IM BACK! Bought another 3rd gen, this time with a locker!

ar1five

ar1five

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Hello all,

Sold my 02 sport about a year ago and regretted everyday of it. I found a decent 98 limited with a factory locker (180k). It has the typical valve cover gasket leaks, broken antenna, cracked driver seat, and so forth(interior is right nasty). Anyway, I think I got a good deal on it but time will tell. There are a couple things I noticed right off the bat and have searched for with min. results:

1. Clicking noise under driver side dash(close to column)- Comes and goes, speed doesn't matter, not a clock spring, sounds more like a relay. I just cant pinpoint it. Hazards, Turnsignals, and wipers work as they should.

2. When engaged in 4wheel drive (awd-button clicked) in my 02 I could make sharp turns and it would not skid or feel "heavy". The 98 I just bought skids at half turn without the locker being engaged. I vaguely remember that this is normal, as my sister had a 98 as well.

3. The person that owned it previously hasn't engaged the 4wheel drive in 8 years. It clicked right into 4wheel drive and made a slight pop/jerk coming out(my 02 did that too just not as bad). Thinking about taking it to a shop and having them grease/lube everything they can.

If I keep it, I plan on upgrading to 35sssssss.
 
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Found an answer to one of them!

"It is supposed to bind in corners when you are on dry ground and in 4wd, only time it shouldnt is if you have an unlocked center diff, which only the 99-00 limited have, or all 01-02's. "
 
There should be little to no binding in 4HI on dry ground. Sounds like your center diff lock is engaged when its not supposed to be.
 
Dude .... WTF.

Don't engage 4WD on pavement. It says not to do it right there in the manual. Your transfer case, your money but it will break if you keep doing that.

Btw the 98 has either 2WD or 4WD. The 01 had AWD or 4WD.
 
"It is supposed to bind in corners when you are on dry ground and in 4wd, only time it shouldnt is if you have an unlocked center diff, which only the 99-00 limited have, or all 01-02's. "
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No. The correct answer is ....

1) don't engage on pavement, ever.

2) your front diff and transfer case will be damaged, costing you thousands of dollars.

3) read the owners manual. There are on a few pages that cover when to engage 4WD.


Read this ----> http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/axle-wind-up.html


:)
 

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BrianSD_42 said:
Dude .... WTF.

Don't engage 4WD on pavement. It says not to do it right there in the manual. Your transfer case, your money but it will break if you keep doing that.

Btw the 98 has either 2WD or 4WD. The 01 had AWD or 4WD.
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I agree. You're going to get a whole lot of noise and tire spin from turning on dry asphalt, as well as putting added stress on components that are supposed to move freely. Find a dirt parking lot and test it there.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
No. The correct answer is ....

1) don't engage on pavement, ever.

2) your front diff and transfer case will be damaged, costing you thousands of dollars.

3) read the owners manual. There are on a few pages that cover when to engage 4WD.


Read this ----> http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/axle-wind-up.html


:)
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I know I am not supposed to engage 4wheel drive on dry pavement. I was just wondering what the difference was. If I did not have the diff locked and just pushed the 4wheel(awd), should it still skid and feel "heavy" when turning???
 
I keep my multi-mode 4wd on hi-4 all the time - daily driving.

This is from the manual for a 2000 w/ multi-mode:

"“H4” mode (high speed position, fourwheel
drive, center differential unlocked):
Lever at “H2·H4”, “4WD” button
pushed in
Use this for normal driving on all types of
roads, from dry hard- surfaced roads to
wet, icy or snow- covered roads. This
position provides greater traction than
two- wheel drive."


It goes on to say :

"Do not drive on a dry paved surface
in “H4L” or “L4L” mode. This may
damage the locking mechanism and
the drive system."

so the difference being that the center diff is locked in H4L and L4L
 
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audiness said:
I keep my multi-mode 4wd on hi-4 all the time - daily driving.

This is from the manual for a 2000 w/ multi-mode:

"“H4” mode (high speed position, fourwheel
drive, center differential unlocked):
Lever at “H2·H4”, “4WD” button
pushed in
Use this for normal driving on all types of
roads, from dry hard- surfaced roads to
wet, icy or snow- covered roads. This
position provides greater traction than
two- wheel drive."


It goes on to say :

"Do not drive on a dry paved surface
in “H4L” or “L4L” mode. This may
damage the locking mechanism and
the drive system."

so the difference being that the center diff is locked in H4L and L4L
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Would this be the same for the 98?
 
One thing I forgot to mention (was is a hurry) is WELCOME BACK !!!!! :roll: Check out the threads below.


1998 Owners Manual PDF
http://panavi.kz/4runner/185/toyota_4runner_owners_manual_1998.pdf



T-case Differences (all years of 3rd gens).. transfer case, AWD, multi-mode
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...rs-3rd-gens-transfer-case-awd-multi-mode.html



3rd Gen FAQ, Tutorials, & Documentation Reference
You would probably find this thread very useful --> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/69744-3rd-gen-faq-tutorials-documentation-reference.html


:humble:
 
This is from the manual for a 2000 w/ multi-mode:

"“H4” mode (high speed position, fourwheel
drive, center differential unlocked):
Lever at “H2·H4”, “4WD” button
pushed in
Use this for normal driving on all types of
roads
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Yes. What the manual calls H4 is known as All-Wheel-Drive on other vehicles. The center diff or transfer case is unlocked.

Check out the link I mentioned about about 4WD types Transfer Case across the years. That is the everything you need to know thread.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
One thing I forgot to mention (was is a hurry) is WELCOME BACK !!!!! :roll: Check out the threads below.


1998 Owners Manual PDF
http://panavi.kz/4runner/185/toyota_4runner_owners_manual_1998.pdf



T-case Differences (all years of 3rd gens).. transfer case, AWD, multi-mode
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...rs-3rd-gens-transfer-case-awd-multi-mode.html



3rd Gen FAQ, Tutorials, & Documentation Reference
You would probably find this thread very useful --> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/69744-3rd-gen-faq-tutorials-documentation-reference.html


:humble:
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Thanks man! I will catch up on some reading this evening
 
BrianSD_42 said:
Yes. What the manual calls H4 is known as All-Wheel-Drive on other vehicles. The center diff or transfer case is unlocked.

Check out the link I mentioned about about 4WD types Transfer Case across the years. That is the everything you need to know thread.
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I see what you're saying. AWD vs 4WD....
 
MTD said:
He has an 02 so he may be talking about the AWD function on the multi mode, then he can engage on dry pavement.
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I'm pretty sure the 02 was FULL time AWD (for 02 known as 2HI), then when you engage into 4HI then it is in 4WD (never use on pavement) hence the binding and possible drivetrain damage.


4HI Center Diff Locked... a.k.a. Standard 4HI: To be used when 2HI or AWD don't provide enough traction and more is needed. It should also only be used when there is sufficient slip - snow/ice, dirt/mud, loose gravel/sand, standing water, etc..

On models with the standard t-case (J-shifter), shifting into 4HI can be done on-the-fly safely up to 30 mph on some 3rd gen models and up to 50 mph on other models (refer to the card in your sun visor for your particular speed recommandations).

You should not exceed 50 mph while driving in 4HI in any model with the standard t-case (J-shifter). On the later model 3rd gens ('99+ Limiteds and all '01s and '02s), you can shift into this mode and stay in 4HI (locked) up to 63 mph
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BrianSD_42 said:
I'm pretty sure the 02 was FULL time AWD (for 02 known as 2HI), then when you engage into 4HI then it is in 4WD (never use on pavement) hence the binding and possible drivetrain damage.
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Nope 2HI is just the rear and there is a button for 4wd on the side of the t case shifter, and then you can lock/ unlock the center diff for use on and offroad by hitting a button on the left side of the steering wheel.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...rs-3rd-gens-transfer-case-awd-multi-mode.html
 
You're right that "4HI Center Diff Unlocked... a.k.a. AWD or Multi-mode" is not the same as 4WD and should not bind.

When the OP said he was in 4WD I assume he means his 98 is in 4WD (aka 4HI Locked on newer models)

* On the 02 model when it is in "4HI" he is basically in AWD.
* On the 98 model anytime it is in 4WD it should not be on dry pavement.

The fact that he described the binding and skidding on his 98 means that he was in 4WD (aka 4HI LOCKED for the 01-02). :artist2:
 
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He HAD an 02 which in 4Hi center unlocked can drive on pavement.

He HAS a 98 which in 4Hi the center is always locked (because you can't unlock it like later models).

4Hi unlocked = pavement driveable
4Hi locked = pavement binding

He shouldn't drive on pavement in 4Hi ever with his current 4Runner. Same applies for 4Lo.
 
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