I'm a very happy person tonight!

That's a bit below the belt...

fish said:
Why? Did daddy run out of money?

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Thats a bit below the belt don't you think?

1. We don't choose our parents.
2. If we did choose our parents, 99.9% would choose the type of parents that handed things to them, even if it might be healthier and more responsible to earn it yourself/ start out with a shitty car.
3. You have no idea if she works hard at school (4.0 student? Scholarships?) and she actually deserves it, even if she didn't pay a dime.
4. You have no idea what their monetary situation is. If I had a couple million lying around I would most definitely buy my daughter a reliable new car, just to know she was safe and that she didn't have to every worry about car trouble when she was alone. And most importantly, her father probably works his ass off in order to give her what he can, and therefore he has ALL the right to give her great things... he EARNED that right... and noone can disrespect him for it.

So basically... that was uncalled for I think... some people are more fortunate, and others of us start out with cars from the decades of christmas past.

but... that's just my two cents.
 
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94yotarunner said:
Thats a bit below the belt don't you think?
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I suppose. And I apologize for my crass comment. I grew up in an environment where 16 year olds weren't handed the keys to brand new $35,000 trucks. I earned and paid for every vehicle I ever owned. Jealousy? Envy? Perhaps, but I just don't see how spoiling children teaches them how to be productive members of society. Maybe it's just me. I'll bow out of this thread now.
 
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waskillywabbit said:
:iagree: It is called work ethic. If my boys want to know now what they will be driving when they are old enough in 13 and 14 years, they can look at the pic 2 or 3 posts up. Maybe I'll be finished modding it by then and start on another one! :D

Giving a child, sorry, at 16 you are a child, a $35K automobile, however nice, warm and fuzzy it may be, is moronic IMO. Yeah, I want the best for my children, and yes I will spoil them, I already do, but that is overkill.

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But who are you to judge what action is "moronic?" :confused:

If the parents are able to provide that well for thier daughter, then let them. For all you know, the parents are both driving $100,000 dollar cars and giving her a $35k is just a drop in the bucket and doesn't affect them financially.

Let's all get off our soap boxes and just be happy we have another 4Runner member.

You old farts :arrow: ;):
 
my 2 cents

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I don't agree at all... what is overkill? For my father overkill was a cellphone at nearly any age, any car before college was overkill and getting more than five dollars a week for my school meals was overkill. For many that's an asshole father. Its all subjective, and whether or not you agree or realize it, your definition of overkill is obviously different than many many others. I agree with you that I will not give my children unearned gifts or posessions, but if they earn it (and I don't mean that in a monetary sense) they will get what I can give them.

But besides that, again I go back to the same. Are you sure she didn't earn this car? Maybe this girl has helped legless midgets in Uganda for the last four summers and she boasts a 4.0 GPA in her highschool. Probably not, but obviously for some merit to her father, he thought she had earned the car and surely he bought it for her. If she was some greedy little girl that made voodoo dolls of her teachers and torchered animals as a hobby I don't think her parents would have given her such a gift. Again, this is obviously extreme cases and stupid examples, but in her fathers eyes she earned the car and therefore, uncontestably to you, she DID earn the car. And whether or not you or I would do the same with our children has nothing to do with it.

I just don't think that it's nice to judge this girl by her car when you don't know her at all, and to insult her father for such a kind gesture when you have no idea what went through his mind when giving it to her.

But... it is just my opinion and I sincerely mean nothing, I just thought you guys were ganging up on her and calling her spoiled when you don't even know her.
 
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waskillywabbit said:
I'll judge them all I want as it ain't no skin off my teeth. I got friends who growing up their parents could have bought them any car they wanted, paid the insurance, bought all the gas, but they didn't, my parents included. They made my friends pay for their own car, own insurance, gas, etc. It's about learning to be mature and responsible. The point is that it has nothing to do with her parents and what they can afford and how well they are providing for her. It has everything to do with teaching her about how the real world works. I still think it's moronic :soapbox:

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Well, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one... :violin:
 
What he said

:iagree: with 94yota. No one can make judgements about vanity's character or family from what was written in this thread. All we can say is that she sure is lucky to have a brand new 4Runner. I am sure she appreciates it, as well. You find me a 16 year old that doesn't appreciate having a new car and I will call :bs: . Appreciation doesn't always translate into caring for the car or acting responsible, but again, at this point none of us can say either about Vanity since she just got the truck about a week ago.

Vanity - congrats! Have fun, mod it up, change the appearance, put pink fuzzy dice on the mirror, whatever. Remember in the end it is now your truck to do with as you want.

Hope this all hasn't scared you off the forum.

Patrick
stepping off my :soapbox:
 
fit_of_vanity said:
Hmm...
LoL. I'm still here. I just didn't want to respond to what he said. :)
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For someone who's only 16 I think your last post shows you're more mature than several of the folks who responded in this thread :D Enjoy your new truck :)
 
GatorGreg said:
For someone who's only 16 I think your last post shows you're more mature than several of the folks who responded in this thread :D Enjoy your new truck :)
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:iagree:
 
My first car was an eight year old wrecked 74 Honda Civic that we rebuilt the engine on in our garage... four years later I was able to buy my first NEW car: an 87 Hyundai Excel -- what a gem that POS was. But it was new and it was reliable for the two short years I kept it. I went and got personalized plates for it that read <B>LOBUJT</B> which usually puzzled folks until they got the joke -- then I'd see them laughing in the rear view mirror. (low budget) For the 4Runner I was thinking maybe : LXSWNAB, but that may be more fitting for the KIA Sorrento, which looks like the RX300... (Lexus wannabe)
 
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My first car, at 16, was a 20 year old Ford country squire wagon, and no, it didn't run but I got to take it apart and figure out why.

While it's great to see happy 16 year olds driving around 5500 lbs of steal on the roads merrily chatting away on their cell phones the stats of these youthful drivers involved in fatal collisions is much more disconcerting and shows up in our insurance rates in a big way. (IMHO DL’s should not be issued to anyone under 18 but I used to work for State Farm insurance so my opinion is skewed by reality)

My wife teaches in an affluent high school with a parking lot full of brand new dented land cruisers and hummers which, to me, says a lot more about the parents then the kids. Though my father was wealthy he believed that to appreciate something you need to earn it, literally.

My only concern about the start of this thread was "It's not the Limited or Sport one (none available or I would have chose it!). " which already shows an unhealthy greed for someone who is already getting a brand new 1st car. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth!!!

Anyway, try to drive carefully, take the side streets, keep off the highways, leave your cell phone alone and never let your friends use your new car to show off what a 4runner can do. We working class stiffs would really appreciate not having to steer around a pile of brand new Toyota wreckage.

Much appreciated
 
really, i think the whole money thing shouldn't matter ... as long as you appreciate what you have and those who have helped you along the way.

it doesn't matter whether you got the sr5, sport, or limited -- they all drive pretty much the same (save for the xreas!) ... and if you're worried about appearances, you can always add or remove badges.

as for me, when i got my first car, my dad and i drove all sorts of cars and trucks, and he bought me a sweet little car which i was soooo lucky to get, and afterwards, i ended up working at his office with him and earned enough money doing so that i was able to pay him back. to be honest, anything anyone gets me is humbling to me, and he could've gotten me a pedal car for my first and i'd have been grateful.

the best way to show someone your appreciation is to take care of what they've helped you get. it's a nice sign that you are asking questions about good detailing products for your new 4runner, because that shows that you really want to learn how to take care of it. i think that is great!! :)
 
Congratulations on your new vehicle! You should feel incredibly fortunate to have parents who are capeable of doing such a generous thing for you.

Despite your youth, here's to hoping you've got the good sense to understand why those people who've had to put in years of hard work before even considering such an extravegant purchase are a little bit miffed when a 16 year old girl is simply "given" the thing for her birthday. It's a natural reaction... I don't blame them at all.
 
If what you looked at were just the RX-8 and the 4Runner, you absolutely made the right choice IMHO. Congratulations!
 
I think you people should stop critizing the kid and let her enjoy the forum and the vehicle. When I was 18 my Dad bought me a dark red 1997 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab Flareside, and I loved it. One of the reasons he bought (besides wanting to give his son a sweet ride) it was that it was a very safe vehicle like the 4runner is. He also told me that if I didn't keep my grades up he would take it away.

Guess what though, now i'm 25 and i'm a pilot in the Air Force and I bought 4runner. I saved up for it and paid for it. My point is people come on here b/c they love there ride and not to get lectured b/c they are a few years younger than everyone else.

fit_of_vanity- enjoy your new ride!!:awais:
 
TechWrench said:
This could get 'ugly', I got you beat by 10 (over 50). And my first car was a 1963 OLDS F-85 convertible. Never got it 'on-the-road',
it caught fire and burned the engine up in my back yard. Wound up junking it. First actual 'driver', '59 T-Bird coupe.
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Age before beauty! :p

We'll have to keep these young'uns in line.

I wish my parents were generous enough to have given me a brand new car at 16. I think the problem people have with this is the stereotype of the kid who gets everything and appreciates none of it.

Congratulations on your new car!
 
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