If gas gets to $5.00 a gallon

[josh220]

Hmm, it's 'round 7-8 per gallon over here... I don't see why you should be complainin...

Ouch, but ours will be there before you know it. All in due time.

 

[Neversummer]

Very interesting thread.

Vespa GTS250!

60mpg and I get to wear some Doc Martens

 

[Ulfr]

I don't really see the point in hydrogen fuel, as it takes so much more power to produce it than it can give...

Well, 20 years left of the fossil oil, I'm not so sure, does anyone remember the exact same words 10 years ago? I do, and so does my father, more than 20 years ago...

Then there is Biodisel... (I run on biodiesel FYI, and run it quite good)

 

[r32]

Out of curiosity, I found out how many oil refineries exist in the US. There are way more than I initially thought!

AL = 3
AR = 3
CA = 23
CO = 2
DE = 1
GA = 2
HI = 2
IL = 6
IN = 2
KS = 3
KY = 2
LA = 17
MI = 2
MN = 2
MS = 4
MT = 4
ND = 1
NJ = 6
NM = 3
NV = 1
OH = 4
OK = 5
OR = 1
PA = 6
PR = 2
TN = 1
TX = 28
UT = 5
VA = 2
VI = 1
WA = 6
WI = 1
WV = 1
WY = 5

 

[r32]

By comparison...

There are a currently a total of 143 Ethanol BioRefineries in America

Total Current Capacity : 8,159.90 mgy

Total NEW BioRefineries under construction : 57

Total Expansions of exisiting BioRefineries : 7

Total Capacity once built/expanded : 5,246.00 mgy

Total Overall Capacity : 13,405.90 mgy

This info current as of March 4, 2008

Map of Refinery Locations : http://www.ethanolrfa.org/objects/documents/1494/plantmap_janaury_24.pdf

 

[biglatka]

I don't really see the point in hydrogen fuel, as it takes so much more power to produce it than it can give...




Well, 20 years left of the fossil oil, I'm not so sure, does anyone remember the exact same words 10 years ago? I do, and so does my father, more than 20 years ago...


Then there is Biodisel... (I run on biodiesel FYI, and run it quite good)

Not if you use geothermal energy to convert water into hydrogen & oxygen gas as you do in your country. Alternatively, solar and/or wind energy, even nuclear, could be used for the conversion.

Oil is finite, that's for sure and it will run out whether it's going to be twenty or forty years from now, especially with China and India coming on board so rapidly. It's too valuable a resource to send up in smoke anyway.


Biodiesel and/or ethanol are not viable alternatives as their increased use would, and does, drive up the cost of grains and food proportionally, thus shifting much of the increased costs of fuel to those least able to afford it. Besides, there is not enough arable land to meaningfully sustain these alternative fuels anyway.

 

[K_Labs]

Can u run on propane? It's supposed to be higher octane than u can get at the pump

 

[4Runnin Eddie]

Get a Sniper to take out Hugo Chavez:awais:

 

[Even Steven]

[/COLOR] Oil is finite, that's for sure and it will run out whether it's going to be twenty or forty years from now, especially with China and India coming on board so rapidly. It's too valuable a resource to send up in smoke anyway.

I remember reading an article quite a few years ago in school about the world's oil supply. They estimated that there were about 100 years of oil left, adjusted for increased consumption at the past rate.

Since then, there have been many huge oil fields discovered by advanced technology. That's why I think the world has much more than 100 years worth of oil left, even with China and India's increased consumption.

Besides, the world will never run out of oil for one simple reason--as the supply does dwindle down in a hundred or two hundred years from now, oil will become so expensive that it will be almost unobtainable for the average person to afford. Besides, by the time that happens, the only gasoline powered cars you'll see around are ancient classics owned by collectors.

 

[Uneek]

Out of curiosity, I found out how many oil refineries exist in the US. There are way more than I initially thought!
CA = 23
TX = 28

Having the second highest number of refineries doesn't do a d*mn thing for what we pay at the pump.

 

[SConnors]

A per capita number would be more effective. I'm guessing California has 1 or two more people than texas... Also, Texas is not CARB compliant.

 

[mtnet2000]

I Figured out a way to keep my 4runner and get 31 City MPG's!!!!!!



























Bought a Scion xB

 

[mtnet2000]

The money I'm going to save on gas is like having the xB for free

 

[RonMAIDEN]

Me too.

I'm getting right at 30 in the city and about 37 on the highway. I was actually surprised by the power to weight ratio which isn't too bad and the seats are more comfortable than the 4Runner's.

 

[seh750]

I get 55+ MPG

Probably ride this a lot more if gas keeps going up! But not giving up my 4Runner for winter and for towing.

 

[mtnet2000]

Ron Nice xB! How do you like it! I'm so surprised with this little 1.5l engine, it has some peppiness to it! The dealership told me that they've been selling the older xB like crazy because of it's fuel economy, of course I didn't believe him so I went to AutoTrader and Cars.com and in an area of 100miles there where only 99, and I'm talking the tri-state area of NY. And a lot of them where going for top dollar! But that would be predictable since fuel prices have no sign of going down

Nice bike! where is that picture taken?

 

[seh750]

Ron Nice xB! How do you like it! I'm so surprised with this little 1.5l engine, it has some peppiness to it! The dealership told me that they've been selling the older xB like crazy because of it's fuel economy, of course I didn't believe him so I went to AutoTrader and Cars.com and in an area of 100miles there where only 99, and I'm talking the tri-state area of NY. And a lot of them where going for top dollar! But that would be predictable since fuel prices have no sign of going down

Nice bike! where is that picture taken?

Bike is a 99 Triumph Sprint ST that I've had since new. Picture was taken at Lassen Volcanic National Park in California, NW of Lake Tahoe. Beautiful area.

 

[nyc4runnin]

I like how people chose the last option about keeping their 4r if gas gets to $5. Have fun paying $20,000 for gas a year lol.

estimating 18mpg you'd be driving 72,000 Miles a year !!!

 

[SciRunner]

Time to add my xB to the list. No major mods other than LED tail lights. I like the xB's front sport-bucket seats. Any of y'all members of Scionlife.com? I'm obviously SciRunner on there.

Lotus Box...no not my Lotus Esprit.

 

[TeryT]

It's my tow vehicle

so I will keep it. It's the only small V8 with the guts to pull it well, and still fit in my garage.

With that said, our 1999 manual transmission Altima gets 26 MPG around town and can get 32+ on the highway.

We have also rediscovered our bicycles for nearby errands - not sure how well that will work when it hits 105 degrees around here though! :bonk: