JL Wrangler Frame Welds

JSparky

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Heard of this online so went to the dealer to check it out for myself. Sure enough there’s sections of the frame with porous welds. I’m no expert but seems hard to believe something like this would pass QC.
 

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I have been seeing threads about this on the JL forum too. I have been to the Jeep dealership near me investigating. Almost every JL Sahara and JL Rubicon I saw was covered with ugly welds.
 
I have ZERO knowledge on welding...but is this bad?? How is it bad??

Depending on how severe the porosity is, it can significantly effect the strength of the weld as well as effect ductility of the metal that it's joining together. It can be caused by a number of things but most commonly it's caused by air entering the weld or welding dirty or greasy metal. I'm a little surprised that they didn't catch the issue. I wouldn't be too concerned with the weld spatter, while messy looking, it doesn't affect weld strength but it could be an indication of dirty metal, or improper weld settings.

From a boiler NDT point of view, we would automatically reject any weld that looks anything like that.
 
Since I'm fairly certain these are welded by a robot, this is surprising.
Bad steel?

Or really bad weld settings.

I might weld a dozen or so times a year and my shit looks better than that.
 
Jerry the intern forgot to turn on the gas for the robot welder.

Can't even teach a robot how to weld, pathetic LOL.

Or maybe, even the robot welder forgot to turn the gas on. All welders are the same...
 
Jerry the intern forgot to turn on the gas for the robot welder.

Can't even teach a robot how to weld, pathetic LOL.

Or maybe, even the robot welder forgot to turn the gas on. All welders are the same...

I’m guessing those welds are coming out of Tower, a frame company in China.

And then Toyota wonders why we are pissed off about getting parts for our trucks sourced out of China.
 
I’m guessing those welds are coming out of Tower, a frame company in China.

And then Toyota wonders why we are pissed off about getting parts for our trucks sourced out of China.

Okay then, Chang the intern.

I'm having way too much fun with this...
 
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/bright-white-grille-turning-yellow.6394/

We bailed this car company out with our tax dollars and then we were convinced it’s a great idea to sell them to the Italians.

If this is how they launch and all new model, criminal investigations are warranted.

I was genuinely interested in buying one of these, but there is no way in hell I will give any money to FCA.

heck i was starting to look at the new Dodge Ram 1500 Limited with the 19 speaker HK stereo and the reclining rear bench...after above, cross that idea out of my head!
 
heck i was starting to look at the new Dodge Ram 1500 Limited with the 19 speaker HK stereo and the reclining rear bench...after above, cross that idea out of my head!

I wonder how those frame welds look? I would be very concerned if I bought a vehicle and the frame welds had porosity like that.
 
That's messed up. Pay all that money and 700 miles in you're dealing with that nonsense? QUALITY control seems to be more of the exception these days. And if anyone thinks things will get better: they won't. Greed is the root of all of this. Let's cut corners and mark up the price. I'm glad I have my 4Runner, flaws and all.
 

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