Icon, Fox, or King?

So are you running 2.5's in the rear also? I know that with Kings they want you to stick around the 2.5" mark. Does Fox say the same? Out of curiosity I went and looked at the Fox suspension. It appears that you are running the shocks with DSC. You satisfied with the ride adjustability?

Out of the 4 discussed here I feel like Kings and Fox may edge out the others as far as quality. Every Mountain bike or bike shock I have seen has been Fox and my bike has them. I know Kings also come in very highly recommended.

I'm looking for 3" total but I don't want my ride to turn to sh** either as I also value well mannered on-road behavior.

I can't remember if one of them lined up with existing holes or if I had to drill both. They both used self-tapping bolts, so there were no nuts or existing threaded holes either way. The passenger side went on easier, since there was no KDSS stuff in the way.

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I've been contemplating Kings or the OME-BP51's but the Fox setup is intriguing it's just hard to find information on them especially when it comes to the 4-Runner.

I'm was leaning towards the OME setup because you can adjust compression and rebound separately however there is no official kit for the 4-Runner with KDSS so it's a crap shoot when it comes to reservoir brackets.

Looks like the Fox setup requires welding to get the brackets on? Wish we had a more comprehensive guide between the Kings, Fox, BP-51 and Icons.

Kings seem to have the kit finalized where everything should bolt up as well but I am not a fan of the stock colors so it's an extra $600 to get the color you want (which is an awesome option if you have cash just laying around).

And Icon seems to have a large chunk of the 4R market but I'm not really interested in them.

You're probably thinking about the left radiator support bracket that needs to be modified or removed to clear the sway bar with the Fox kit.
 

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their build quality, materials and overall design is inferior to King and Fox, who are obviously the leaders in the market.

the race pedigree means a lot more to me than Icon's previous namesake, Donahoe - who went under because of shitty quality and customer service, before they had to reorganize themselves as Icon.

its more than preference or opinion, its just a fact of the matter that Icon's market they sell to is bro's with affliction T-shirts and white oakleys, where King and Fox market to race teams that beat the shit out of their stuff.

im not knocking icon, their stuff is better built and more durable than my low end bilsteins 5100s - but they're not race material. if having race proven durability doesnt matter to you, then don't spend the extra 200 bucks for King or Fox


they went under because Donahue went to prison.
 
So this appears to be the part #'s for the Fox setup if you want dual speed compression. It doesn't really let me call out KDSS vs non so to what was stated earlier the bracketry for the remote-resi is the same.
 

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This is where im at fox or king? with TC long travel kit

I feel like from my research king did more homework when it came to tuning our trucks and their system.
 
I had the same problem when deciding on my suspension. I chose Fox because of my experience with their Mountain Biking gear and my neighbor has it on his Jeep which rode pretty smooth.
 
So here's a dumb question... If I drive 90% highway and just want to be a dick & hop the occasional curb bomb down a wash board dirt road, am I in the wrong thread?

From what I gather, the Icon option just enough overkill to reduce failure to zero with what i'll do with it. No multi week overland/ rock crawling excursions yet... kids and a time demanding job won't allow for much fun. That said, some rough Vermont dirt roads during the spring ski season might be fun to mess around on.

I don't need post a apocalyptic Zombie crushing Bat Mobile, just decent road performance (no nose dive) and the durability to channel my inner bro and be a dick every now and then.
 
So here's a dumb question... If I drive 90% highway and just want to be a dick & hop the occasional curb bomb down a wash board dirt road, am I in the wrong thread?

From what I gather, the Icon option just enough overkill to reduce failure to zero with what i'll do with it. No multi week overland/ rock crawling excursions yet... kids and a time demanding job won't allow for much fun. That said, some rough Vermont dirt roads during the spring ski season might be fun to mess around on.

I don't need post a apocalyptic Zombie crushing Bat Mobile, just decent road performance (no nose dive) and the durability to channel my inner bro and be a dick every now and then.

Bilstein 6112/5160 or OME and call it a day.
 
Bilstein 6112/5160 or OME and call it a day.

Normally, I would get what I need and call it a day, however i've read too many posts where the bilstein's leak after a few months of highway.

Can anyone comment on the road manners of an icon stage one?
 
Normally, I would get what I need and call it a day, however i've read too many posts where the bilstein's leak after a few months of highway.

Can anyone comment on the road manners of an icon stage one?

I've had my Bilstein combo for over 25k miles of mainly trail/trip miles with no leaks. I'm also running full expedition load with full skids, armor, and RTT so I'm pretty sure they've been through the ringer. Keep in mind the 5160 rears are rated for 2" lift max. I recall only a small handful of owners reporting leaks and they're running 3" rear lift springs. The only reason I'm ditching mine is because of the extra weight. It's much easier to revalve and respring coilovers.

Because of their valving Icons will all run stiffer than stock around town and loosen up on the high speed stuff.
 
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Fox has been good to me

It would be hard to go wrong with any of the three stated in previous posts. King, Icon and Fox are awesome and work well with our application. I chose Fox 2.5 with DCS resi. I use three setting for dampening and speed. One for dirt roads with wash board, You can "speed up" the dynamics of the shock. Street setting, everything turned down then two clicks up on the blue knob to control roll. These settings can be play with to your liking, comfort etc. And last and least is super slow for crawling which I very rarely do. All of these settings are nice to have but honestly, I don't use them as much as it sounds. It just means I need to wheel a bit more. In the rears I am using OME 1.5" HD springs. They support the rear when loaded with trailers, steel targets, etc.
1. Budget (with in your means or just above...)
2. Function to fit your needs (Do I need adjustable coilovers and dampening?)
2. Brand loyalty (what you are hearing on the boards)

Fox told me that the ride was stiff. I disagree. They ride softer than pre loaded spacer lifts. The only thing I would suggest in your selection is extra travel. It is nice to have. I would love long travel but have zero use for it as a daily driver. You will be pumped with all three options.
 
I've had my Bilstein combo for over 25k miles of mainly trail/trip miles with no leaks. I'm also running full expedition load with full skids, armor, and RTT so I'm pretty sure they've been through the ringer. Keep in mind the 5160 rears are rated for 2" lift max. I recall only a small handful of owners reporting leaks and they're running 3" rear lift springs. The only reason I'm ditching mine is because of the extra weight. It's much easier to revalve and respring coilovers.

Because of their valving Icons will all run stiffer than stock around town and loosen up on the high speed stuff.

Ok, my plan is a lift and level, 3" in the front. Even with loosening at high speeds, will the icon's still be stiffer than a stock sr5?

Not looking to burn money, but my Grandfather always said, "better to have and not need, than need and not have."


He also put ketchup on everything; even his soup. Grandpa could have been bat shit crazy... I don't know, I was only a kid.
 
It would be hard to go wrong with any of the three stated in previous posts. King, Icon and Fox are awesome and work well with our application. I chose Fox 2.5 with DCS resi. I use three setting for dampening and speed. One for dirt roads with wash board, You can "speed up" the dynamics of the shock. Street setting, everything turned down then two clicks up on the blue knob to control roll. These settings can be play with to your liking, comfort etc. And last and least is super slow for crawling which I very rarely do. All of these settings are nice to have but honestly, I don't use them as much as it sounds. It just means I need to wheel a bit more. In the rears I am using OME 1.5" HD springs. They support the rear when loaded with trailers, steel targets, etc.
1. Budget (with in your means or just above...)
2. Function to fit your needs (Do I need adjustable coilovers and dampening?)
2. Brand loyalty (what you are hearing on the boards)

Fox told me that the ride was stiff. I disagree. They ride softer than pre loaded spacer lifts. The only thing I would suggest in your selection is extra travel. It is nice to have. I would love long travel but have zero use for it as a daily driver. You will be pumped with all three options.


Two questions,

1. Do you have a TE with KDSS?

2. Do you mind sharing with me your configurations for the three applications you listed?
 
DL, I am a long time follower.

Two questions,

1. Do you have a TE with KDSS?

2. Do you mind sharing with me your configurations for the three applications you listed?

Soooooo, this is kind of funny. (to me). I would be happy to share my dims and specs. I have a limited no KDSS. The funny part is that I have a 4th gen. I jumped on the wagon from the tool bar on the right side of the screen, not reading for what generation of 4Runner. My specs could be different than what you are applying it to. But in generality, I think people will get the right idea.
-little gold knob slows or speeds body roll control
turning this knob possitive or tighter slows the yawl or roll typically felt in the ass end when coming out of the apex of a turn. The tighter or more positive this is set, the tighter the truck feels around corners. On the dirt this can have a couple effects. The tighter you have this setting the more feed back you will feel. I prefer this to have a more negative setting on dry dirt allowing the suspension to do more of the work than my steering.

-blue knob slows or speeds rate of dampening.
(anyone feel free to apply correction)
This was confusing to me at first. It took a couple of calls to Fox to wrap this around my head.
By turning the blue knob positively, speeds up the rate of the shock rebounding. Turning it to the negative slows the rate. Turning this knob positively would be good for washboard, whoops, fast ruts, pretty much your average dirt road in the country side. Turning this knob down slows the rate that the shock is traveling. Big slow-bonks, load outs, rock crawling.

I tuned mine the way RPG (raptor group) tunes their suspension. (this isn't the only way or neccisarily the right way) I started by turning every thing negative or down. I went out and rallied it fairly hard in some what mixed conditions. Then I did the opposite settings turning everything up to see the difference. Turned all the way up was a super stiff, chattery, with a lot of feed back ride. Then I turned down the blue knob one click from the bottom and the gold knob two clicks from the bottom which is what I daily pavement drive.

Everyones ride will be a little different due to weight and rear springs etc. The nice thing is that it is pretty adjustable for anyones liking.

-If you don't like to adjust steer clear
-If you are looking for everyday driver with the ability to go to both extremes Fox, Icon, King would be great options.

There are a bunch of kits on the market that will fit every budget with reputable results.
I didn't get a whole lot of good information from the Fox guys. I think this hurts the Toyota application. I read on this forum that "one guy" talked to a Fox rep at t a trade show and was not impressed. So his recommendation was to steer clear. Fox is better than that.
To be really honest, I originally chose Fox because of its application with the Raptor prototypes then came to market. They also fit my budget better than a stage six Icon project. I got the Icon UCAs I wanted with a very dynamic suspension that had enough adjustments to suit my needs. It also had the shock body size that I wanted front and back and shaft size I wanted (no comments, what ever, go ahead)

Does any of this make sense?
 
This is where im at fox or king? with TC long travel kit

I feel like from my research king did more homework when it came to tuning our trucks and their system.

Fox and King have specs for the total chaos kit. I'd start there. My Tacoma was total chaos long traveled and I used fox with total chaos specs on my Coilover and triple bypass. Worked great.
 

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