Im confused, how come they didnt change the oil?

[Enzo4370]

The way i see it. if they have posted a placard/sticker saying that they were going to do it at 5k miles then they need to adhere to what they say. Cant just say oh someone put the wrong sticker. I would keep them to there word. Im not justifying that you do it at 1k or 5k or 10k. but those are my thoughts on that.

That being said, the dealer wrote told me to bring it in at 5k and they would do oil and at 10k they would do oil and tire rotation plus other items etc ect.

 

[NoDak]

old standard for conventional oil was 3k oil change.

new standard for conventional oil is 5k oil change

since a lot of Toyota vehicles prior to 2014 are conventional oil, the party line is 5k oil changes.

very few 2014 and 2015 are syn oil so I can see the confusion when you deal with all years of Toyota from this person's perspective.

and remember, you only have to remember your vehicle, this person has to remember 100's of vehicles and the common thread is 90% of them are 5k oil changes on conventional oil.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

old standard for conventional oil was 3k oil change.

new standard for conventional oil is 5k oil change

since a lot of Toyota vehicles prior to 2014 are conventional oil, the party line is 5k oil changes.

very few 2014 and 2015 are syn oil so I can see the confusion when you deal with all years of Toyota from this person's perspective.

and remember, you only have to remember your vehicle, this person has to remember 100's of vehicles and the common thread is 90% of them are 5k oil changes on conventional oil.

Most every Toyota after about 2010 runs 0w-20 synthetic oil. The only real hold out is the Tacoma and one or two engines that have a weird service interval like the FRS.

 

[kboxvegas]

I average about 5,000 per year, per car. I change at 5,000 since Vegas does not really have a lot of moisture so the season changes do not really play a big role. I used Blackstone's analysis for a couple years to verify since I make lots of short trips. None ever got out of whack so I am sticking with it. YMMV

 

[NoDak]

yeah I cant follow the 10k or even 5k oil changes on the wardens Tacoma. I usually go about 3k every oil change which puts it about every 6 months.

just broke 18k on her 2012 Tacoma that we bought in june-2012. it would have about 2-3k less if we didn't have to pull a uhaul for the daughter sending her to college, her having anxiety issues being away the week before school starts and 1 week after school starts, hauling it all back.

1-way was 550 miles. did that 3 times in the Tacoma and 2 times in the legacy.

and yes I charged her for all that in the end for dropping out.

 

[xDROPOUTx]

Oil change at 10k. Read your manual man.
To the poster who thinks you are breaking in your engine at 1K miles: Your brand new engine was ran and tested at the plant, drained and then refilled before it ever got shipped. Spend the money but you are doing nothing for the engine. If you say you're doing it for piece of mind then why don't you change it every 500 miles so you will REALLY feel good about yourself? Or every 250 miles? If you're gonna not pay attention to the guys who designed it anyway then go big or go home. Jeez.

I feel great about myself, thanks :wave:! I could understand a response like the above if I was directly making a recommendation that would harm his vehicle/engine, however, I was actually recommending the complete opposite. I apologize it wasn't the answer that you found to be correct. I see you have thousands of posts and feel entitled to being a bully, but really ~ this post was unnecessary. Everyone's experiences & expectations are different. Everyone's maintenance knowledge and level is different.

I was sharing my experiences. Every new car I have owned has had quite a few metal specs in the oil & filter after 1000-1500 miles. I'd rather get all that crap out and freshen things up a bit than leave them.. Will this lengthen the life of the engine, who knows ~ all I know is that it has worked for me and my vehicles. Will changing your oil sooner rather later harm your engine at all? Likely not, atleast with today's engines. But if you are like me, and enjoy trying to learn everything you can about the vehicle you just spent $40k on, do what I do, and send your oil in for diagnostic testing. If you are in to engine diagnostics like I am, you can send your oil in on your brand new ride at that point and see exactly where everything stands.

I send engine oil in at the first oil change, then every 25,000 miles or so after that. I send transmission oil in at 50,000 miles increments. If you'd like to read up more on this subject, see below:

Blackstone Labs

What is Oil Analysis

Lastly ~ its not a matter of doing nothing for my engine. Its a mater of being proactive. Toyota (and every vehicle manufacturer for that matter) are now manufacturing "idiot proof" engines that could very likely run 20-30-40k miles without an oil change. Is that optimal? A diagnostic test will to you. I prefer to stay alert & proactive and take care of things as a responsible vehicle owner.

Your opinions will likely be completely different, but that's the purpose of this forum and forums like it.

I decided to step out from behind the iron lurking curtain and post a response ... Perhaps I should have stayed behind that curtain with a welcome like the above post. Thank you for making me feel very welcome 1engineer

:bolt:

 

[1engineer]

I feel great about myself, thanks :wave:! I could understand a response like the above if I was directly making a recommendation that would harm his vehicle/engine, however, I was actually recommending the complete opposite. I apologize it wasn't the answer that you found to be correct. I see you have thousands of posts and feel entitled to being a bully, but really ~ this post was unnecessary. Everyone's experiences & expectations are different. Everyone's maintenance knowledge and level is different.

I was sharing my experiences. Every new car I have owned has had quite a few metal specs in the oil & filter after 1000-1500 miles. I'd rather get all that crap out and freshen things up a bit than leave them.. Will this lengthen the life of the engine, who knows ~ all I know is that it has worked for me and my vehicles. Will changing your oil sooner rather later harm your engine at all? Likely not, atleast with today's engines. But if you are like me, and enjoy trying to learn everything you can about the vehicle you just spent $40k on, do what I do, and send your oil in for diagnostic testing. If you are in to engine diagnostics like I am, you can send your oil in on your brand new ride at that point and see exactly where everything stands.

I send engine oil in at the first oil change, then every 25,000 miles or so after that. I send transmission oil in at 50,000 miles increments. If you'd like to read up more on this subject, see below:

Blackstone Labs

What is Oil Analysis

Lastly ~ its not a matter of doing nothing for my engine. Its a mater of being proactive. Toyota (and every vehicle manufacturer for that matter) are now manufacturing "idiot proof" engines that could very likely run 20-30-40k miles without an oil change. Is that optimal? A diagnostic test will to you. I prefer to stay alert & proactive and take care of things as a responsible vehicle owner.

Your opinions will likely be completely different, but that's the purpose of this forum and forums like it.

I decided to step out from behind the iron lurking curtain and post a response ... Perhaps I should have stayed behind that curtain with a welcome like the above post. Thank you for making me feel very welcome 1engineer

:bolt:

I have no issues with you changing your oil whenever you want. It's your vehicle. It puzzles me though on why people like yourself, admittedly a person who cares and wants to know more about their vehicle, blatantly disregard the OEM engineers specifications and recommendations for maintenance intervals? Do you know more than those guys?

I'm sorry if you feel miffed that I did not welcome you as I did not know it was my job here. As far as me being a bully? Read a few of those posts you referenced and tell me how answering questions and explaining concepts is being a bully.

 

[xDROPOUTx]

I have no issues with you changing your oil whenever you want. It's your vehicle. It puzzles me though on why people like yourself, admittedly a person who cares and wants to know more about their vehicle, blatantly disregard the OEM engineers specifications and recommendations for maintenance intervals? Do you know more than those guys?

I'm sorry if you feel miffed that I did not welcome you as I did not know it was my job here. As far as me being a bully? Read a few of those posts you referenced and tell me how answering questions and explaining concepts is being a bully.

It has everything to do with experience on past and present vehicles. Again, we'll circle jerk back to the fact that these engines are "idiot proof" and specifically so because we live in an incredibly lazy society. Maintenance is not America's strong suit ...

Is "idiot proof" optimal? Is changing your oil via the manufacturer specs optimal? What is optimal? It could be at 9,200 miles, it could be at 7,400 miles, it could be at 12,000 miles. Each and every engine will likely be different. This is what having an engine oil analysis does for your specific .

Toyota engineer's try to put everyone and everyone's vehicle in the same box. I don't blame them ~ they have to due to a multitude of reasons. However, everyone's driving styles, driving habits, environments, and driving condition's are different. Why will some blocks throw a rod at 80k miles, and others have 300k miles on the same spec for spec engine without issue? Its because of the above ... Not everyone fits the mold.

What might be optimal to the engineer's at Toyota, might not be optimal for your specific vehicle, or my specific vehicle.

After probably 20 or so diagnostics on everything from NA V8's, to FI Inline 6's, and everything in between, I will stick with my recommendation's based on the results I have gotten back.

If you'd like, I'd be happy to start posting the diagnostic tests I have done. I'll run the next one at 5k miles. I'd even be open to comparing the breakdown of said same oil at 5k vs 10k mile intervals.

 

[1engineer]

It has everything to do with experience on past and present vehicles. Again, we'll circle jerk back to the fact that these engines are "idiot proof" and specifically so because we live in an incredibly lazy society. Maintenance is not America's strong suit ...

Is "idiot proof" optimal? Is changing your oil via the manufacturer specs optimal? What is optimal? It could be at 9,200 miles, it could be at 7,400 miles, it could be at 12,000 miles. Each and every engine will likely be different. This is what having an engine oil analysis does for your specific .

Toyota engineer's try to put everyone and everyone's vehicle in the same box. I don't blame them ~ they have to due to a multitude of reasons. However, everyone's driving styles, driving habits, environments, and driving condition's are different. Why will some blocks throw a rod at 80k miles, and others have 300k miles on the same spec for spec engine without issue? Its because of the above ... Not everyone fits the mold.

What might be optimal to the engineer's at Toyota, might not be optimal for your specific vehicle, or my specific vehicle.

After probably 20 or so diagnostics on everything from NA V8's, to FI Inline 6's, and everything in between, I will stick with my recommendation's based on the results I have gotten back.

If you'd like, I'd be happy to start posting the diagnostic tests I have done. I'll run the next one at 5k miles. I'd even be open to comparing the breakdown of said same oil at 5k vs 10k mile intervals.

It's been done already here. Several times in fact. If you are racing your 4runner in the Baja or if you constantly tow a 5K trailer then you need to follow a different schedule like the severe service one located in the manual. For everyday driving? No way. I dare say that for normal driving this fluid would be good for 20K with a filter change at 10K. But even though I am an engineer that designs high pressure hydraulic systems for a living I still defer to the guys who designed this engine. You obviously know better.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

My kid is a heavy equipment mechanic on mining trucks that have 80 gallons oil in the motor and 350 gallons in the differentials.

Let those numbers soak in for a bit.

"Honey, I have to change the oil in the truck. Can I borrow your Visa? It will only be about $3200".

They do that every 500 hours.

 

[wanderMT]

On every new vehicle I've owned, shiny metallic sheen is evident in oil when I've dumped it at about 1k miles. Sheen greatly reduced on 2nd oil/filter change. After initial couple changes, also believe it is fine to go 10k with new premium oils when driven easy in relatively clean environment.