iPhone 5 - Who's in?
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Thai
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Lets review!
A phone with a POS operating system that most won’t even update to, for FREE!
I know that this may surprise you...BUT YOU ARE WRONG.
see: Despite map flap, most iPhone users have downloaded iOS 6 - latimes.com
Really, you want to talk about fragmentation?!! THAT is not a strong point of Android. So, i suggest that you keep your mouth shut on this one! I have the latest OS...DO YOU??
"Overall, this data points to Apple doing an outstanding job of keeping their user base up-to-date with the latest OS," said Chitika Insights, who did the research. "By comparison, Google's latest data shows only 22 per cent of its users being on its two most recent versions of Android. [Note: this means that ONLY 22% of Android users are either on the old ICS or new JB...THAT is horrid!!]
"Apple's performance in this area is a great selling point for mobile advertisers, as well as website and application developers, who can all confidently optimize their mobile properties to take advantage of the latest iOS capabilities without fear of shutting out a large portion of the user base," the report concludes."
A phone with a POS Maps program
Agreed. But, then again, Apple has plenty of cash to fix this problem quickly.
A phone with a POS camera that has problems when a light is in the picture.
YET, this iPhone has beated GS3 in almost all camera comparos. Strange, isn't it?! As for the "flare", you have to be an idiot to keep on shooting pictures facing the sun!! Again, this flare problem applies to all cameras. See PROFESSIONAL OPINION ABOVE.
see: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/1183586-post491.html
A phone that has poor build quality - scratches easily and light leaks out of the display.
It is called ANODIZED ALUMINUM. You are truly blinded if you think that GS3 has better build quality! Drop test sure shows the fragility of the GS3!!!
Want to see what GS3 was like when it came out? See: Samsung Galaxy S3 Quality Issues Roundup: Build Quality, Camera and Memory Bugs [VIDEOS] - IBTimes UK
Ouch!
A phone that most apps have to be redesigned for the new puny screen (wonder what that will cost).
Actually, it is fairly easy...as many apps now are both 4S and 5 compliant!
see: Developers On iPhone 5: Redesigning Apps Not Hard, But Also Not Trivial | TechCrunch
Let me ask you Koz...are all Android apps made ONLY for your 4.8" screen?? No. This is a major problem for Android because there are a zillion screen sizes that developers have to accomodate! Like the software "issue" you brought up above, you need to look in the mirror first! D'oh! Dumb horrible argument on your part! It shows your total lack of understanding!
A phone with a POS proprietary connector that will not even allow most old accessories to work (designed only for Apple). And the ones that will work need a proprietary adapter you have to buy (if you can find one).
Again, you're an idiot. Enough said. You refuse to understand the logic behind it. If you refuse to understand the logic and technology behind it, then all is lost in your mind because you're too blind.
That's OK, you can have your USB...hopefully the computer will eventually find the driver for it! I can insert my Apple cord into any computer and be able to pull up pictures from it INSTANTLY.
A phone that you have jailbreak (and void the warranty) to customize and have to redo with every update.
Rooting does not void warranty? Yes, it does. Unlocking the boatloader will for sure. Beware - if you do root (but not unlock) that you need to make sure you do not uninstall any stock apps or you will not be able to update to newer firmware OTA (you can disable them with ICS and not have to worry). Any OTA updates will most likely break root, but you can backup and restore root wit the OTA Rootkeeper.
A battery that if fails bricks the phone!
And how often does that occur with Li-ion?? Grabbing at straws, aren't you?! Strange how Moto RAZR, Windows phone, and other phones with strong battery life do NOT have removable battery. Weird, no? Coincidence?
A phone that if you run out of memory you need to buy a new one for double the cost!
See Google's explanation for deletion of microSD. YOUR own people are getting rid of them. Get with the news dude.
see: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/1168583-post62.html
syncing only – no drag & drop
Cloud service.
No - barometer
And yet, it is SAMSUNG that has GPS issues!! Shocking!
No - wireless charging
Do you have the pad for it?? Take a picture of it with KOZ name on a piece of paper. Or is this like your Jellybean dream? And is it really that hard to plug in your phone? Damn, so much work.
No – Adobe flash (Snowflake’s favorite)
DEAD TECHNOLOGY. Show me your proof of FLASH and stock JB. Oh wait, you can't because YOU DON'T HAVE JB!!! Hahaha...loser!
No – browser choices
There are plenty of browsers on iOS...but unfortunately, Safari is the best...by far in terms of smoothness and speed...something that Chrome has some catching up to do on smartphones!! It is just embarrassing when iPhone 4S Safari runs faster than GS3!!
No - phone book integration
hahaha...see above notes by me in regard to moronic Contact organization on ICS and JB!! You are kidding, aren't you?! ICS/JB phone book are horrifically complex for no fukking reason!
No – HDMI/DLNA
Sure...good luck in using that. I rather use Airplay or BT for games. And sorry, most smartphone pictures don't deserve to be on a big screen!
No – microSD
Yeah, wait for it...wait for it...GOOGLE: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/1168583-post62.html
No – microUSB
Wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...your computer will eventually find that damn driver one of these days....
No – widgets
No thanks...had them...had to delete them to save battery.
No - NFC
Good luck in finding a use for that...ATT, TMo, and Verizon are doing their own thing due to security reasons.
see: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/1181344-post431.html
(Best for last) – NO BACK BUTTON!
Hint: a properly designed app or stock app don't need one. Only Android's stupidly overcomplex menu and submenu systems need one. THINK ABOUT IT Koz before responding. For example, on iOS Contacts, there is a BACK button on the screen. There is a BACK button when there is a need. Otherwise, iOS is very simple to use that you simply don't need one...just need one main button. Simplicity is beautiful, isn't it?? Despite "lack of BACK button," iOS is universally revered for its simplicity and ease of use.
Koz
My responses in BOLD. Thanks for your input Koz...but it is PURE FAIL.
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Thai
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Here is my previous post to Koz...you would think someone who spend so much time in a thread that he does not care about would have time to back up his statements...rather he admits to being a liar. :nono:
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This is an iPhone 5 thread. Why are you even commenting in here? Do you have one?
Hell, most of what you wrote is wrong and proves your lack of knowledge.
Prove everyone here that you're not a liar. Prove to everyone here that you are a man of your word. Prove that you're not a lying little punk. All i see is that you hide like a little boy when confronted with questions about your statements...and then take cheap shots. GROW A PAIR.
I have backed up everything that i type out. How about you showing the same courtesy to other members about what you write.
Ask Koz about how he feels about JD Powers!! It is hilarious!!
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This is an iPhone 5 thread. Why are you even commenting in here? Do you have one?
Hell, most of what you wrote is wrong and proves your lack of knowledge.
Prove everyone here that you're not a liar. Prove to everyone here that you are a man of your word. Prove that you're not a lying little punk. All i see is that you hide like a little boy when confronted with questions about your statements...and then take cheap shots. GROW A PAIR.
Classic Koz in denial!
Remind me, how do you know that JB enhances battery life on your phone?? Do you have proof???????
So, JB straight from Google and Samsung will support FLASH? So, after updating your phone in the future to JB, you will be able to play FLASH materials on the OEM ROM? Show me.
How can you say fact when it has not happen yet?! Weird!
Show me where JB fixes screen saturation!
For Koz, jellybean is this great pie in the sky...see how he no longer claims superior CPU/GPU performance even with JB!!
Where is the meat, Koz?????????? Show everyone here that you are not full of crap. Simple request.
I have backed up everything that i type out. How about you showing the same courtesy to other members about what you write.
Ask Koz about how he feels about JD Powers!! It is hilarious!!
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Thai
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He's right...Android is about as reliable as a Heep!
Hint: Apple iPhone 4 is the cheap free model on most carriers. Where have you been? Which rock is it? iPhone 4S is the mid-grade. IMO, this will be a winning combination.
Don't fret, despite its age, iPhone 4 is still worth more used than your GS3...in Sprint's eyes.
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Thai
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Which Android forum are you on?
EDIT: hang in there Koz...one day, you will finally be on Jellybean...it has been an agonizing 3+ months wait i am sure: http://phandroid.com/2012/10/04/samsung-updates-us-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-timeline-says-coming-soon/
In all this, you make it seem like you know Jellybean...yet, it is ME that knows it more than you because i actually have used it on my phone. You have not even used it on your phone. Still think that Jellybean will magically make your phone faster than iPhone 5??
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Thai
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Koz, Samsung was not the first to use Gorilla Glass...do your research man!!
Courtesy of JD: One of the Best Steve Jobs Stories -- Gorilla Glass | Boardwalk Capital
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rebelbowtie
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Thai don't mean to interrupt your love fest with the Android folks but my lifeproof 4S case is here. I will be reviewing it in approximately 1 hour after I complete the manufacture recommended water test.
For now I am enjoying the unmolested Retina screen for the first time in my phones ownership. It's crazy how much the Otterbox Defender muddied up the screens clarity.
Fwiw as much as I despise the iPhone 4/4S Defender case it did its job. After about a year of ownership my phone is immaculate and free of any scratched or smudges on either glass.
For now I am enjoying the unmolested Retina screen for the first time in my phones ownership. It's crazy how much the Otterbox Defender muddied up the screens clarity.
Fwiw as much as I despise the iPhone 4/4S Defender case it did its job. After about a year of ownership my phone is immaculate and free of any scratched or smudges on either glass.
Thai
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PLEASE give me feedback on volume and camera quality with the Lifeproof!!!!!!
Unfortunately, the screen protector for the Defender 4S case suck to no end. It is the non-reflective, highly grainy protector. For the Defender 5 case, Otterbox made it clear...BUT, now, there is watermark effect (rainbow effect). So, again, i poke out the protector and install Zagg HD on my iPhone 5 (as i did with 4S)...so, now i have Zagg HD protecting the screen and the rest of the Otterbox protecting my phone.
rebelbowtie
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Well idk if I didn't press the phone far enough into the case but there is a little gap between the screen and case that makes typing a lot more difficult for me. It has slowed my typing down tremendous amount and will take some time getting used too.
I forgot to take a picture with the phone naked but it doesn't appear to effect picture quality. I will have to report back in a few days after use for call clarity and such not.
I forgot to take a picture with the phone naked but it doesn't appear to effect picture quality. I will have to report back in a few days after use for call clarity and such not.
rebelbowtie
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But the screen protector is so clear it's almost like I don't have a case at all.
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After receiving a few text I can say the speaker appears to be quite muffled. It's a trade off I guess for water tight integrity. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that, but it's something I think I can live with.
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After receiving a few text I can say the speaker appears to be quite muffled. It's a trade off I guess for water tight integrity. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that, but it's something I think I can live with.
rebelbowtie
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I'm not sure if that actually works. The back of the case vibrates when I play music. I guess that's the subwoofer effect idk, but to me it seems a bit quieter.
Thai
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Nokia 920 camera vs. others: From the lab: Lumia 920 low-light shootout with Nokia 808, iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III -- Engadget
Pretty impressive this 920! Nice camera for a phone...class-leading with iPhone 5 second? Unfortunately, Nokia ecosystem is still very much in infancy...and may not make it to puberty if 920 does not become a success. And that will be quite difficult giving that Apple and Android are so much ahead. In addition, for Android users, Window's platform is even stricter than Apple's...it won't let you do much of anything (at least on the old Windows 7 software).
The other problem is that Windows have shown that they will abandon old phones at a drop of a hat! All Windows phone (not named Nokia 920) will not get the new Window 8 update. Instead, they will get an updated version of Windows 7 (7.8 to be exact). Nokia 920 will be the first to get Windows 8, which is supposedly quite nice. The problem is that Microsoft has started from scratch with Windows 8 (nothing from prior is compatible)...thus, everything will start from ground zero, including apps. This means that you will have to wait a long time before Windows apps will get to the level of Apple/Android...if ever.
Although Windows software tend to be optimized for the hardware (like what Apple does), Nokia 920 hardware is very tame, except for camera. It has not been released yet...but when it does, it will only have a dual core Snapdragon S4 processor and 1 GB RAM. Dual core S4 is decent, but is old news. That processor is easily surpassed these days by either the Apple A6 or Exynos (from Samsung) or S4 PRO (from Qualcomm). The latter two are the latest quad-core processors. And given Window platform's tendency in the past to stick to one configuration of processor and screen size, this means that it will be a long time before S4 will be upgraded. Six months from now, no one will still use the dual core S4...only Nokia.
As Koz et al has shown, specs on paper is all that matters to some. So, Nokia will lose these folks to Android. Apple has a huge ecosystem and has a huge following...and given iPhone 5 latest performance and benchmarks, Nokia phone is not strong enough to beat it. So, no go there. What is left? Some folks will want to be different. Some folks will be pushed to it by AT&T rep. Some folks will want something reliable & easy to use (thus no Android), but hate Apple. Some folks don't mind the lack of apps and want an experience similar to their PC (with Windows 8). All of these folks won't be enough to bring the heat to Apple or Android IMO.
Pretty impressive this 920! Nice camera for a phone...class-leading with iPhone 5 second? Unfortunately, Nokia ecosystem is still very much in infancy...and may not make it to puberty if 920 does not become a success. And that will be quite difficult giving that Apple and Android are so much ahead. In addition, for Android users, Window's platform is even stricter than Apple's...it won't let you do much of anything (at least on the old Windows 7 software).
The other problem is that Windows have shown that they will abandon old phones at a drop of a hat! All Windows phone (not named Nokia 920) will not get the new Window 8 update. Instead, they will get an updated version of Windows 7 (7.8 to be exact). Nokia 920 will be the first to get Windows 8, which is supposedly quite nice. The problem is that Microsoft has started from scratch with Windows 8 (nothing from prior is compatible)...thus, everything will start from ground zero, including apps. This means that you will have to wait a long time before Windows apps will get to the level of Apple/Android...if ever.
Although Windows software tend to be optimized for the hardware (like what Apple does), Nokia 920 hardware is very tame, except for camera. It has not been released yet...but when it does, it will only have a dual core Snapdragon S4 processor and 1 GB RAM. Dual core S4 is decent, but is old news. That processor is easily surpassed these days by either the Apple A6 or Exynos (from Samsung) or S4 PRO (from Qualcomm). The latter two are the latest quad-core processors. And given Window platform's tendency in the past to stick to one configuration of processor and screen size, this means that it will be a long time before S4 will be upgraded. Six months from now, no one will still use the dual core S4...only Nokia.
As Koz et al has shown, specs on paper is all that matters to some. So, Nokia will lose these folks to Android. Apple has a huge ecosystem and has a huge following...and given iPhone 5 latest performance and benchmarks, Nokia phone is not strong enough to beat it. So, no go there. What is left? Some folks will want to be different. Some folks will be pushed to it by AT&T rep. Some folks will want something reliable & easy to use (thus no Android), but hate Apple. Some folks don't mind the lack of apps and want an experience similar to their PC (with Windows 8). All of these folks won't be enough to bring the heat to Apple or Android IMO.
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Thai
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Finally used the iOS maps for real. OMG, what an improvement from the google maps "navigation" that we had on iOS 5. Updates real time, easy to see, clear directions, quick rerouting. It did an excellent job.
I still use Poynt for POIs. The bummer about Poynt is that it hasn't updated to integrate with iOS maps. It still pushes the "directions" over to google maps via web.
I still use Poynt for POIs. The bummer about Poynt is that it hasn't updated to integrate with iOS maps. It still pushes the "directions" over to google maps via web.
Koz
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Thai - Did you read this post?
Talk about being spot on.
You really can't help yourself!
I'd like put the iphone aside for now and seriously talk about your problem. I finally realized why (in the past) you needed to delete my posts and threaten to ban me when my opinion contradicted yours. You are so obsessed with always having to be right (no matter how) that when you feel someone else is making a point, you will do ANYTHING, including keeping that opinion from even being said (when you had the power to do so)!
You can’t even see that I have been pushing your buttons, even after I told you. This is really sad and now that I understand why (having personal issues) you need to insult and personally attack people that have different opinions, I can no longer debate with you. It also makes sense now as to why you had to give up being the admin for the site. I want to apologize for pushing you into this state again and I promise not debate or reply to your posts until you get some help and you get your issues under control. This may seem like sarcasm but it really isn’t. I truly am looking forward to the day (if it happens) when we could have decent debate. Good Luck!
Koz
Dusty Driftwood
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That's why I bowed out of this thread a long time ago and updated my ignore list. All phones aside, I just started feeling sorry for his family, friends and co-workers. To have to deal with that everyday must be exhausting for them.
Thai
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Koz and Dusty...the irony is that you guys are still posting in this thread. It's funny that Koz suddenly stop debating with me when he gets owned by factual data! Hahaha. It's kinda cute that Fandroids stick together.
Koz, once again, has nothing to show. No matter the petty attacks, you still have nothing to show for your BS. Simple as that. His arguments always end up accusing me of deleting some crap. Show me when I did it. All your crying posts are still there!! Ask RonMaiden if I deleted your posts. Simple. Stop this BS accusation!
Strange, I have a beautiful family and a great career. Thanks for your concerns, but I am doing quite well.
Koz, once again, has nothing to show. No matter the petty attacks, you still have nothing to show for your BS. Simple as that. His arguments always end up accusing me of deleting some crap. Show me when I did it. All your crying posts are still there!! Ask RonMaiden if I deleted your posts. Simple. Stop this BS accusation!
Strange, I have a beautiful family and a great career. Thanks for your concerns, but I am doing quite well.
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ndcent
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It's like a really horrific car wreck that I can't turn away from.
On all sides there has been epic pot/kettle hypocrisy, hilarious and sad irony, OCD link ranting, Uniform Chromaticity Diagrams, a surprising lack of moderation, etc
I'm thinking we could release a made for tv movie at the very least, something for Lifetime perhaps...
iPhone 5: Who's in? Who's gonna die!
-JD-
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Some positive news for Apple Maps users:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...support-automatic-offline-use-for-a-wide-area
Vector maps in iOS 6 are so efficient that Apple can cache a very large surrounding area for offline browsing and GPS navigation when traveling outside of WiFi or mobile data coverage.
Apple's new Maps are a huge leap over iOS 5 maps in pure technology: the use of vector maps (mathematically described, resolution independent map information rather than static bitmapped pictures of map tiles) enables fast, sophisticated navigation of 2D and 3D views with fluid panning, rotation and perspective, in contrast to the flat, static map images provided by Apple's previous version of the app.
Using vectors also results in much less data use (an estimated 80 percent less), as your iPhone can download large areas of maps faster (eating up less of your data plan and battery).
The efficient outlines can also work offline far further after you lose your data connection. For example, while iOS 5 Maps would load Google's map tiles of the immediate area being browsed at a couple zoom levels for offline browsing (generally less than a 10 mile radius), Apple's new vector maps, once loaded in San Francisco, allowed us to browse an entire continent of high level maps (state outlines) while offline, north from Anchorage, Alaska to Lima, Peru and from Honolulu, Hawaii to Montréal, Canada.
At a highway level detail, we could actually navigate most of California, and on a simplified level, the western half of the United States. There were detailed street-level maps available of areas we'd never even looked at while online, as far away as Salt Lake City, Utah (about 740 miles or 1200 km east). Thanks to vectors, you can even view these offline maps in 3D perspective.
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If Google does port its Android maps to iOS, it will certainly also use vectors. However, Google's existing native app for Android doesn't currently offer the same kind of benefits Apple's new Maps has; when taken offline after loading maps around San Francisco, Google's native Android Maps could only zoom out enough to show the most basic state boundaries for part of the northwest U.S. (zooming out any further, we lost any coverage for California).
Rather than showing navigable road detail for most of California as Apple's Maps do, the latest Android Maps, despite vector support, could barely cover the 49 square miles (126 sq km) of San Francisco after losing connectivity.
Major highway routes degraded to a blocky mess within ten miles of our loaded location, and even city names disappeared after 40 miles (64 km). Highway 101 vanished into dead ends just 70 miles outside of San Francisco.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...support-automatic-offline-use-for-a-wide-area
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