed the video.

Sure would be a shame if someone...saved the video...this morning.

 

[Diablo6]

Sure would be a shame if someone...saved the video...this morning.

:hail: A few of us missed it!

 

[ElectroBoy]

I missed it too.
Did anyone save the video to repost?

 

[sandcrawler]

all. that. camo.

 

[WaldoJPL]

...Wow!.....you just described about 99% of all social-media?!....:drum:

 

[JSparky]

Looked up the regs for the Sand Flats area just to see, anybody know specifically what trail he was on?

 

[sandcrawler]

I will say that the whole 'tacticool' field trying to cash in on the overlanding craze is just...the worst.

This is what makes me a bit embarrassed to drive a 5th gen these days. These "how to offroad" with a wrap and RTT videos did not exist before the IG over landing XO craze...

The thing that struck me most here is.... I'm not going to air down my tires (because that would take time).. instead I'll just drive over the small bits of what is not rock and destroy it instead. Oh yea, and post it as a how to off-road video.

Someone in the offroad industry lamented to me that "The 5th Gen is the new JKU...that's not a compliment..."

this saddens me

 

[LawnDart]

this saddens me

I don't want to pontificate because I don't want to be seen as the dude leading the crowd with pitchforks and torches. So I'll keep this brief. The internet is awesome, it's also horrible, super duper friggin horrible. Specifically it allows us to dump a ton of information on the internet without context. The reason we have teachers is because they provide information in context for us to learn.

The problem with the internet is that without vetting or context, everyone is in a rush to just PRODUCE information without figuring out if it's either good information, or presented in a proper manner. The cool thing about places like Moab is that every single trail has at least a half dozen 1:1 recorded videos showing every single turn, drop, ledge, etc, allowing you to know what you're getting into before you go. I remember watching the video for Moab Rim about 30 minutes before I was gonna go, and said, "yeah nope, I'll ride along with someone else, not gonna risk my vehicle on that one."

In the larger context, we have access to SOOOO much information, great trail data, geotagged photos of campsites, and people now can find out about that information and go to those spots. It used to be that you'd only find the best spots from word of mouth, and those people giving out the information would be the gate keepers of those areas. Obviously, you can say that's elitist, and free range information is the great equalizer. The push/pull of living in the modern digital era is there's no gate keepers anymore. Anyone can go pretty much anywhere. And it's up to us as a community to evaluate information and say "nah brah, don't go where he's going and doing what he's doing, that's dumb." Unfortunately for everyone in this thread saying "that was dumb of them to do," there's 1000x more people out there who watched it who will think "oh he did that I can do that too."

I don't have a good answer for the problem. I'm glad more people can see these places, but more people doing dumb stuff eventually prevents EVERYONE from having access. Moab is a truly magical place. Divorce yourself from the wheeling aspect, and realize you're sitting in what was once part of the ocean, then a massive lake, and now is like the Dr Seuss' playground of geological mystery. There's stuff there that's mindboggling weird, forged by time, erosion, and pure persistence of nature...that we get to friggin DRIVE ON!

The same goes for places like the San Juan mountains. Trust me, Black Bear Pass is a puss ycat of a trail if you don't drive like a goober, but the new money of seasonal home owners in Telluride despise motorized vehicles on what IS a jeep trail, and if they could close it down to anything but foot traffic...by god they would.

We have to be good shepherds on these trails, we truly do.

 

[sandcrawler]

I don't want to pontificate because I don't want to be seen as the dude leading the crowd with pitchforks and torches. So I'll keep this brief. The internet is awesome, it's also horrible, super duper friggin horrible. Specifically it allows us to dump a ton of information on the internet without context. The reason we have teachers is because they provide information in context for us to learn.

The problem with the internet is that without vetting or context, everyone is in a rush to just PRODUCE information without figuring out if it's either good information, or presented in a proper manner. The cool thing about places like Moab is that every single trail has at least a half dozen 1:1 recorded videos showing every single turn, drop, ledge, etc, allowing you to know what you're getting into before you go. I remember watching the video for Moab Rim about 30 minutes before I was gonna go, and said, "yeah nope, I'll ride along with someone else, not gonna risk my vehicle on that one."

In the larger context, we have access to SOOOO much information, great trail data, geotagged photos of campsites, and people now can find out about that information and go to those spots. It used to be that you'd only find the best spots from word of mouth, and those people giving out the information would be the gate keepers of those areas. Obviously, you can say that's elitist, and free range information is the great equalizer. The push/pull of living in the modern digital era is there's no gate keepers anymore. Anyone can go pretty much anywhere. And it's up to us as a community to evaluate information and say "nah brah, don't go where he's going and doing what he's doing, that's dumb." Unfortunately for everyone in this thread saying "that was dumb of them to do," there's 1000x more people out there who watched it who will think "oh he did that I can do that too."

I don't have a good answer for the problem. I'm glad more people can see these places, but more people doing dumb stuff eventually prevents EVERYONE from having access. Moab is a truly magical place. Divorce yourself from the wheeling aspect, and realize you're sitting in what was once part of the ocean, then a massive lake, and now is like the Dr Seuss' playground of geological mystery. There's stuff there that's mindboggling weird, forged by time, erosion, and pure persistence of nature...that we get to friggin DRIVE ON!

The same goes for places like the San Juan mountains. Trust me, Black Bear Pass is a puss ycat of a trail if you don't drive like a goober, but the new money of seasonal home owners in Telluride despise motorized vehicles on what IS a jeep trail, and if they could close it down to anything but foot traffic...by god they would.

We have to be good shepherds on these trails, we truly do.

well said.

this how i put it to a friend recently: "the Internet is still awesome; it's social media that sucks.”

 

[jrandom]

geesuz the internet, once a wonderful information based system has just become for the most part a big g-ddamn shopping cart.